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Title: Obama promises unshakable support for Israel
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URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90QUD980&show_article=1
Published: May 22, 2008
Author: CHRISTOPHER WILLS
Post Date: 2008-05-23 12:11:35 by Peppa
Keywords: Obama
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BOCA RATON, Fla. (AP) - Barack Obama is promising an "unshakable commitment" to Israel if he is elected president. The Illinois senator also says he hopes his presidency would help improve strained relations between American black and Jewish communities. The Illinois senator was speaking a town hall meeting at a synagogue in Florida on Thursday. Democratic presidential candidates didn't campaign in Florida during the primary, but Obama is focusing on the state now that he's close to wrapping up the nomination. Some Jewish voters are turned off by his willingness to negotiate with countries like Iran and Syria. Others reject Obama because of e-mails spreading false rumors about him. Obama stresses that he wouldn't negotiate with the militant Palestinian group Hamas.
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#1. To: All, *Obama Reality Check* (#0)
Oy Vey: Obama's Salute to Israeli Socialism newsbusters.org/blogs/mar.../23/oy-vey-obamas-salute- israeli-socialism [snip] "BARACK OBAMA: As I learned more [about the Zionist movement], I found I had a deep affinity with the idea of social justice that was embodied in the Jewish faith. There was a notion–tikkun–that you could repair the breach of the past. There was a notion, embodied in the kibbutz, that we all had a responsibility to each other. That we're all in this together. That hope can persevere even against the longest odds. View video here [link is to RCP clip; cited remarks from 0:30-2:50.] Let's deconstruct. "Social justice": classic left-wing code for redistributive economics. Tikkun, or tikkun olam, is the favorite term of the Jewish left. It means "repairing the world," and is interpreted by liberal Jews as a mandate for big government. Ironically, it was Hillary Clinton who brought the phrase into American political currency via her erstwhile spiritual advisor Michael Lerner, he of "the politics of meaning," and publisher of a left-wing journal named . . . Tikkun. Finally, just what is the kibbutz, with which notion Obama claims "deep affinity?" It was nothing less than an explicit experiment in utopian socialism, of communal living in which not only property, but also child- rearing, were shared. Kids were raised in communal dorms, with parents granted only a limited number of hours per week of individual interaction with their children. Recent years have seen a crisis for the kibbutzim, in which they have been forced to embrace some market reforms in order to survive. But Obama clearly seemed to be referring to the original, romanticized version of the collectivist kibbutz in which "we're all in this together." Will the MSM pick up on Obama's salute to socialism? Not holding breath . . {snip} Much more at the link.
But we all know obama can spontaneously generate multiple orgasms in his female listeners, and is the lesser of 3 evils. As such he deserves our unconditional support. Touch not mine annointed. You're not a racist, are you? /sarcasm/
This is only right, since the Os promise unshakable support for him.
You're not a racist, are you? /sarcasm/ The males seem to have equally caught the vapors. Magnificent, magananmous, visionary, sophisticated, brilliant! :P
Kind of appropriate that BHO said these words in a place known as "Mouth of Rat."
Looks like a few are getting cranky.. Even the AP can't figure out Obama's foreign policy blog.beliefnet.com/reform...2008/05/even-the-ap-cant-figure-out- ob.html Fact Check: Obama's outreach to foes questionable news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080...bama_diplomacy_fact_check I'm dizzy. I need some dramamine.
Oh man. I watched a bit of his speech. It didn't appear that they were buying what he was selling... but, he was sure selling it. Vids avail here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/obamas_speech_in_boca_raton.h tml
Well there's a shocker. /sarcasm
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
That's what happens when you try to be all things to all people. Obama promises more wars to Zionist Democrats, and peace to the anti-war wing of the party. But BHO is a rank amateur at this, still being young and all. Mad Mac has managed to sell himself to both the secular Rockefeller "left" and Bible- banging "right" wing of the GOP.
