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Title: BHO, in another gaffe, says NAD-hero dictator Chavez siezed power post '01
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URL Source: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s ... ut-when-hugo-chavez-came-power
Published: May 26, 2008
Author: Noel Sheppard
Post Date: 2008-05-26 08:03:51 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 1085
Comments: 88

Will Media Report Obama's Gaffe About When Hugo Chavez Came to Power?

By Noel Sheppard | May 25, 2008 - 15:14 ET

Democrat presidential candidate Barack Obama made another gaffe on the campaign trail Friday when he suggested at a luncheon hosted by the Cuban American National Foundation that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez came to power while George W. Bush was in the White House.

Chavez was first elected president in 1998, and reelected in 2000, both occurring while Bill Clinton was serving his second term.

This was not the only gaffe Obama made in Florida Friday, for at another campaign stop, the junior senator from Illinois several times referred to the city of Sunrise as "Sunshine." This comes a week after calling Sioux Falls, South Dakota, "Sioux City," and two weeks after saying that America has 57 states.

Will Obama-loving media ever cover these gaffes?

While you ponder, here's the text of Obama's mistake concerning Chavez (video embedded upper right, relevant section begins at minute 2:50, h/t LGF):

Story Continues Below Ad [5; Since the Bush Administration launched a misguided war in Iraq, its policy in the Americas has been negligent toward our friends, ineffective with our adversaries, disinterested in the challenges that matter in peoples’ lives, and incapable of advancing our interests in the region. No wonder, then, that demagogues like Hugo Chavez have stepped into this vacuum.

Are these gaffes ever going to get reported?

This is a presidential election, and the man who is likely to be the Democrat nominee doesn't seem to know how many states are in our union, what city he's in when he's campaigning, or when our enemies came to power.

Isn't this newsworthy?

After all, if McCain made these errors on the stump, media would be claiming it to be early signs of Alzheimer's, and that would be the end of his campaign.

Those interested in more on the differences between how the press cover Democrat and Republican gaffes should read Michelle Malkin's fabulous piece on this subject from last Wednesday.


Poster Comment: BHO is an empty suit, who is able to capitalize on decades of multicultural indoctrination. If he were white, Hillary would be the D nominee.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

Technically, Chavez came to power for a third time during the Bush regime after the Bush-engineered coup pushed him out into the Bush and he then reconquered his job back.

By the way, how dares Chavez hate Bush's guts? Just because Bush tried to oust him, hoping that he retreats into a spider hole and then maybe get him hang on a rope following some due process kangaroo court proceedings? Only an insane, democratically elected dictator such as Chavez would hate the Bush, just because Bush was trying to spread a little democracy.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   8:16:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)

This article is about the Empty Suit, not the Chimp. Stay focused.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   8:22:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

BHO is an empty suit, who is able to capitalize on decades of multicultural indoctrination. If he were white, Hillary would be the D nominee.

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Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-26   8:28:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: James Deffenbach (#3)

Great pic. which speaks a thousand words. With his voting coaliation of 99.9% of blacks, college kids and dopey, guilt ridden whites, he should hit 44% of the national vote, tops :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   8:34:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

I'd vote for Chavez in a heartbeat over Obama, the Chimp or any other American who has run in recent years, provided we also get Venezuela as our 51st state in the deal.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-05-26   8:40:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

Oh, forgive me for daring to comment on your wise comments and for not asking you what this thread was about first.

Now, tell me, why do you love Hillary so much? Or is it McCain that you love? If you're in love with McCain, that would technically make you a... metrosexualist so thank you for coming out of the outhouse?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   8:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

And here is something his idiot old lady said:

From a speech in California:

"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone . . . Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual - uninvolved, uninformed."~ Michelle Obama

Just let that all sink in for a minute. Obummer is going to "require you to work." And he is going to make "demands" on you, make you "put down" things whether you choose to or not, and will not allow you to be alone or to be left alone. And he will "never allow you to go back to your lives as usual" no matter what you think about it. And people actually want to vote for this?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-26   8:41:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Sam Houston (#5) (Edited)

Why would it be good to have Venezuela as a US State?

It would actually be funny, if that happened. Think about the kids, discussing their foundling fathers in school.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   8:44:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)

Diversion is commonly used by PILES as a debate tactic. No sale. We've done Bush is an idiot x 8 years. Time for your boy to be roasted over the coals :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   8:46:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: James Deffenbach (#7)

All you fear, and more, could become reality of Obummer becomes present.

