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Title: Survey finds Jewish voters back Obama over McCain
Source: Jerusalem Post
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Published: May 11, 2008
Author: HILARY LEILA KRIEGER
Post Date: 2008-05-26 19:04:15 by Jethro Tull
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Survey finds Jewish voters back Obama over McCain

Jerusalem Post

05-11-2008

Headline: Survey finds Jewish voters back Obama over McCain
Byline: HILARY LEILA KRIEGER, Jerusalem Post correspondent
Edition; Daily
Section: News
Page: 05

Sunday, May 11, 2008 -- WASHINGTON - A new Gallup survey found that 61% of Jewish voters prefer Obama to McCain, who got 32% of the Jewish support.

That number is far greater than the rate found for the general population, who only preferred Obama to McCain 45- 43, according to the poll. Obama also still trails Clinton in Jewish support, according to the survey, with Clinton winning against Obama in the Jewish community 50%-43%.

Though the results showed Obama is favored by the Jewish community, the Republican Jewish Coalition pounced on them to attack Obama.

"In 2004, John Kerry received 75% of the Jewish vote and George W. Bush received 25%. The recent polling numbers demonstrate Obama's weakness among Jewish voters. This data comes on the heels of the exit poll data from the Democratic primary in Pennsylvania. Hillary Clinton beat Obama among Jewish voters 62%-38%," said RJC Executive Director Matt Brooks.

But the Obama campaign dismissed his comments, with one adviser calling it, "a desperate attempt to squeeze one drop of lemonade out of a mountain of lemons."

Both candidates released statements honoring Israel's 60th birthday. While Clinton, down in delegates and running out of opportunities to pull off a come-from-behind victory, campaigned in upcoming primary states Thursday, Obama was expected to make remarks at the Israel's Washington embassy Independence Day celebration. US Vice President Dick Cheney was the scheduled keynote speaker.

Ahead of the embassy event, The Israel Project presented poll findings showing record support for Israel, with 71% of those surveyed saying America should support Israel in contrast to only 8% for Palestinians, with 14% saying they were uncertain. That's an overwhelming leap from 2002, when just 24% agreed with that sentiment. Though only 2% thought America should support the Palestinian side of the conflict, back then 68% of respondents said neither should be supported or that they didn't know which side to back.

Americans supporters of McCain back Israel in higher numbers than those supporting either of his two Democratic competitors, Obama and Clinton, whose supporters back Israel by similar amounts, according to the survey.

While 78% of McCain voters said they favored Israel as opposed to only 4% who chose the Palestinians, those who backed Obama for president favored Israel over the Palestinians 46%-14%. When matched up with Clinton, McCain voters backed Israel versus the Palestinians 77%-6%, while Clinton's voters broke down 48%-12%.

The numbers are reflective of the stronger support of Republicans generally for Israel found by the poll, which prominent pollsters Stanley Greenberg, a Democrat, and Neil Newhouse, a Republican, conducted of 800 voters in March on behalf of The Israel Project, a pro-Israel advocacy organization.

Greenberg attributed the greater amount of Republican support for Israel to the influence of the years of US President George W. Bush's strong backing of the Jewish state, the growing pool of religious conservatives who are increasingly attentive to Israel's centrality in their religion, and the sense of a shared security threat from Islamic terrorism.

The pollsters added that while support for Israel between adherents of the two parties had once been relatively even, it wasn't that Democratic numbers came down over the years but that Republican numbers have gone up.

The version of the poll that was released did not show the breakdown in intensity of support between respondents belonging to the two parties.

While Republicans and Democrats both overwhelmingly favored Israel's use of checkpoints (Republicans at 87% and Democrats at 72%), on the topic of Jerusalem, Republicans wanted the city to remain united by 72%-18%, while Democrats split 47%-30%.

A similarly sharp distinction arose concerning Israel's obligation to provide Gaza with humanitarian services despite the territory being controlled by an entity, Hamas, that wants to destroy Israel. Forty-eight percent of Democrats thought Israel was obliged to provide this assistance and 37% said it was not, almost the opposite of Republicans, of whom only 34% felt Israel was obliged to provide help and 58% felt it was not.

When it came to the candidates, McCain's supporters placed the issue of terrorism much higher on their list of priorities than Democratic voters did. Thirty-eight percent of his backers named it as one of the two top challenges America faces, while only 6% and 5% of Obama and Clinton supporters, respectively, did.

I believe that the context is that Jews tend to support the Demo in the 70%+. And not all the Jews are Zionazis. I suspect McCain gets the Zios' lion share.

That is a heck of an endorsement for John McCain in my eyes. Thanks Jews for helping me decide which puppet is the least likely to suck your ass constantly.

Doesn't really matter though. Hillary is destined to be the nominee despite the MSM build up of Obama. Obama without the Jews propaganda machine building him up wouldn't win dog catcher in most of America.

Isn't it hilarious the way the PILES have ducked and dodged this issue? Obama is their ~~boy~~ goy.

The day the Titanic becomes availible for a victory cruise, Hillary will be the nominee in 2008. Not before.

Of course since 2002 there has been a massive bombardment from the Presstitutes and varied and sundry Mediawhores of anti-arab/anti-muslim fear mongering and disinformation/Black PR.

Of course you'll never hear about what it is really like for the Palestinians and the Naziesque policies of the Marxist-Fascist Police State of Israhell.

You won't hear about the children murdered by the Israeli Storm Troopers, nor will you see in the Amurkin' Media how the IDF has razed Palestinian farms and orchards to help starve the Palestinians out.

