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Title: Obama promises unshakable support for Israel
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URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90QUD980&show_article=1
Published: May 22, 2008
Author: CHRISTOPHER WILLS
Post Date: 2008-05-23 12:11:35 by Peppa
Keywords: Obama
Views: 708
Comments: 52

BOCA RATON, Fla. (AP) - Barack Obama is promising an "unshakable commitment" to Israel if he is elected president. The Illinois senator also says he hopes his presidency would help improve strained relations between American black and Jewish communities.

The Illinois senator was speaking a town hall meeting at a synagogue in Florida on Thursday.

Democratic presidential candidates didn't campaign in Florida during the primary, but Obama is focusing on the state now that he's close to wrapping up the nomination.

Some Jewish voters are turned off by his willingness to negotiate with countries like Iran and Syria. Others reject Obama because of e-mails spreading false rumors about him.

Obama stresses that he wouldn't negotiate with the militant Palestinian group Hamas.

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#13. To: Hayek Fan (#11)

That's always been one of my problems. I'm not much of a believer.

Me neither.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-23   12:53:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Peppa (#12)

The "religious right" would vote GOP if they ran Karl Marx on the ticket, Mad Mac doesn't have to worry about them. They may bitch about McCain, but they'll still turn out in droves to vote against any Democrat. And Mad Mac doesn't need to worry about the immigration issue - the issue always disappears from the radar screen every 4th November. It did for Bush, anyway.

Mad Mac needs a liberal VP to win votes from independents and moderate Democrats. I'm still betting that he'll pick Lieberman.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-23   12:56:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

"This is only right, since the Os promise unshakable support for him."

I don't like this posture, but I understand it. Barack Obama, or anyone else who realistically seeks to be POTUS has to deal with the political land mines that come with the territory.

You hate that, I hate that, but it is a fact of life currently that Obama's lack of support for the proxy war in Iraq the neocons started to advance policy goals of the Israelis and them scares the piss out of Israeli firsters.

I am not going to condemn him for navigating through these explosive waters, but I will be one of many people putting the pressure on to back away from Israel when he becomes president. Just as many Zionists will never back him as they see the same thing I do; someone who would be willing to re-evaluate and change our toxic relationship with the Jewish state in the Middle East.

That scares the piss out of them.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-23   13:12:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike (#15)

There is a lot of necessary probing to be done of Mr Obama's foreign policy positions. His inexperience is a legitimate cause for concern. The primaries have shown he can stumble. But overall he has grasped the ineluctable, if uncomfortable, insight that to secure its interests the US will henceforth need allies and legitimacy.

When Mr McCain looks out at the world, his gaze alights instinctively on his country's enemies. But the same world is replete with allies, actual and potential. Mr Obama cannot afford to ignore the enemies, but he is right to think as much about how to mobilise America's friends.

Mr Obama describes the world as it is; Mr McCain as it seemed to be during that fleeting unipolar moment. America's voters will decide in November through which of these lenses they prefer to look.

Op ed in today's Financial Times.

Obama not only sees the world foreign policy as it is, he also sees the world of U.S. electoral politics as it is.

John Kennedy ran for the presidency in 1960 as a Cold War hard-liner.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-23   13:17:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#14)

The "religious right" would vote GOP if they ran Karl Marx on the ticket,

yep

christine  posted on  2008-05-23   13:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#14)

The "religious right" would vote GOP if they ran Karl Marx on the ticket, Mad Mac doesn't have to worry about them. They may bitch about McCain, but they'll still turn out in droves to vote against any Democrat. And Mad Mac doesn't need to worry about the immigration issue - the issue always disappears from the radar screen every 4th November. It did for Bush, anyway.

Mad Mac needs a liberal VP to win votes from independents and moderate Democrats. I'm still betting that he'll pick Lieberman.

In your opinion, other than voting against Hillary or Obama, what issue would attract anyone to McCain? (Old Spice, is not a permittable answer) ;)

I know of only one thing, and that is, it would expose the dem Congress for what it's not.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-23   13:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Peppa (#0)

I saw a clip of what Obama said in the synagogue on CNN last night. He said he would not negotiate with Hamas or Hezbollah until they recognized Israel's right to exist. He also said he would see to it that Israel was able to defend itself. He said nothing about not negotiating with Iran, and he said nothing about attacking some country for Israel's sake, certainly not in any war of aggression.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-23   13:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull, christine, rowdee, Peppa, Dakmar, angle, Ragin1 (#3)

Just yesterday this story hit the news about the simmering violence in Crown Heights that began 17 years ago and resulted in the stabbing death of Yankel Rosenbaum.