I heard that he is against fat and stupid people but he wants the homos to marry and teach the fat people how to exercise and raise their kids so that they don't play video games all day long and get fat and stupid.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   8:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#8)

Surely you jest.

Venezuela to Prove It Has World’s Largest Oil Reserves

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-05-26   8:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#9) (Edited)

You should be man enough to confess your morbid obsession with Obummer. Obama hatred burns you and it consumes you. Seriously, can you point me to you lastest comments critical of Hilly or McCain?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   8:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Sam Houston (#11)

Venezuela could have the world's ALL oil reserves and it would not make one iota of difference in a globalized economy. Note that some of the Alaska oil is sold to Japan TODAY. The oil price is set on a global market and the factors are supply, demand and fear/optimism about the near future.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   8:51:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: James Deffenbach (#7)

And people actually want to vote for this?

Yes, the HOPELESS and INEPT have nothing to lose, so HOPE and CHANGE is an attractive alternative to their hellish lives. Michelle and Barack better get a stable of slaves if social manipulation is their game. No free man or woman would allow those ivy league elitists to change the country to their warped image.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   8:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, a vast rightwing conspirator (#7)

"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone . . . Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual - uninvolved, uninformed."~ Michelle Obama

Great find JD!

I can't think of a more appropriate place to post it than right here! ;-)

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-05-26   8:55:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#12)

I'm fascinated by the Obama Knee pad crew; they had me fooled. Once upon a time they paraded about as opponents to socialism and big government. Frankly, I'm glad they tore off their masks. We're entering a time in our history where these feckless guilters will have no value to freedom lovers.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   8:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#12)

Seriously, can you point me to you latest comments critical of Hilly or McCain?

Maybe Hilly will start running around in blackface ... she's tried everything else.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-05-26   8:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

Come on, why don't you confess? Which of THE TWO do you love the most? Is it Hilly or is it McCain.

I just realized, regardless of which one you love more, you'll still be a homo, politically speaking, because, Hilly too, she's got testicular fortitude.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   9:02:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#18)

I just realized, regardless of which one you love more, you'll still be a homo

I win. You've been reduced to name calling :P

god, your crowd is inept.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   9:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#19)

No, my friend. You lost, and you lost multiple times.

You lost because you could not overcome your fear of ridicule and confess your true love for either Hillary or McCain.

You lost again because, you could not overcome your prejudice and your fear of ridicule and confess your political gayness. To be gay is no longer a stigma, it's a badge of otherness and you should be wearing it proud.

And you lost one more time because demonstrated to the millions of 4um members and lurkers that your agenda is not only driven by hatred and fear but, in fact, it is fear and hatred itself.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   9:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#20)

You lost because you could not overcome your fear of ridicule and confess your true love for either Hillary or McCain.

Umm....I don't vote.

Game, set, match.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   9:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

We're entering a time in our history

Wake up call, JT!

We're leaving behind the most shameful time in our history.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-05-26   9:12:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#10)

I heard that he is against fat and stupid people

And even knowing he is against you, you still support him? That is mighty magnanimous of you.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-26   9:13:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#21)

You lost because you could not overcome your fear of ridicule and confess your true love for either Hillary or McCain.

Umm....I don't vote.

Game, set, match.

What????

What does love have to do with voting? Come on man, make the headlines today and confess. Which of the 2 do you love? Is it Hilly+Billy? Is it Crazy Johnny? Is it all of the above?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   9:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

Yes, the HOPELESS and INEPT have nothing to lose, so HOPE and CHANGE is an attractive alternative to their hellish lives.

And they prove it with just about every post.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-26   9:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: iconoclast (#22)

We're leaving behind the most shameful time in our history.

Ico, can you do anything besides mindless cliches?

Nobody but you knows what you mean.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   9:16:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: James Deffenbach (#23)

I heard that he is against fat and stupid people

And even knowing he is against you, you still support him? That is mighty magnanimous of you.

Nice try but... I swim 2-3 miles every day and I work for a private corporation who would not pay me the six figures if I wasn't super-smart and showing it every day.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   9:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: iconoclast (#15)

Great find JD!

I can't think of a more appropriate place to post it than right here! ;-)

Yeah, I thought so too. And if that goofy beyotch or that retarded looking, jug-eared thing she calls a "husband" think they are going to make me do anything they are sadly mistaken. I don't take orders from people like them (or McCain or Clinton--I mention them because even though I have never supported any of them you obummer supporters get your panties bunched up unless someone takes shots at them too--so there you go).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-26   9:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: James Deffenbach (#28)

LOL - now we know who the slow-minded, fatass is around here.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   9:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#24)

I'll go slowly.......

