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Title: McCain And Obama Are No Different On Iraq
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.jonesreport.com/article/05_08/20no_different.html
Published: May 24, 2008
Author: Patrick Krey
Post Date: 2008-05-24 18:00:36 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 132
Comments: 6

Establishment leaders would have us believe that Presidential Candidates John McCain and Barack Obama offer vastly dissimilar proposals for Iraq but in reality, there is virtually no difference between their plans.

Follow this link to the original source: "McCain on His Hopes for His First Term"

In a recent major speech, Republican Presidential Candidate John McCain outlined his vision for the future and described what he desires to have achieved by end of a first term in office. The defining portion of the speech was his description of what he hoped the situation in Iraq would be, under his leadership, by 2013.

“By January 2013, America has welcomed home most of the servicemen and women who have sacrificed terribly so that America might be secure in her freedom. ... The United States maintains a military presence there, but a much smaller one, and it does not play a direct combat role.”

Senator McCain and other leading Republicans would have American voters believe that this is a drastic change from the “cut and run” policies offered by Democratic candidates like Barack Obama. Likewise, Democratic leaders promote the notion that their candidate offers a plan for immediate withdrawal. They must be hoping that voters do not listen to what their candidate actually says.

Barack Obama, the alleged peace candidate of the 2008 elections, was asked if he would pledge to have all U.S. troops out of Iraq by 2013. His response was: “I think it’s hard to project four years from now and I think it would be irresponsible. We do not know what contingency will be out there. … I don’t want to make promises, not knowing what the situation‘s going to be three or four years out.”2

The alleged peace candidate who has made his opposition to the Iraq war a centerpiece of his campaign cannot even promise that the U.S. will be out of Iraq by 2013! Senator Obama also has stated: “This withdrawal would be gradual, and would keep some US troops in the region to prevent a wider war and go after Al Qaeda and other terrorists.” Even Obama’s own website proclaims, “he will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.”3 One has to wonder if Obama plagiarized those plans from McCain himself due to the extreme similarities.

Perhaps the similarity in approach to foreign policy can be explained by the fact that they both shared the same foreign policy advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski is a committed globalist, one of the most instrumental members of the Council on Foreign Relations and a founding member of the Trilateral Commission. Volumes more can be written about Brzezinski’s hawkish stands on foreign policy and his disdain for non-interventionism as well as his desire for global governance. What is important to note is that Republican John McCain had Brzezinski as his foreign policy advisor for his 1999-2000 Presidential campaign.4 Now Barack Obama has Brzezinski as one of his principal advisors. 5 It should be a red flag to the American public when their two choices for Presidential office are so casually sharing advisors.

Another matter, which should be a concern to those who might actually believe Senator Obama is the peace candidate, are his stated desires to expand the U.S. military as well as intervene in Africa, another policy initiative that he shares with Senator McCain. Combine this with the fact that the U.S. has more troops in Iraq now than it did before Democrats took control of Congress and it becomes much harder to perceive the Democrats as the self-proclaimed party of peace.

Both Senators McCain and Obama share the same disregard for the U.S. Constitution and embrace the globalism and interventionism that has bankrupted our great nation. These similarities do not end with foreign policy. From illegal immigration to global warming, both John McCain and Barack Obama seem to be walking in lockstep. It appears that another Presidential election is upon us where the two candidates are virtually indistinguishable from one another when it comes to the most pressing issues of the day.

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#1. To: *Obama 2008*, *Obama Reality Check* (#0)

Both Senators McCain and Obama share the same disregard for the U.S. Constitution and embrace the globalism and interventionism that has bankrupted our great nation. These similarities do not end with foreign policy. From illegal immigration to global warming, both John McCain and Barack Obama seem to be walking in lockstep. It appears that another Presidential election is upon us where the two candidates are virtually indistinguishable from one another when it comes to the most pressing issues of the day. Bump

christine  posted on  2008-05-24   18:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

Both Senators McCain and Obama share the same disregard for the U.S. Constitution and embrace the globalism and interventionism that has bankrupted our great nation

Both differ from Bush in one way.

Both would do away with the the red phone hot line in the Oval Office that terminates in Israel...

Both would replace it with a direct video link so that Olmert would know if they are standing at attention when they are being given orders by their superior.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-24   18:06:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#1)

Take the three of them, stuff them in a bag and shake, you then have a mess on your hands.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-24   18:08:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#0)

Another matter, which should be a concern to those who might actually believe Senator Obama is the peace candidate, are his stated desires to expand the U.S. military as well as intervene in Africa, another policy initiative that he shares with Senator McCain. Combine this with the fact that the U.S. has more troops in Iraq now than it did before Democrats took control of Congress and it becomes much harder to perceive the Democrats as the self-proclaimed party of peace.

Good points.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-05-24   18:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#1)

Obummer's screeching for a restoration of habeas corpus should land him about 11 votes. That's about the only difference I see.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-24   18:22:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull (#5)

The question is then how many caveats are on the restoration. If it is by executive order only, then the laws are still on the books.

Until and unless there is a commitment to reverse, remove, and repeal AND ALL THREE OF THOSE MUST BE IN THE COMMITMENT, then there is no "restoration" of habeas corpus.

I smell snow job.

McCain/Obama '08 -- Because the next step is Socialism rather than Freedom.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-24   18:30:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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