Two points two consider:

Please notice that the story never mentioned "forgiveness". Those familiar with Holocaust history (and, who isn't?) need not ask why Jewish voices don't use the word. But, "Why wouldn't some peace loving African American minister or community leader invoke Christian love and forgiveness at this time?" some may wonder.

Well, perhaps it's because the African American youth (who is now approaching middle age) charged with violating Rosenbaum's civil rights by killing him went on trial three times, received a ten year sentence but was not released to a halfway house until 2004!

Had he been tried, convicted and not won new trials on appeal then even without credit for good behavior he'd have likely completed his sentence and been released years ago.

But, the issue is still burning white hot in NYC, and neither side will utter the word "forgiveness", and the "outside public" who knows nothing about the background and endless criminal trials are getting only part of the picture.

Otherwise, the whole story would reflect badly on the community that refuses to forgive and normalize relations. Can you imagine the outcry if (in 2003) the prosecutor had said, "We're not going to re-file charges because the average 1st degree murderer only serves 8 years, the maximum he can serve is ten years and Lemrick Nelson, Jr. has already served more than enough time."?

footnote: This was the first time in our history that a non white was charged with violating the civil riots of a "white". Now, blacks murder whites every day and every time we're told by career prosecutors that race isn't a motive.

What was different about the Rosenbaum murder?

Family Seeks Longer Term For Stabbing In Crown Hts.

Expressing regret that he could not impose a harsher penalty, a federal judge sentenced Lemrick Nelson yesterday to 10 years in prison for the fatal stabbing of Yankel Rosenbaum in the Crown Heights racial unrest of 1991. (August 21, 2003)

After the death of Gavin Cato, members of the black community believed that the decision to remove Lifsh from the scene first was racially motivated. They also maintained that this was one example of a perceived system of preferential treatment afforded to Jews in Crown Heights.[9] The preferential treatment was reported to include biased actions by law enforcement and allocations of government resources amongst others.

So, despite their expectations of preferential treatment and an exempliary human sacrifice as a warning to others it would appear that the Jewish community wants to again posture as "the best friends of downtrodden blacks" and, they just don't seem to understand why that DAWG won't hunt.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-05-23   13:24:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: aristeides (#16)

There is a lot of necessary probing to be done of Mr Obama's foreign policy positions. His inexperience is a legitimate cause for concern.

spook daddy is the only president in my lifetime who had one iota of foreign policy experience.

sock-puppets do not require it at all.

Lod  posted on  2008-05-23   13:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Peppa, rowdee, Jethro Tull, christine (#4)

The males seem to have equally caught the vapors. Magnificent, magananmous, visionary, sophisticated, brilliant! :P

Well, I saw a pic of Barry in casual wear and he was lookin' mighty dam cute in them jeans! ;)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-05-23   13:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lodwick (#21)

spook daddy is the only president in my lifetime who had one iota of foreign policy experience.

sock-puppets do not require it at all.

excellent point

christine  posted on  2008-05-23   13:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: HOUNDDAWG (#22)

Well, I saw a pic of Barry in casual wear and he was lookin' mighty dam cute in them jeans! ;)

got that pic? ;)

christine  posted on  2008-05-23   13:33:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: aristeides (#16)

"John Kennedy ran for the presidency in 1960 as a Cold War hard-liner."

And it angered and enraged the neocons of his day who tried to start a Bush style policy driven war in Cuba with the Bay of Pigs Invasion that Kennedy foiled it by refusing air support for it, and other measures that would of sucked us into a war there like gasoline being siphoned from a gas tanks to a gas can.

Election year rhetoric is what it is, and anyone knowing the process of electing presidents can filter much of it out. I see in Barack Obama a very smart and talented man with a fire in his belly.

Someone who has what it takes to defy the will of shadowy people who have us on the brink of disaster as a nation.