All three are elitists and serve as living proof that the Peter Principle is alive and well in national politics.

Please, go away. Take your kids somewhere fun. They deserve your wisdom :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   9:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#27)

Nice try but... I swim 2-3 miles every day and I work for a private corporation who would not pay me the six figures if I wasn't super-smart and showing it every day.

I imagine the idiot occupying the White House now made six figure salaries in about all his "jobs" too, just for showing up. And you certainly do not show any intelligence to be touting an establishment candidate. No sale.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-26   9:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#27)

I swim 2-3 miles every day

Is that how you get to work?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   9:21:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

Great, so you hate them all equally. Which begs the question that you refuse to answer: please point to some posts of yours where you criticize Hilly+Billy or McCain.

It should be easy, since you hate them both. Yes?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   9:22:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#32)

Actually, I work from home 2-3 days each week. It's great leave the office and jump in the pool for 100 laps at lunch.

But you still need to tell us when and where did you criticized McCain and Hilly with at least half the passion you waste into attacking the Obummer.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   9:24:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#29)

LOL - now we know who the slow-minded, fatass is around here.

Yes, you prove that you are simple minded with your support of obummer. I don't know, or want to know, about the size of your ass. Sorry you have a fixation on such things.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-26   9:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: James Deffenbach (#31)

I told you, I work for a profit-seeking corporation. Not for the White House. There are about 200 million Indians after my job and one of them would certainly get it if I didn't beat them many times over.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   9:26:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: James Deffenbach (#35)

Sorry you have a fixation on such things.

:)))

I actually analyzed W's fat gut in a post this morning.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   9:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

We're leaving behind the most shameful time in our history.

Ico, can you do anything besides mindless cliches?

Nobody but you knows what you mean.

I daresay everyone but Georgie, Johny, and you know what I mean.

Back to basics, JT.

Read ... think ... post.

Spend extra time on steps one and two ...you obviously have the third down pat.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-05-26   9:28:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#33)

please point to some posts of yours where you criticize Hilly+Billy or McCain.

Hill and McCain are old war horses. I'm bored by their act. Besides they're white. Obama, OTOH, is new material, and his cultists a unique breed of Political Pod. They amuse me with their political correctness and love of multiculturalism.

So no, I'll stay w/Obama until I become weary of his swill.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   9:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#39)

Hill and McCain are old war horses.

Hill and McCain are old war horses whores.

So close.

There, fixed.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-05-26   9:33:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: iconoclast (#40)

I agree.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   9:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#36)

200 million Indians after my job

What, they want to sit around and post tributes to Obama all day? Poor sob's, looks like they would look for something worthwhile and productive. Speaking of which I have work to do so I bid you adieu and urge you to put down the Kook Aid. You have already had way too much.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-26   9:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

There are not many of the closet collectivists left here at 4um. The few here found a safe haven of sorts. These socialists found refuge here the last couple years because of the relentless ripping on the Bush administration.

I think some equated that with a more leftist view point of most here at 4um. To the "surprise" of these commies, most here don't buy into the fraud of the two party system.

Their straw man argument is, if you rip on Obama, then you MUST support Hillery or McCain. Since most here support neither party, their argument falls to pieces. It just blows their minds that most are what they have stated they are, true independent constitutionalists.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-05-26   10:16:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Kamala (#43)

I agree Mark. The glue that held us together was we all despised Bush and the neos. This unifier changed, for me at least, when some became obvious D cheerleaders. It's funny how they never chose to make that apparent when Bush was the target. For them, it's still about Ds v Rs and more importantly, a desire for an even larger central govt.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   10:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: iconoclast (#40)

Hill and McCain are old war horses.

Hill and McCain are old war whores.

So close.

There, fixed.

So JT is an admitted whore-lover.

I am not surprised. His current fantasy seems to be helping install a whore in the WH so that his love would look mainstream.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   10:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: James Deffenbach (#42)

What, they want to sit around and post tributes to Obama all day?

"Obama tributes?"

Posting "all day?"

You live in a dream world, my friend. More like a nightmare, apparently.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   10:47:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Jethro Tull (#44)

These collectivists love big government social and financial engineering of private citizens, and let me state this before one of these nitwits claims something else.

I'm also against the big government corporativism that has been running this country.