The more I read, the more his FP positions adjust depending on the audience. I guess that's fine if you are happy with one of the versions. You just got to believe.
That's always been one of my problems. I'm not much of a believer.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
Bingo was his name-o. But BHO is a rank amateur at this, still being young and all. Mad Mac has managed to sell himself to both the secular "left" and Bible-banging "right" wing of the GOP. After the tragic loss of the Hagee endorsement/s, I don't know about that. We'll have to see his VP choices to determine which part of his 'base' he seeks to hold. Guns, Butter and the Bible, add Amnesty, and he's pretty much gutted the base.
Me neither.
The "religious right" would vote GOP if they ran Karl Marx on the ticket, Mad Mac doesn't have to worry about them. They may bitch about McCain, but they'll still turn out in droves to vote against any Democrat. And Mad Mac doesn't need to worry about the immigration issue - the issue always disappears from the radar screen every 4th November. It did for Bush, anyway. Mad Mac needs a liberal VP to win votes from independents and moderate Democrats. I'm still betting that he'll pick Lieberman.
I don't like this posture, but I understand it. Barack Obama, or anyone else who realistically seeks to be POTUS has to deal with the political land mines that come with the territory. You hate that, I hate that, but it is a fact of life currently that Obama's lack of support for the proxy war in Iraq the neocons started to advance policy goals of the Israelis and them scares the piss out of Israeli firsters. I am not going to condemn him for navigating through these explosive waters, but I will be one of many people putting the pressure on to back away from Israel when he becomes president. Just as many Zionists will never back him as they see the same thing I do; someone who would be willing to re-evaluate and change our toxic relationship with the Jewish state in the Middle East. That scares the piss out of them.
When Mr McCain looks out at the world, his gaze alights instinctively on his country's enemies. But the same world is replete with allies, actual and potential. Mr Obama cannot afford to ignore the enemies, but he is right to think as much about how to mobilise America's friends. Mr Obama describes the world as it is; Mr McCain as it seemed to be during that fleeting unipolar moment. America's voters will decide in November through which of these lenses they prefer to look. Op ed in today's Financial Times. Obama not only sees the world foreign policy as it is, he also sees the world of U.S. electoral politics as it is. John Kennedy ran for the presidency in 1960 as a Cold War hard-liner.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
yep
Mad Mac needs a liberal VP to win votes from independents and moderate Democrats. I'm still betting that he'll pick Lieberman. In your opinion, other than voting against Hillary or Obama, what issue would attract anyone to McCain? (Old Spice, is not a permittable answer) ;) I know of only one thing, and that is, it would expose the dem Congress for what it's not.
I saw a clip of what Obama said in the synagogue on CNN last night. He said he would not negotiate with Hamas or Hezbollah until they recognized Israel's right to exist. He also said he would see to it that Israel was able to defend itself. He said nothing about not negotiating with Iran, and he said nothing about attacking some country for Israel's sake, certainly not in any war of aggression.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Just yesterday this story hit the news about the simmering violence in Crown Heights that began 17 years ago and resulted in the stabbing death of Yankel Rosenbaum. Two points two consider: Please notice that the story never mentioned "forgiveness". Those familiar with Holocaust history (and, who isn't?) need not ask why Jewish voices don't use the word. But, "Why wouldn't some peace loving African American minister or community leader invoke Christian love and forgiveness at this time?" some may wonder. Well, perhaps it's because the African American youth (who is now approaching middle age) charged with violating Rosenbaum's civil rights by killing him went on trial three times, received a ten year sentence but was not released to a halfway house until 2004! Had he been tried, convicted and not won new trials on appeal then even without credit for good behavior he'd have likely completed his sentence and been released years ago. But, the issue is still burning white hot in NYC, and neither side will utter the word "forgiveness", and the "outside public" who knows nothing about the background and endless criminal trials are getting only part of the picture. Otherwise, the whole story would reflect badly on the community that refuses to forgive and normalize relations. Can you imagine the outcry if (in 2003) the prosecutor had said, "We're not going to re-file charges because the average 1st degree murderer only serves 8 years, the maximum he can serve is ten years and Lemrick Nelson, Jr. has already served more than enough time."? footnote: This was the first time in our history that a non white was charged with violating the civil riots of a "white". Now, blacks murder whites every day and every time we're told by career prosecutors that race isn't a motive. What was different about the Rosenbaum murder? Family Seeks Longer Term For Stabbing In Crown Hts. So, despite their expectations of preferential treatment and an exempliary human sacrifice as a warning to others it would appear that the Jewish community wants to again posture as "the best friends of downtrodden blacks" and, they just don't seem to understand why that DAWG won't hunt.