I support Barack Obama because I have faith in our nation and it's Constitution and have seen it defy the odds and pull us back from disaster before. I see Obama as someone who won't be pushed around by those seeking to maintain the status quo.

We sure need that to be the case at this time in our history. Which is why I would just love to see Ron Paul get the Republican nomination. He is the best choice for a man who will defy powerful and ruthless people.

I am basing support more this year on the quality of the human being that is the candidate and their potential to change things. Many feel the same way, and this is why Barack Obama has an excellent chance at the White House this year.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-23   13:34:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Peppa (#0)

Obama stresses that he wouldn't negotiate with the militant Palestinian group Hamas.

Hamas... In a January 2006 election, Hamas won a majority of seats in the Palestinian legislature.

Hamas also runs extensive social services in Palestine.

I guess in this business, it's who pays the best.

"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"

angle  posted on  2008-05-23   13:39:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#20)

So, despite their expectations of preferential treatment and an exempliary human sacrifice as a warning to others it would appear that the Jewish community wants to again posture as "the best friends of downtrodden blacks" and, they just don't seem to understand why that DAWG won't hunt

Thanks for this post, I can't remember hearing about this before.

Since the emergence of the Rev. Wright tapes, I have bumped into a few posts at various blogs written by Rabbi's, that note the common struggle between members of the Jewish faith, and African Americans, for social justice.

So,there are elements that are reaching out to each other.

From Obama's speech in Boca yeserday:

Bonus Coverage: 'I Never Felt Rooted; Didn't Know Where I Was'

Obama introduced his ode to collectivism with the lines below in which he describes the way in which the Jews' abiding connection with Israel despite centuries of separation appealed to him as a child who lacked real roots of his own. Poignant, but perhaps a bit troubling, too, for a prospective president to be the child of such alienation.

OBAMA: The first time that this journey [that led to the creation of the State of Israel] was brought to my consciousness was back in the sixth grade. I had a Jewish-American camp counselor, who had spent time in Israel. And he talked about what it meant for Jews to have a homeland, particularly after the horror of the Holocaust. And he talked about how important it was for a people who had been uprooted, who had preserved their culture over centuries, to finally return to their homeland.

And that idea was incredibly powerful to me. I was 11 years old at the time, but I had grown up as a child who had never felt rooted. Some of you know that I've got a diverse background, a mother from Kansas, a father from Kenya, my father had left, I lived in Indonesia for a time, came back to Hawaii: I didn't know where I was. And so, the idea that one could hang onto one's sense of values, and have a sense of family, and despite being an outsider, somehow still have a place to connect to, not only a physical place but also an emotional place and a spiritual place, was very powerful to me. So even before I fully understood the history of the Jewish people, the Zionist movement was something that I related to and connected to, from my own experience.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/05/23/oy-vey-obamas-salute- israeli-socialism

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-23   13:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: HOUNDDAWG (#22)

Well, I saw a pic of Barry in casual wear and he was lookin' mighty dam cute in them jeans! ;)

LOL!! I'm not falling for that again.. ;)

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-23   13:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

I see Obama as someone who won't be pushed around by those seeking to maintain the status quo.

No, he wants "change". Non-specific change and full support for Israel.

"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"

angle  posted on  2008-05-23   13:41:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: angle (#26)

Obama said he wouldn't negotiate with Hamas so long as it didn't recognize Israel's right to exist.

That sounds to me like a problem easily solved.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-23   13:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike (#15)

I will be one of many people putting the pressure on to back away from Israel when he becomes president.

sigh. If he were a candidate of the people, he wouldn't have gotten this far.

"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"

angle  posted on  2008-05-23   13:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: angle (#26)

Hamas... In a January 2006 election, Hamas won a majority of seats in the Palestinian legislature.

Hamas also runs extensive social services in Palestine.

I guess in this business, it's who pays the best.

I posted a couple of articles above, but Obama is all over the place, and perhaps it is the money. There's a vid of Zbig from yesterday I'll put up later, but here's this:


Source: http://blog.beliefnet.com/reformedchicksblabbing/2008/05/even-the-ap- cant-figure-out-ob.html

"Barack Obama's willingness to meet Iranian, Cuban and other hostile leaders who would not get face time from John McCain stands as a distinctive element of his foreign policy.

Distinctive, yes, but clearly defined? Not quite.

[...]