With that said...

My first clue was about a year ago when there was a Chavez thread going, and many were cheering for Hugo etc... Myself and another member, their name escapes me, just ripped on Hugo and the bunch that though he was so great.

He is a pure socialist/commie. I even had the resident "ambulance chaser" lawyer try and claim he had never "read" or "seen" that Hugo was a pure socialist.

Hopefully, he will ban himself and stick to the People's Red Commie Forum.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-05-26   10:53:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Kamala (#47)

My first clue was about a year ago when there was a Chavez thread going, and many were cheering for Hugo etc

I have to admit to having been taken in at the beginning. I fell off track for a spell. My hatred for BushInc was such that I didn't see the enemy here on my LEFT flank. I do now.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   11:31:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#45)

*yawn*

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   11:33:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#13)

Yes, but if Venezuela were our 51st state, all that revenue would belong to the United States of America, if it retained the same ownership model it has now, and the USA would be very close to energy self-sufficiency by the mere fact it controlled those reserves.

Why do you think "we" invaded Iraq? Aside from doing Israel's bidding, the main (and continuing) reason is to loot it of its crude oil over the next several decades.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-05-26   11:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

Obama gets a lot of free passes from the media, but so does McCain. Mad Mac didn't know the difference between a Shi'ite and Sunni Muslim, and that barely got a mention. And that was from a candidate who always talks about how strong in foreign policy he's supposed to be.

The only time a candidate is really savaged by the MSM for these kinds of gaffes is when they don't have the stamp of establishment approval. I knew that Mad Mac's "Straight Talk Express" was the Bullshit Express from the amount of support he got from the MSM, just like I know that BHO's talk about "change" is a load of bunk. If Mad Mac were really a "straight talking maverick" and BHO were a real "outsider bringing real change," they'd be ignored or ripped to pieces by the press, not promoted.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-26   12:48:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Kamala (#47) (Edited)

I don't have any sympathy for Communists of any stripe, but I also think that if a sovereign nation wants or has a Communist government, that's their business. It's not the job of the US military and US taxpayer to overthrow the dictators of other countries or to engage in "nation building."

So if the people of Venezuela have a "commie" in power or the people of Iran have a Koran-thumping nut in power, that's their business or their problem. We have enough trouble with our own corrupt government and our own religious nuts.

And you can hardly blame people in other countries for supporting dictators, whatever their ideology or however corrupt they are, who refuse to be puppets of the US these days.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-26   12:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Jethro Tull (#48)

Kamala: My first clue was about a year ago when there was a Chavez thread going, and many were cheering for Hugo etc

JT: I have to admit to having been taken in at the beginning. I fell off track for a spell. My hatred for BushInc was such that I didn't see the enemy here on my LEFT flank. I do now.

I think some posted on that You Go Hugo thread - myself included -because it was fun to hear Hugo saying the outrageously insulting things he did to Dubya - fullfilling everyone's secret fantasies. The speech to the UN about Hugo feeling the coldness of the Devil walking by was the best. Ha!

Although no doubt there were probably some posters who may have admired Hugo's politics perhaps.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-05-26   12:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: scrapper2 (#53) (Edited)

You got it. Whatever you think of Chavez's policies, I'm glad there's somebody out there who has the guts to tell Shrub to go fuck himself.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-26   12:56:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#54)

You got it. Whatever you think of Chavez's policies, I'm glad there's somebody out there who has the guts to tell Shrub to go fuck himself.

My all time Great Hope fantasy was for Hugo to challenge our Fearless Leader to a mano-e-mano rumble. hee hee

Hugo of course is a genuine for real army paratrooper whereas Shrub's military past amounts to being a human mannequin who wore a too tight flight suit one day for a photo shoot on a navy ship.

Would that not be a funny fight to watch? How many seconds do you think it would take before Fearless Leader would wet his flight suit and the referee would need to call off the rumble of the ages?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-05-26   13:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: scrapper2 (#53)

Although no doubt there were probably some posters who may have admired Hugo's politics perhaps

No question about it. If they adore Obama, they must love Chavez as well. They had me fooled.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   14:02:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#51)

McCain's insane open border policy is enough for reasonable people to wish him a massive and fatal MI. I'm sorry for the blunt, but this isn't anything I wouldn't say to the little nuts face.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   14:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Kamala, a vast rightwing conspirator (#43)

There are not many of the closet collectivists left here at 4um. The few here found a safe haven of sorts. These socialists found refuge here the last couple years because of the relentless ripping on the Bush administration.