spook daddy is the only president in my lifetime who had one iota of foreign policy experience. sock-puppets do not require it at all.
Well, I saw a pic of Barry in casual wear and he was lookin' mighty dam cute in them jeans! ;)
sock-puppets do not require it at all. excellent point
got that pic? ;)
And it angered and enraged the neocons of his day who tried to start a Bush style policy driven war in Cuba with the Bay of Pigs Invasion that Kennedy foiled it by refusing air support for it, and other measures that would of sucked us into a war there like gasoline being siphoned from a gas tanks to a gas can. Election year rhetoric is what it is, and anyone knowing the process of electing presidents can filter much of it out. I see in Barack Obama a very smart and talented man with a fire in his belly. Someone who has what it takes to defy the will of shadowy people who have us on the brink of disaster as a nation. I support Barack Obama because I have faith in our nation and it's Constitution and have seen it defy the odds and pull us back from disaster before. I see Obama as someone who won't be pushed around by those seeking to maintain the status quo. We sure need that to be the case at this time in our history. Which is why I would just love to see Ron Paul get the Republican nomination. He is the best choice for a man who will defy powerful and ruthless people. I am basing support more this year on the quality of the human being that is the candidate and their potential to change things. Many feel the same way, and this is why Barack Obama has an excellent chance at the White House this year.
Hamas... In a January 2006 election, Hamas won a majority of seats in the Palestinian legislature. Hamas also runs extensive social services in Palestine. I guess in this business, it's who pays the best.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Thanks for this post, I can't remember hearing about this before. Since the emergence of the Rev. Wright tapes, I have bumped into a few posts at various blogs written by Rabbi's, that note the common struggle between members of the Jewish faith, and African Americans, for social justice. So,there are elements that are reaching out to each other. From Obama's speech in Boca yeserday: Bonus Coverage: 'I Never Felt Rooted; Didn't Know Where I Was' Obama introduced his ode to collectivism with the lines below in which he describes the way in which the Jews' abiding connection with Israel despite centuries of separation appealed to him as a child who lacked real roots of his own. Poignant, but perhaps a bit troubling, too, for a prospective president to be the child of such alienation. OBAMA: The first time that this journey [that led to the creation of the State of Israel] was brought to my consciousness was back in the sixth grade. I had a Jewish-American camp counselor, who had spent time in Israel. And he talked about what it meant for Jews to have a homeland, particularly after the horror of the Holocaust. And he talked about how important it was for a people who had been uprooted, who had preserved their culture over centuries, to finally return to their homeland. And that idea was incredibly powerful to me. I was 11 years old at the time, but I had grown up as a child who had never felt rooted. Some of you know that I've got a diverse background, a mother from Kansas, a father from Kenya, my father had left, I lived in Indonesia for a time, came back to Hawaii: I didn't know where I was. And so, the idea that one could hang onto one's sense of values, and have a sense of family, and despite being an outsider, somehow still have a place to connect to, not only a physical place but also an emotional place and a spiritual place, was very powerful to me. So even before I fully understood the history of the Jewish people, the Zionist movement was something that I related to and connected to, from my own experience. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/05/23/oy-vey-obamas-salute- israeli-socialism
LOL!! I'm not falling for that again.. ;)
No, he wants "change". Non-specific change and full support for Israel.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Obama said he wouldn't negotiate with Hamas so long as it didn't recognize Israel's right to exist. That sounds to me like a problem easily solved.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