This week, Obama qualified his past statements that he would meet the Iranian leadership directly and without precondition by saying he did not necessarily mean Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran's hardline, anti-American president.

Em...well, then why did he say this:

Something positively Clintonian about Obama, don't you think?

Thank you, Democrats! I didn't think we would ever get a candidate as fun as Kerry but Obama's turned out to be as pompous, arrogant and clueless. Imagine that! "

===

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-23   13:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Peppa (#0)

Barack Obama is promising an "unshakable commitment" to Israel if he is elected president.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-23   13:47:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TwentyTwelve (#33)

He looks ticked off.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-23   13:48:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Ferret Mike (#25) (Edited)

I see Obama as someone who won't be pushed around by those seeking to maintain the status quo.

Talk about the power of self-deception. If there was even a grain truth to what you believe, do you think that Obama would have been the mass media golden boy for all of these years? Do you really think that he'd have the support of both the MSM and the corrupt DNC?

If Obama wasn't a tool of the right people in places of power, he probably would never have bven become a Senator. He'd be ignored by the media just like Dr. Paul has been.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-23   13:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: angle (#31)

"sigh. If he were a candidate of the people, he wouldn't have gotten this far."

Conversely, a real 'candidate of the people' will run the gauntlet and get power despite all the intentions of keeping that from happening from a power elite.

He has allot of things going for him that are factors you find in a mustang who can navigate in the predator infested plains and canyons of American politics.

He doesn't have the institutionalization and stuck in a rut aspect to him because he is far too young for that. He also has courage, is a savvy political player and a deep intellect.

Let's hope my instincts are sound and willingness to make a leap of faith not misguided.

Because we really really do need a very competent president right now. And what is scary about the here and now is that even this might not be enough to save us, things have gotten that bad.

And I would be lying if I claimed the current state of affairs regarding the survival of the Constitution and our country did not scare me.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-23   14:01:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Peppa (#34)

He looks ticked off.

Voting Americans are the ones who should look ticked off.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-23   14:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: angle (#26)

Hamas... In a January 2006 election, Hamas won a majority of seats in the Palestinian legislature.

Hamas also runs extensive social services in Palestine.

Most of all, Hamas is not a “terrorist” organization.

You couldn’t believe the arm twisting we did with our European “allies” to agree to that designation.

karelian  posted on  2008-05-23   14:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: TwentyTwelve (#37)

Voting Americans are the ones who should look ticked off.

Bitter. ;)

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-23   14:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: angle, Ferret Mike, Aristeides, christine, Lodwick, Twenty Twelve, Wudidiz, all (#31)

I will be one of many people putting the pressure on to back away from Israel when he becomes president.

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sigh. If he were a candidate of the people, he wouldn't have gotten this far.

There's a sucker born every minute, and a man to take him every five." ~ P.T. Barnum

The Oh'bummer believers do not operate on facts and rational analysis - like the former Jorge Boosch supporters - they "beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelieeeeeeeeeeeeve"!

Reality, as evidenced by what was done to derail the Ron Paul juggernaut, has no impact on them whatsoever.

It is the same thing over and over - "he's different" because he is about "change we can believe in" and he won't really bend over for the Israeli Lobby.

He couldn't possibly be in this position because he is already owned. No, he's about change we can "beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelieeeeeeeeeeeeeve in".

Slovaya bogu! (Russian - translation- Good God.)

I just wish I could add an "/Sarcasm" to this but unfortunately I can't.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-05-23   14:08:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#35)

"If Obama wasn't a tool of the right people in places of power, he probably would never have bven become a Senator. He'd be ignored by the media just like Dr. Paul has been."

You quantify people as wholly predictable entities incapable of biting the hand that feeds them. I don't.

I am hoping Obama walks the walk, and in fact has confidence this will prove to be the case of this man who definitely talks the talk well.

We shall see who is smarter, the naysayers or the inspired, as I see him as unstoppable from achieving entry into this high office this year.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-23   14:09:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: karelian, angle (#38)

Hamas... In a January 2006 election, Hamas won a majority of seats in the Palestinian legislature.

Hamas also runs extensive social services in Palestine.

Most of all, Hamas is not a “terrorist” organization.

You couldn’t believe the arm twisting we did with our European “allies” to agree to that designation.