I think some equated that with a more leftist view point of most here at 4um. To the "surprise" of these commies, most here don't buy into the fraud of the two party system.

Their straw man argument is, if you rip on Obama, then you MUST support Hillery or McCain. Since most here support neither party, their argument falls to pieces. It just blows their minds that most are what they have stated they are, true independent constitutionalists.

you nailed it, Mark.

vast, what don't you democrats get about us not harping on the sins of hillary and mccain/bush when we've been doing that for the last 8 yrs, for some 16, if you include the clinton years. so drop that talking point. it only makes you look silly and desperate.

christine  posted on  2008-05-26   14:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: christine (#58)

Christine, could you be a bit more specific on what I am 'desperate' about? Is there something that I stand to lose or... what is it? Silly, I understand. It's a subjective observation and everyone is entitled to subjectivity - that being the only way most if not all of us relate to reality. But 'desperate'? It's a very powerful concept describing a state of mind that brings in my head images of Greek (or, like W would say... Grecian) tragedies.

On you calling me 'you democrats', I must admit that I am still registered with the Demos. I did so a couple of months ago because I wanted to vote for Obama, which I did. I also wrote in my kids and my deceased dog for other positions. I am likely to stay a registered demo until I feel like I wish to vote in some other party's primary. But, if you wish to call me 'you democrats', I have no problem with that. Party membership in the USA means little to me. I stood my ground when joining or not joining something like 'the communist party' was a public act and doing one or the other meant submission and public humiliation or proud but very risky independence. The US political process, on the other hand, it's a silly carnival and it's fun observing it and joining the silliness from time to time. There is little risk and, for anyone not close to the inner circles, there's no reward either way.

Talking about silliness... all these threads on... Obama not counting the states right or... God forbid, not recalling when exactly Chavez came to power for the second time or his relationship with his neighbors or the guys his mother dated... I don't know how to call that. Maximum silliness maybe? No... that would be to light a term. How about absolute-bottom dumbness? You might not have noticed, but I participated on this thread because the content appealed to me as mildly entertaining. That should be obvious. I hope no one thought that I was seriously or angrily calling JT a 'metro-sexualist' and I never assumed that he seriously thought that I was swimming to work.

And, talking about my late dog, I wrote in for state attorney general, is everyone aware that DOG spelled backwards reads GOD? It's troubling but it's also true! Try it.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   16:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#59)

i'm simply talking about the relentless accusation by you and the other obama/democrat supporters that because we don't support him that makes us for mccain or hillary. i believe that you all would be the ones likely to support hillary against mccain if she were to secure the D nomination.

christine  posted on  2008-05-26   17:30:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#59)

I must admit that I am still registered with the Demos.

I knew it!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   18:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: christine, jethro tull (#60)

First of all, I do not do collective labeling. I might have used terms as 'ophiles' and 'ophobes' but, if you noticed that those are funny words, you would have concluded that I'm only doing it to point at the absurdity of some 'debates'.

It is true that I did ask JT - who is frantically and constantly providing articles criticizing the minutia of Obama's associations or memory lapses and presenting them as evidence of his treason, racism or worse - to indicate if he was equally criticizing Hillary or McCain. That was a reasonable line of inquiry, given that JT is one of those who (falsely) claim that there is not one iota of difference between the 3 'major' candidates to the US presidency. If they are equally terrible, I would expect that he would equally help us understand how terrible each of the three was. He confirmed that he is not criticizing McCain or Hillary, which makes me suspect that he probably loves them. He said that he's not criticizing them because they are senior politicians while Obama is new and Black. This is a very stupid argument. It's like, let's say, Lieberman declared himself as an independent candidate for the US presidency, no one should bother criticizing him because he was an old politician. Or no one should have discussed Ron Paul because he'd been politics for 20-30 years already.

I copied JT, since I described his argument that senior politicians should not be criticized as 'stupid'.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   18:29:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Jethro Tull (#61)

I must admit that I am still registered with the Demos.

I knew it!