sigh. If he were a candidate of the people, he wouldn't have gotten this far.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Hamas also runs extensive social services in Palestine. I guess in this business, it's who pays the best. I posted a couple of articles above, but Obama is all over the place, and perhaps it is the money. There's a vid of Zbig from yesterday I'll put up later, but here's this: "Barack Obama's willingness to meet Iranian, Cuban and other hostile leaders who would not get face time from John McCain stands as a distinctive element of his foreign policy. Distinctive, yes, but clearly defined? Not quite. [...] This week, Obama qualified his past statements that he would meet the Iranian leadership directly and without precondition by saying he did not necessarily mean Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran's hardline, anti-American president. Em...well, then why did he say this: Something positively Clintonian about Obama, don't you think? Thank you, Democrats! I didn't think we would ever get a candidate as fun as Kerry but Obama's turned out to be as pompous, arrogant and clueless. Imagine that! " ===
He looks ticked off.
Talk about the power of self-deception. If there was even a grain truth to what you believe, do you think that Obama would have been the mass media golden boy for all of these years? Do you really think that he'd have the support of both the MSM and the corrupt DNC? If Obama wasn't a tool of the right people in places of power, he probably would never have bven become a Senator. He'd be ignored by the media just like Dr. Paul has been.
Conversely, a real 'candidate of the people' will run the gauntlet and get power despite all the intentions of keeping that from happening from a power elite. He has allot of things going for him that are factors you find in a mustang who can navigate in the predator infested plains and canyons of American politics. He doesn't have the institutionalization and stuck in a rut aspect to him because he is far too young for that. He also has courage, is a savvy political player and a deep intellect. Let's hope my instincts are sound and willingness to make a leap of faith not misguided. Because we really really do need a very competent president right now. And what is scary about the here and now is that even this might not be enough to save us, things have gotten that bad. And I would be lying if I claimed the current state of affairs regarding the survival of the Constitution and our country did not scare me.
Voting Americans are the ones who should look ticked off.
Hamas also runs extensive social services in Palestine. Most of all, Hamas is not a “terrorist” organization. You couldn’t believe the arm twisting we did with our European “allies” to agree to that designation.
Voting Americans are the ones who should look ticked off. Bitter. ;)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sigh. If he were a candidate of the people, he wouldn't have gotten this far. The Oh'bummer believers do not operate on facts and rational analysis - like the former Jorge Boosch supporters - they "beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelieeeeeeeeeeeeve"! Reality, as evidenced by what was done to derail the Ron Paul juggernaut, has no impact on them whatsoever. It is the same thing over and over - "he's different" because he is about "change we can believe in" and he won't really bend over for the Israeli Lobby. He couldn't possibly be in this position because he is already owned. No, he's about change we can "beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelieeeeeeeeeeeeeve in". Slovaya bogu! (Russian - translation- Good God.) I just wish I could add an "/Sarcasm" to this but unfortunately I can't.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
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#2. To: Peppa (#1)
#3. To: Peppa (#0)
#4. To: PSUSA (#2)
But we all know obama can spontaneously generate multiple orgasms in his female listeners, and is the lesser of 3 evils. As such he deserves our unconditional support. Touch not mine annointed.
#5. To: Peppa (#0)
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BOCA RATON
#6. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
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This is only right, since the Os promise unshakable support for him.
#7. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#5)
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Kind of appropriate that BHO said these words in a place known as "Mouth of Rat."
