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Title: Concerning A False Prophet [Hagee's Rapture Cult Must Read]
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URL Source: http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jew ... #Book_VI,_Chapter_V,_Section_2
Published: May 22, 2008
Author: ?
Post Date: 2008-05-22 11:30:10 by AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt
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Views: 1176
Comments: 73

".....Book VI, Chapter V, Section 2 (Entire)

Concerning A False Prophet

2. And now the Romans, judging that it was in vain to spare what was round the holy house, burnt all those places, as also the remains of the cloisters and the gates, two excepted; the one on the east side, and the other on the south; both which, however, they burnt afterward (1). They also burnt down the treasury-chambers, in which was an immense quantity of money, and an immense number of garments, and other precious goods, there reposited; and, to speak all in a few words, there it was that the entire riches of the Jews were heaped up together, while the rich people had there built themselves chambers, [to contain such furniture.] The soldiers also came to the rest of the cloisters that were in the outer [court of the] temple, whither the women and children and a great mixed multitude of the people fled, in number about six thousand. But before Caesar had determined anything about these people, or given the commanders any orders relating to them, the soldiers were in such a rage, that they set the cloister of fire; by which means it came to pass that some of these were destroyed by throwing themselves down headlong, and some were burnt in the cloisters themselves. Nor did any one of these escape with his life.

A false prophet* (2) was the occasion of these people's destruction, who had made a public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them to get up upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous signs of their deliverance. Now, there was then a great number of false prophets suborned by the tyrants to impose upon the people, who denounced this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed up above fear and care by such hopes. Now, a man that is in adversity does easily comply with such promises; for when such a seducer makes him believe that he shall be delivered from those miseries which oppress him, then it is that the patient is full of hopes of such deliverance (3).

Whiston's Footnotes

1 Reland here justly takes notice that these Jews who had despised the true Prophet, were deservedly abused and deluded by the false ones.

PRETERIST PERSPECTIVES

1. Isaiah 1:7; 26:11; 33:12; 66:15; Jeremiah 5:14; 7:20; Matthew 3:11-12; 13:40, etc.

Matthew 24:4-5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many......."

EXCERPT:

VISUAL TIMELINE OF THE ROMAN-JEWISH WAR

TRACKING THE FIRST JEWISH REVOLT FROM AN THEOLOGICAL POINT OF VIEW

POV: Administrative | Factional | Military | Theological

INVESTIGATING CORRELATIONS BETWEEN JOSEPHUS' ACCOUNT AND THE FIRST CENTURY FULFILLMENT OF BIBLE PROPHECY

"And all this prophecy of what would result from their insolence against the Christ has been clearly proved to have taken place after their plot against our Saviour. For it was not before it, but afterwards from that day to this that God turned their feasts into mourning, despoiled them of their famous mother-city, and destroyed the holy Temple therein when Titus and Vespasian were Emperors of Rome, so that they could no longer go up to keep their feasts and sacred meetings. I need not say that a famine of hearing the Word of the Lord has overtaken them all, in return for their rejection of the Word of God; since with one voice they refused Him, so He refuses them." (AD 310s - Eusebius, Demonstratio Evangelica, X) Jesus Predicting Fall of Temple in Word

"Behold, Your House is Left to you Desolate"
Luke 13:35........"

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#1. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0) (Edited)

Whiston's Footnotes

1 Reland here justly takes notice that these Jews who had despised the true Prophet, were deservedly abused and deluded by the false ones.

[scratch "Jews", insert Christian Zionists]

Jhn 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Jhn 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/17/15.html

Rev 2:11 — He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/2/11.html

Mat 13:36 ¶ Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear......

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat013.html#41

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-22   11:33:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#1)

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

That is a mistranslation.

The word "world" should be "age" or "eon". G165 ±¹É½ aion ahee-ohn' From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.

Greek for "world" is kosmos. G2889 º¿ü¿Â kosmos kos'-mos Probably from the base of G2865; orderly arrangement, that is, decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally]): - adorning, world.

The mistranslation changes the meaning entirely.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-22   12:23:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: PSUSA (#2)

First off are you a christian or someone sowing doubt?

Don't you think that God has a perfect word on earth?

Third do you speak greek?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-22   12:26:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Old Friend (#3)

First off are you a christian or someone sowing doubt?

