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Title: A Conservative For Obama?
Source: Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish
URL Source: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.c ... ish/2008/05/who-am-i.html#more
Published: May 27, 2008
Author: Andrew Sullivan
Post Date: 2008-05-27 13:26:19 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 473
Comments: 28

A Conservative For Obama?

27 May 2008 12:56 pm

Packer attempts to summarize me:

Sullivan, a Burkean by philosophy but a radical by temperament, is the most interesting critic of his former conservative allies, and I’ve learned a lot about conservatism agonistes from reading his blog. He says that conservatism isn’t about solving problems but about recognizing the limits of man’s ability to do so, especially in the form of organized activity called government. His breakdown can’t help stacking the deck: conservatism is modest, skeptical, narrowly focussed on what can be done; liberalism tries, promiscuously, to satisfy everyone’s needs. Sullivan believes that the Republican Party went astray when it forgot its philosophical principles and started throwing more feed at the hogs of the electorate than Democrats. He is, in the terms of my article, a purist rather than a reformist, but his unhappiness with the movement is so great that it’s driven him into the arms of his exact opposite, Barack Obama, who is philosophically liberal and temperamentally conservative.

Sullivan knows that his Oakeshottian version of conservatism is a very hard sell in a country that expects problems to come with solutions, and he seems to acknowledge that its future here belongs with the reformists like David Brooks, Ross Douthat, and Reihan Salam, who are readier than he is to accept that people have a right to want their government to improve their lives, not just to instruct them in the vanity of human effort. I read Sullivan every day, partly to find out how far his disenchantment will carry him in the very strange direction of Obama-style uplift—how long his temperament will win out over his ideas.

It's a little hard to know how to respond to such a perceptive critique. But, yeah, it's true. Intellectually, I find so much of Obama's substance domestically to be anathema. (This is not true of his tilt back toward realism and diplomacy in foreign policy, which could be seen as a return to conservative principles after Bush's Wilsonianism). I haven't sat through a single Obama speech without ideologically wincing at something. I fear that in the general election, his recourse to liberal tropes will begin to wear thin.

So why do I find myself still longing for him to win?

Because, I can't see how domestic policy could become more statist and less responsible than the past eight years. Because I want to see such a record punished with electoral defeat for fear they still don't know what they did wrong. Because I think Obama's diplomatic skills and public relations brilliance could serve this country very well. And because of what Obama represents in our collective consciousness.

His candidacy is about renewing what America means to the world and to itself. It is about a collective cultural healing - especially on race. It is about representing the next generation and America's less domineering but more inspiring place among nations. It is about transparency in government. It is about getting past this brutal cultural polarization for a while. It is about putting reason back into our discourse after the emotional manipulation of the Morris-Rove era. It is about ending torture, restoring Constitutional balance, and adding the power of words, of great words, to restore hope again. :

This may sound lofty, but I do not think it is lofty in the way utopian liberalism suggests. It is lofty the way Reagan was lofty and Kennedy was lofty, which transcends ideology. Set apart from their actual achievements in office (on which scale Reagan dwarfs Kennedy), they both recast this country's self-understanding - and the world's understanding of America. This shift occurs in the heart, and it is not about promising heaven on earth. It is about being all we can be at this moment in history. It is about us - not policy; our self-understanding - not self-recreation.

This is why even as I disagree with him, I want him to win. My heart says so. And the conservative part of my head has a few months to talk me out of it.

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#1. To: aristeides (#0)

Sullivan isn't conservative, not in any traditional sense.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-27   13:28:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

Sullivan isn't conservative, not in any traditional sense.

Sullivan regularly writes in praise of Oakeshott and Burke.

I think it's the neocons, the Bush followers, etc. who are not conservative, at least in any traditional sense.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-27   13:33:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: aristeides, robnoel, all (#3)

Gay, HIV+, non-American, supported Bush in the 2000 Presidential election, he endorsed Kerry for President in 2004. In 2006, he supported the Democratic Party's takeover of Congress. A conservative? Nah,,,

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-27   13:44:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

non-American

I guess you must think Burke was no conservative.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-27   13:47:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: aristeides (#5)

We're talking Sullivan.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-27   13:49:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

conservative, at least in any traditional sense

Your words.

If Burke was not a conservative in a traditional sense, I wonder who does qualify.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-27   14:01:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: aristeides (#8)

I wonder who does qualify.

American Firsters. Ron Paul, Charlie Reese, Pat Buchanan, Joe Sobran, the late Sam Francis, the paleoconservatives, warts and all.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-27   14:35:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#12) (Edited)

I wonder who does qualify.

American Firsters. Ron Paul, Charlie Reese, Pat Buchanan, Joe Sobran, the late Sam Francis, the paleoconservatives, warts and all.

But not Burke, apparently. Hmmm.

Is there some reason why all the people you list are Americans?

You hold it against Sullivan that he supported Bush in 2000, but Pat Buchanan -- who supported Bush in 2004, long after people had had a chance to see what Bush really represented -- makes your list.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-28   10:23:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: aristeides (#20)

Buchanan voted for Bush

I said, warts and all.

And so what if he did? Lots of folks on this and other forums did as well, only to now see the light. When people happen to become enlightened is a variable thing.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-28   13:05:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull (#21)

Well, you're the one who holds it against Sullivan that he supported Bush in 2000. (By 2004, he was not supporting him any longer.)

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-28   14:06:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: aristeides (#22)

See #4

Sullivan supported Kerry in '04 and the D congress takeover in '06

He's no conservative.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-28   14:38:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#24. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

Sullivan supported Kerry in '04 and the D congress takeover in '06

So you actually hold it against him that he did not support Bush in '04 and the R's in '06?

Hmmm, more or less what I've long suspected.

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