#8. To: Peppa (#0)
#9. To: Peppa (#7)
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#10. To: Hayek Fan (#8)
Well there's a shocker. /sarcasm
#11. To: Peppa (#10)
You just got to believe
#12. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#9)
That's what happens when you try to be all things to all people. Obama promises more wars to Zionist Democrats, and peace to the anti-war wing of the party.
#13. To: Hayek Fan (#11)
That's always been one of my problems. I'm not much of a believer.
#14. To: Peppa (#12)
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
"This is only right, since the Os promise unshakable support for him."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#16. To: Ferret Mike (#15)
There is a lot of necessary probing to be done of Mr Obama's foreign policy positions. His inexperience is a legitimate cause for concern. The primaries have shown he can stumble. But overall he has grasped the ineluctable, if uncomfortable, insight that to secure its interests the US will henceforth need allies and legitimacy.
#17. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#14)
The "religious right" would vote GOP if they ran Karl Marx on the ticket,
#18. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#14)
The "religious right" would vote GOP if they ran Karl Marx on the ticket, Mad Mac doesn't have to worry about them. They may bitch about McCain, but they'll still turn out in droves to vote against any Democrat. And Mad Mac doesn't need to worry about the immigration issue - the issue always disappears from the radar screen every 4th November. It did for Bush, anyway.
#19. To: Peppa (#0)
#20. To: Jethro Tull, christine, rowdee, Peppa, Dakmar, angle, Ragin1 (#3)
#21. To: aristeides (#16)
There is a lot of necessary probing to be done of Mr Obama's foreign policy positions. His inexperience is a legitimate cause for concern.
#22. To: Peppa, rowdee, Jethro Tull, christine (#4)
The males seem to have equally caught the vapors. Magnificent, magananmous, visionary, sophisticated, brilliant! :P
#23. To: lodwick (#21)
spook daddy is the only president in my lifetime who had one iota of foreign policy experience.
#24. To: HOUNDDAWG (#22)
Well, I saw a pic of Barry in casual wear and he was lookin' mighty dam cute in them jeans! ;)
#25. To: aristeides (#16)
"John Kennedy ran for the presidency in 1960 as a Cold War hard-liner."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#26. To: Peppa (#0)
Obama stresses that he wouldn't negotiate with the militant Palestinian group Hamas.
#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#20)
So, despite their expectations of preferential treatment and an exempliary human sacrifice as a warning to others it would appear that the Jewish community wants to again posture as "the best friends of downtrodden blacks" and, they just don't seem to understand why that DAWG won't hunt
#28. To: HOUNDDAWG (#22)
Well, I saw a pic of Barry in casual wear and he was lookin' mighty dam cute in them jeans! ;)
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
I see Obama as someone who won't be pushed around by those seeking to maintain the status quo.
#30. To: angle (#26)
#31. To: Ferret Mike (#15)
I will be one of many people putting the pressure on to back away from Israel when he becomes president.
#32. To: angle (#26)
Hamas... In a January 2006 election, Hamas won a majority of seats in the Palestinian legislature.
Source: http://blog.beliefnet.com/reformedchicksblabbing/2008/05/even-the-ap- cant-figure-out-ob.html
#33. To: Peppa (#0)
Barack Obama is promising an "unshakable commitment" to Israel if he is elected president.
#34. To: TwentyTwelve (#33)
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
(Edited)
I see Obama as someone who won't be pushed around by those seeking to maintain the status quo.
#36. To: angle (#31)
"sigh. If he were a candidate of the people, he wouldn't have gotten this far."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#37. To: Peppa (#34)
He looks ticked off.
#38. To: angle (#26)
Hamas... In a January 2006 election, Hamas won a majority of seats in the Palestinian legislature.
#39. To: TwentyTwelve (#37)
#40. To: angle, Ferret Mike, Aristeides, christine, Lodwick, Twenty Twelve, Wudidiz, all (#31)
I will be one of many people putting the pressure on to back away from Israel when he becomes president.
There's a sucker born every minute, and a man to take him every five." ~ P.T. Barnum
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