Israel is a Criminal Country and its entire leadership should be put before a war crimes tribunal not unlike Nuremburg because their crimes are of the same kind and they are working on bringing it up to equal scale.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Don't be so sure that Dem voting Jews are peaceniks, when it comes to Israel. Israel's national anthem is still sung at every service in Reform synagogues and Orthodox synagogues alike.

Also Obama agreed to have himself humiliated at an interview he gave to Jeffrey Goldberg et al about his position on Israel:

I didn't say that, did I? I only noted that, traditionally, the Demos get more Jew support than Obama is at this time. I also noted that not all the Jews are Zios. I also expressed my suspicion that McCain might be leading with the Zios even though, it's true, Obama is currently making a major effort to persuade more Zios to vote for him.

Most Jews are bombarded with pro-Israel Propaganda and are threatened by peer pressure and isolation from the larger Jewish Community if they dare to even question Israel's behavior.

Look at what was done to Norman Finkelstein, the son of Holocaust survivors, for his apostasy from the one true faith of Israel Worship.

Israel was and continues to be a secular creation of the House of Rothschild and is purely and simply a criminal business enterprise. The top tier of Zionazis know this and the rest are suckers that are kept in line with threats.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

I believe I invented that word, a couple of years ago, when the media was bombarded with 'islamo-fascist' which is a lot less elegant word.

I don't recall where I first picked up the term but it was over on El Pee several years ago.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Which would seem to indicate that it is a logical construction - and is certainly appropriate.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

As most of us of the Old Right have been saying for years: all of the Jewish ass kissing the Republicans have been doing will eventually avail them absolutely zilch; the Jews, no matter how well off, are socialists or even semi-communists and will forever vote Democratic.

They will rejoice at any opportunity to sell an AIPAC-ordained candidate as "less preferential to Israel."

Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Sind des Glückes Unterpfand;
Blüh' im Glanze dieses Glückes,
Blühe, deutsches Vaterland.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

I first learned about it recently when it was mentioned on philip weiss's blog. No one corrected the observation by this poster, and as you know philip weiss is Jewish as are several of his regular posters, so I assumed it's true...

http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/05/american-jews-are-double- agents.html

"...phil, i know of no other ethnicity in america other than jews at their synagogues, that sings the national anthem of another nation while worshiping in america.

the jews in their synagogues sing the israeli national anthem, catholics dont sing the italian national anthem in their churches neither do other catholics from other nations sing theirs..plus i have never seen the anglican churches promoting nationalism under the roof of their churches..."

Toss in the Hispanics too. The Bush/McCain love affair with the illegals will eventually explode in their faces. They'll gravitate to the socialists.

If that's what you think they'll do, then they normally have a gamut of choices in either party regardless of the political race in question.

Obama speaks to Jewish voters, backing Israeli positions in peace talks with Palestinians

Obama said he opposes the "literal" return of Palestinian refugees to homes they fled in Israel. This position is similar to Israel's stance in the talks, which were renewed after a U.S.-hosted peace conference in November.

The party of diversity, political correctness, affirmative action will get the lion's share.

So Obama refuses to recognize Palestine's right to exist? How many bricks is he willing to pledge for a gas chamber?

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

I just want good railroad workers, who cares if they all happen to to be ~~Chinese~~ German?

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Morons teach their children to hate us, we're left with no option but to make them fear us as well.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

To be fair, the Catholics do pledge allegiance to the Pope who is the head of a theoretical state, the Vatican (not Italy). Like Stalin observed, the Pope has no 'divisions' (they stress unity) but he does command some degree of loyalty from the flocks. I don't know if the Vatican has a national anthem but the Vatican has a big say of what is said or preached in the Catholic churches.

I, personally, have no problem with this. People are free to adopt or reject the Catholic faith and there is not much, other than peer pressure, that the Vatican can do to enforce its edicts. The state of Israel, on the other hand, has armies, nukes and the Mossad.

I think you go far beyond "being fair" when you attempt to show moral equivalence between Jewish Americans singing Israel's national anthem in their synagogues and Catholic Americans saying prayers for the Pope who is their spiritual head of their church.

US Jews are not politically monolithic. But with some exceptions, most fall into one of the following two groups:

1) Jewish Liberals. Many are pro-Israel, but liberal domestic policy is more important to them than Zionism. They'd vote for a candidate who's weak on Israel as long as he's pro- abortion, pro-gay, pro-affirmative action, pro- welfare, and so on.

2) Jewish neoconservatives and the ultra-Orthodox. For them, Israel is their first and only priority.

Group #1 will support Obama, Group #2 will support McCain. Most of the Jews that I've know personally fall into the first group.

You are quite right. Jewish Americans are bombarded with scary "there's a Hitler under your bed/mini-Hitlers are threatening Israel" propaganda from leaders in their ethnic community as we are with the scary "WOT/Islamofascism" prop from our political leaders.

As a Roman Catholic who went to Catholic schools for the first 12 years of my education, not only have I never pledged allegiance to the Pope, I was never asked to.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

For the first several decades of united Italy, there was great hostility between the Catholic Church and the Italian monarchy, which was, to a certain extent, anticlerical, and which had taken away from the Pope's rule most of his secular realm of the Papal States in central Italy (leaving only Vatican City). Not until Mussolini signed a concordat with the Church did this hostility more or less end.

And I’ve learned after many years in Los Angeles that many of the ultra-liberals can be quite hostile toward Israel; i.e. “Israel is making everyone hate us.”

I see. I suppose the Pope's authority as the ruler of the sovereign country of Vatican and head of the Catholic church is disputable.