You wouldn't believe me if I told you.

Don't you think that God has a perfect word on earth?

The KJV isn't it.

Third do you speak greek?

I don't need to.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-22   12:30:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: PSUSA (#7)

You wouldn't believe me if I told you.

I would believe you.

If you are going to be telling us what greek means then you do need to know it. Otherwise you are just parroting something.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-22   12:31:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Old Friend (#8)

Look it up for yourself. It's not hard. It's just rather painful to acknowledge that the KJV Only idolators have lied to you for all these years.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-22   12:40:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: PSUSA (#17)

Look it up for yourself. It's not hard. It's just rather painful to acknowledge that the KJV Only idolators have lied to you for all these years.

I don't know that I am a KFV onlyer. But I definately see flaws in the NIV and NKJV. The Bishops Bible is probably accurate too as far as I have been able to tell.

You never answered the question of you are a christian. That way I know if you are someone trying to find the truth. Or someone just throwing up stumblingblocks.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-22   12:43:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Old Friend (#19)

I am a Christian, and I am not throwing up stumbling blocks.

it's not so much that the KJV is "bad". It's almost impossible to translate from 2 dead languages into 1 modern language. you can read the preface from the KJV translators here: http://www.kjv-only.com/1611pref.html and it backs me up.

Errors remain after who knows how many revisions. I just pointed out 1 error.

We can find these errors because we have tools that the KJV translators did not have.

Find these errors and inconsistencies and it all makes sense. If you value scripture, you'll do it. If you prefer to be spoonfed by the wolves that are fattening you up for the kill, then you won't.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-22   12:57:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: PSUSA (#20)

God said in his word that it would be translated into many languages. So I believe that God would preserve his word perfectly. I think he is powerful enough to do that. To not do that would be cruel and leave us with errors and doubt.

Do you think there is a version in english here on earth that is flawless. If so please share what you think it is.

Thanks.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-22   13:11:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Old Friend (#21)

So I believe that God would preserve his word perfectly. I think he is powerful enough to do that. To not do that would be cruel and leave us with errors and doubt.

OK then, which version is "perfect", and how can you prove it?

Answer that, and I will answer your question.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-22   13:31:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: PSUSA (#23)

I know of no flaws in the King James version.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-22   20:10:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Old Friend (#43) (Edited)

Exodus 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever.

Is he still a servant to this day? That is a rhetorical question.

But you answered my question, or rather 1/2 of it...

There is no perfect translation. There cannot be.

But lets say that the 1611 AV is perfect. WHat was perfect before that translation? Or are the people born and dead before that version SOL? Or did it take God 1611 years or so to get the job done right? And that does not include all of the revisions done since 1611.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-22   20:18:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: PSUSA (#44)

But lets say that the 1611 AV is perfect. WHat was perfect before that translation? Or are the people born and dead before that version SOL? Or did it take God 1611 years or so to get the job done right? And that does not include all of the revisions done since 1611.

Good points you make. I'm not sure where it is right now. But isn't there a verse about people doing naturally the things contained in the law, and that will be counted to them as righteousness?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-23   17:34:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Old Friend (#48)

Can people who have never heard of Jesus be saved?

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-23   19:02:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: James Deffenbach (#52)

The simple answer to the first question is, no. People who have never heard of Jesus cannot be saved according to John 14:6, where Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth, and the life -- no one can come to the Father except through Me."

I would submit that the way that the verse PSUSA mentioned would be through Jesus. He is still the "gatekeeper" . So he could let someone through who never heard of him. If they met the criteria which PSUSA posted.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-23   19:10:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Old Friend (#53)

So he could let someone through who never heard of him. If they met the criteria which PSUSA posted.

Not imo.

Where does scripture say that once a person dies, he is allowed into Heaven or thrown into "hell"? That is what churchianity teaches, not what scripture teaches. It says that after death comes the judgement, not the sentencing.

How does Gods' supposedly infinite love turn to horrifying hate within 1 heartbeat? It doesn't. Hate that can be the result of something as small as picking an apple off of a neighbors tree, for which a person supposedly is subject to infinite torture. Is that justice? Not even Hitler would do that.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-23   19:23:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#56. To: PSUSA (#55)

So what you say boils down to there is no hell?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-23 19:29:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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