It gets even funnier when you dig into the history of Hamas and learn that they were created by the Israeli Gestapo (Shin Bet) as a counter to Yasser Arafat's Al Fatah.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-05-23   14:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ferret Mike, Rupert Pupkin (#41)

"If Obama wasn't a tool of the right people in places of power, he probably would never have bven become a Senator. He'd be ignored by the media just like Dr. Paul has been."

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You quantify people as wholly predictable entities incapable of biting the hand that feeds them. I don't.

I am hoping Obama walks the walk, and in fact has confidence this will prove to be the case of this man who definitely talks the talk well.

We shall see who is smarter, the naysayers or the inspired, as I see him as unstoppable from achieving entry into this high office this year.

Well, you can wish in one hand and s**t in the other and then see which one fills up first.

Things must be looking pretty good there in "Blue Pill" land.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-05-23   14:17:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Original_Intent (#40)

No, he's about change we can "beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelieeeeeeeeeeeeeve in".

Anti-war voters, you've been played

Congress never intended to end the war, they knew that they didn't have the power to do so but they realized you guys didn't understand that. And here's your proof:


Congressman admits Democrats "stretched the facts," misled anti-war supporters about supposed plans for ending War

Submitted by Jeff Emanuel on Thu, 05/22/2008 - 8:18pm.

Congressman Paul Kanjorski (D-PA) has been a fairly undistinguished member of the House of Representatives for nearly a quarter of a century. He is a career member of the Financial Services Committee who has made little or no name for himself since his first electoral victory, and has maintained incumbency through the funneling of pork back to his district. Even his Wikipedia entry says that Kanjorski "usually plays behind-the-scenes roles in the advocacy or defeat of legislation and steers appropriations money toward improving the infrastructure and economic needs of his district."

“But [in] the temptation to want to win back the Congress, we sort of stretched the facts - and people ate it up.”Never one to stand out in a crowd outside of his own district if he could help it up until now, Rep. Kanjorski's public life may be about to change in a major way very, very quickly, and for a very big reason.

You see, Paul Kanjorski has an honesty problem.

More specifically, Paul Kanjorski's problem is that he was publicly honest about the intentional dishonesty of Congressional Democrats (and Democrat candidates) in the run-up to the 2006 election -- particularly with regard to the War in Iraq.

Watch the video below (a transcript follows):

Transcript:

"I'll tell you my impression. We really in this last election, when I say we...the Democrats, I think pushed it as far as we can to the end of the fleet, didn't say it, but we implied it. That if we won the Congressional elections, we could stop the war. Now anybody was a good student of Government would know that wasn't true. But you know, the temptation to want to win back the Congress, we sort of stretched the facts...and people ate it up."

The truth in Mr. Kanjorski's statement is both evident and obvious, and has been (to any who have been paying attention) since the Democrat out-of-Iraq-now campaigns began in early 2006. It has become more obvious with every bill the Democrat-led Congress passed that, rather than ending the war, simply gave the President nearly every single thing he asked for, without putting up any real fight (as opposed to the semifrequent, yet brief, preening-for-the-cameras moments of solely rhetorical dissent).

The impression the Democratic Congress gave during those minor-at-best wars over the continuation of the War was that it was simply incompetent. Reps. Pelosi, Hoyer, et al wanted to end the war as soon as possible -- at least, that's what they kept saying. Unfortunately for those who largely elected them on that basis, the best and brightest Democrats in elective office were simply unable to figure out any way to outsmart and outmaneuver the buffoon in the White House on the issues of wartime budget and policy, instead (inadvertently, I'm sure) ending every fight on the wrong side from their point of view, having yet again given the President every single thing he was asking for.

Now, Rep. Kanjorski has very publicly pulled the curtain back on the Democrat Congress' real intent and objective. "If we won the Congressional elections," he says, "we [implied that we] could stop the war." Yes, they did -- that is why the "Netroots" lined up behind these Democrats with their money and their soapboxes (but more importantly, with their money). That is why the "peace" activist supported them; ending the war NOW was the primary task they took on themselves to carry out, and the promise to do so was the basis on which so many of them were elected or reelected.

Now the mask slips -- and with it comes an admitted level of condescension directed by those Congressional Democrats at those who were gullible enough to support them for something that they themselves knew could not be done.