But, unlike you, I am not a lover of the Hillory. Why do you love her so much? Is it because you get two for the price of one?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   18:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#63)

Why are you a registered D?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   18:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Jethro Tull (#64)

Yes, I registered a couple of months ago so I could vote for Dr. O. I live in PA and you can't vote in a Demo primary unless you register. I believe I discussed this important event in my life in one or more special threads at this site and elsewhere.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   18:42:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#65)

I did the same. Though tomorrow I am stopping by election central HQ and returning to the fold of the Pacific Green Party. I am for Barack Obama for POTUS, but I don't feel comfortable remaining as a returnee to the Democratic Party.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-26   18:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#65)

So now you leave those dregs, right?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   18:46:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Ferret Mike (#66)

It doesn't really matter. You don't pay dues and you don't swear loyalty to Howard Dean or to the Ghost of Lyndon Johnson.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   18:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Jethro Tull (#67)

Ahhhh.... I already announced on THIS very thread that I will register to another party if and when I feel like voting in some other party's primary. It's not worth the postage and my time to specifically unregister. And, if it costs them money sending me junk mail, the better off the nation.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   18:49:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#69)

Ahhhh.... I already announced on THIS very thread that I will register to another party if and when I feel like voting in some other party's primary.

So you're comfy now in the the cloak of a socialist. I see....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   18:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Jethro Tull (#69)

Have you been trying to sell BHO over at TOS2? Why not, otherwise?

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-26   18:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#68)

True, but I often work in an office down the hall from the Pacific Green Party HQ in Lane County. They get the data base of voters, they would notice if I stayed a Democrat. ;-)


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-26   18:56:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Jethro Tull (#70)

I don't care one way or another. As a general rule, I do what I want, when I want it, if it is doable, it's ethical and it doesn't hurt or inconvenience others needlessly.

You seem to love Hillary without being a registered Demo.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   18:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: buckeye (#71)

I lost track. Which one is TOS2? LP?

I am semi-banned there.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   18:59:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#74)

Man, don't tempt me to go over there and post some more pro-Obama threads.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-26   19:02:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: buckeye (#75)

I can't post threads there, only replies to existing posts. But I haven't exercised the privilege in quite a while.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   19:04:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#73)

I don't care one way or another.

Nor I. It's just comforting knowing the reason for the recent spat on 4um. We had a pack of Ds/leftists/socialists, who held together with us independents only in our shared hatred for Bush. Once the Selection drew near, your/their partisanship became apparent.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   19:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Obama makes Bush look smart and that is no easy task. Obama should step down and let Jeremiah Wright take over, at least with him you know what you are getting and he is a heck of a lot smarter as well.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-05-26   19:13:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Jethro Tull (#77) (Edited)

So you're calling the Hillary and McCain lovers 'independents' and those who don't love them 'socialists'? Why?

How about you call yourselves 'true patriots' or 'national heroes' or 'founding grandsons (and daughters)' and everyone else 'commie-nazis'?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   19:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: RickyJ (#78)

Ricky, you predicted that Obama would withdraw by month's end and let Hillary carry the torch of freedom. You advised me to 'watch and learn'.

Well... it's not happening. Are you prepared to admit your inability to properly relate to the generally-accepted version of reality?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   19:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

After all, if McCain made these errors on the stump, media would be claiming it to be early signs of Alzheimer's, and that would be the end of his campaign.

Obama can make these mistakes and get away with it becasue he is half black. He is not expected to be that bright by most people. Most of his white supporters think that his "goodness" makes up for his lack of intellect.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-05-26   19:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: RickyJ (#81)

McCain lover too you are?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   19:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#80)

You still support that joke? You have much to learn, much indeed.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-05-26   19:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#79)

You're a registered D and a supporter of Obama, who is a socialist.

Elementary, dear Watson.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   19:20:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: RickyJ (#81)

Most of his white supporters think that his "goodness" makes up for his lack of intellect.

His white supporters are liberals, and voting for Obama makes them "feel good."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-26   19:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: RickyJ (#81)

"...makes up for his lack of intellect."

Obama graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991. How do you do that if you 'lack intellect?'


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-26   19:23:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: RickyJ (#81) (Edited)

Most of his white supporters think that his "goodness" makes up for his lack of intellect.

LOL :)))

You must have done much better than Harvard's creme de la creme. Right? And, to address your McCain infatuation (or shall we call it love?), I bet that, in your version of reality, Annapolis bottom of the class beats Harvard's top every single day and most nights. Yes?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-26   19:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Jethro Tull (#85)

"His white supporters are liberals, and voting for Obama makes them "feel good.""

His support comes from people getting to know the contents of his character and the man inside. Voting for a mere icon as you claim people are doing does not build or stay this sustained as his run for the White House has been.

All you have with your guilt label is an empty concept that will be swept away profoundly with the Obama presidency.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-26   19:28:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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