"Now anybody was a good student of Government," said Kanjorski, "would know that wasn't true [that they "could stop the war"]." Fortunately for those Democrats who campaigned, and were elected, based on their war-ending promises, their hardcore supporters, their activists, and their base of voters, are all made up of people who are, by Mr. Kanjorski's reckoning, very, very poor students of Government.

But all of that was justified to these incumbents and first-time candidates. Taking advantage of poor, uneducated rubes? Abusing trust, and leaving those who offered it stranded along the way? All acceptable -- because, again by Mr. Kanjorski's own description, of "the temptation to want to win back the Congress."

"We sort of stretched the facts," he says. "And people ate it up."

Yes, they did -- and that may well be an apt description of the fate awaiting Rep. Kanjorski himself once his fellow Congressional Democrats find out what secrets he has been publicly admitting.

After all, there is another election coming up in a mere five-plus months -- and they not only need the issue of their continued (purported) attempts to stop the war in order to gain support, but they need the votes of those same poor, poor students of government, who will believe every one of those stretched facts and, in the words of Mr. Kajorski, "eat up" what the Democrats had hoped to offer under the guise of something that was still eminently (and immintently) attainable under a their Congressional (and presidential) leadership.

Now, thanks to Mr. Kanjorski, that cat is out of the bag. He had better hope that those poor students of government are equally poor watchers of YouTube and followers of the news, or else the veneer of the Democrat promises on Iraq will be long gone, courtesy of his honesty problem.

SOURCE: jeffemanuel.net/paul-kanj...its-democrats-lied-about- being-able-to-end-war-in-iraq

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-23   14:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: All, *Obama Reality Check* (#44)

*ping to vid above*

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-23   14:24:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Peppa (#44)

Interesting read.

However, Congress could have ended it with the simple expedient of cutting off funding so there is a lie within the lie.

Kangarooski is doing a limited hang-out by admitting to a lesser offense. Translation: He's running for re-(s)election.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-05-23   14:27:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Original_Intent (#43)

"Things must be looking pretty good there in "Blue Pill" land."

The Matrix, 'blue pill/red pill' analogy is always great, but however, using it in so cliché a manner is 'blue pill' in and of itself.

I don't like the gamble aspect of politics, and I agree that the power elite hates it so much they indeed do stack the odds in their favor.

Perhaps Obama is 'the one, and a 'Neo'-like persona -- to borrow another Matrix concept -- or isn't. Or maybe he will turn out to be a mixture of Neo and something else not quite so heroic and inspiring. I am not blind as to the pratfalls of politics as you so amusingly suggest.

You see, I know all about the aspect of the gamble inherent to how things work in politics just like you do.

But thanks for sharing this thought anyway.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-23   14:30:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Original_Intent (#46)

The lesson is the they never intended to end the war, and s t r e t c h e d the truth to stack the Congress on a winning issue. That's what the pubs did using the 'activist judge' card in '04.

Now the Omoles are using this strategy again, on FP.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-23   14:34:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: christine (#24)

Well, I saw a pic of Barry in casual wear and he was lookin' mighty dam cute in them jeans! ;)

got that pic? ;)

You hussy! ;)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-05-23   15:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Ferret Mike (#36)

Because we really really do need a very competent president right now. And what is scary about the here and now is that even this might not be enough to save us, things have gotten that bad.

And I would be lying if I claimed the current state of affairs regarding the survival of the Constitution and our country did not scare me.

Yes. I know.

"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"

angle  posted on  2008-05-23   15:15:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: nikki (#25)

Someone who has what it takes to defy the will of shadowy people who have us on the brink of disaster as a nation.

I support Barack Obama because I have faith in our nation and it's Constitution and have seen it defy the odds and pull us back from disaster before. I see Obama as someone who won't be pushed around by those seeking to maintain the status quo.

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nikki  posted on  2008-08-23   16:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: nikki (#44)

"Now anybody was a good student of Government," said Kanjorski, "would know that wasn't true [that they "could stop the war"]." Fortunately for those Democrats who campaigned, and were elected, based on their war-ending promises, their hardcore supporters, their activists, and their base of voters, are all made up of people who are, by Mr. Kanjorski's reckoning, very, very poor students of Government.

vid*

nikki  posted on  2008-08-23   16:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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