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Title: Monument To Dead Fags
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/news/picture ... 080527&channelName=newsOne#a=3
Published: May 28, 2008
Author: Dave Graham
Post Date: 2008-05-28 05:52:59 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 686
Comments: 41

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany unveiled a monument to the tens of thousands of homosexuals persecuted under the Nazis, whose laws were used to prosecute gay men for a generation after World War Two.

Berlin mayor Klaus Wowereit, who is openly gay, hailed the grey, concrete memorial as a long overdue acknowledgement of the repression of homosexuals, 50,000 of whom were convicted by Nazi courts during Adolf Hitler's 12-year dictatorship.

"The monument consecrated today is a reminder to us of the horrors of the past and draws our attention to the degree of discrimination that currently exists," Wowereit said.

"Great efforts will still need to be undertaken before the sight of two men or women kissing here or in Moscow or elsewhere on the planet is accepted by society in general."

The 600,000 euro ($950,000) cube in Berlin's central Tiergarten park stands opposite the monument to the 6 million European Jews murdered by the Nazis, and was designed by the Danish-Norwegian pairing of Michael Elmgreen and Ingar Dragset.

Nazi authorities ordered the castration of some gay men, and sent thousands more to concentration camps, many of whom were murdered or died from hunger and disease.

Until 1969, when the centre-left Social Democrats headed a government for the first time since the Weimar Republic, Nazi laws continued to be applied to prosecute homosexuals.

The country's gay and lesbian association (LSVD) said that for years German homosexuals had been cut out of the official culture of commemoration, and denied compensation.

"Commemoration must have consequences," the LSVD said in a statement. "The rehabilitation of those people who were convicted under Nazi laws must therefore be the next step."

(Writing by Dave Graham; Editing by Giles Elgood)


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I can't believe the comments I am reading here. Please tell me how persecution of anyone because of their sexual preference or practices is okay in your book. And no, I don't mean to include non-consensual acts, but rather two men or women deciding they want to get their jollies with each other than the way that you and I might decide to.

I know many homosexuals, both male and female and I can tell you their sexuality is never an issue. They generally keep it to themselves, just like most heterosexuals. They have a wide range of personalities just like heterosexuals. Every one of them I know is gainfully employed. They just happen to enjoy their sex differently.

I find it hypocritical for people to be posting in a site devoted to individual freedoms to be so critical of people exercising some of that individual freedom. And as far as the gay pride parades, I simply laugh at them. But then I'm not a sexually repressed Puritan afraid of seeing the human body. Neither am I Beavis, sniggering every time someone exposes a nipple or butt cheek.

Grow up people.

Jeffersonish  posted on  2008-06-19   0:32:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jeffersonish, Ferret Mike, Zoroaster, PSUSA, noone222, Jethro Tull (#6)

I can't believe the comments I am reading here. Please tell me how persecution of anyone because of their sexual preference or practices is okay in your book.

Sigh! Stop hyperventilating. NO ONE IS BEING PERSECUTED.

However, granting people the prerogative to engage in whatever perversion they wish, with another consenting adult, does not require one to accept it or laud it. Tolerance does not require acceptance. Neither does it require anyone to find it attractive for some perv to prance around like a Prong Horn Antelope in heat.

The Gay Pride Parades are tacky and vulgar. I find nothing redeeming in a bunch of fat ugly Bull Dykes parading around topless on Harleys in some abberated aping of no class masculinity. It is funny though - in a vulgar, tasteless, and tacky way. Neither is their anything redeeming in some anorexic Drag Queen in a tu tu or two guys humping each others leg like a dog in heat. However, again it is funny - in a repellent way.

Granting that another person has the right to live their life as they wish, as long as it does not impede another's liberty, DOES NOT require acceptance of the behavior nor is commenting to that effect persecution.

You may please to take your PC attitude that non-acceptance of perverse behavior is persecution and please to insert it in the cavity which does not admit sunshine. No amount of heavy breathing outrage will turn that Sow's Ear into a Silk Purse.

I know many homosexuals, both male and female and I can tell you their sexuality is never an issue. They generally keep it to themselves, just like most heterosexuals. They have a wide range of personalities just like heterosexuals. Every one of them I know is gainfully employed. They just happen to enjoy their sex differently.

What a nicely sanitized way to put it. Were that true there would be little issue but it is not. The insistence that their perversion be accepted as "normal", the attempt to implant the idea that it is genetic (with no proof), or the insertion of it into children's education has made it a public issue. Neither does your generalization about "most homos" keeping it private hold up as such is highly situationally dependent and holds true only in environments where discretion is to their advantage.

In the end you are entitled to adopt whatever attitude you wish, and ignore as much of reality as you wish, but "include me out".

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-19   2:42:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#10)

1. "NO ONE IS BEING PERSECUTED."

2. "non-acceptance of perverse behavior "

3. "the attempt to implant the idea that it is genetic (with no proof)"

4. "or the insertion of it into children's education has made it a public issue"

reply to 1: Nobody being persecuted? Did you read the article? The whole thing was a response to the persecution that took place not just during the Nazi era but right up until the 60's. When somebody took the trouble to speak out against that persecution, people here took offense, which is by extension, supporting the persecution.

reply to 2: Perverse: Purposely deviating from what is accepted as good, proper or reasonable. (Encarta World English Dictionary). So what you are saying is homosexual sex is not good... says you, but then you're not the one experiencing it. Proper? Well, if that's the standard, then no sex is "proper" in this respect. Proper is a reference to etiquette and sex in public is never proper unless of course one has taken pains to ensure only people wanting to see public sex are present. And reasonable? For a homosexual, homosexual activity is infinitely more reasonable than heterosexual because it is what gets them off. So no, I don't buy it is perverse behavior any more than heterosexual behavior. It might seem perverse to you because you were raised to believe "that's just wrong" but then to some people seeing a woman's shoulder is just as "wrong" and in the Middle-East for instance, it could get a woman stoned to death.

reply to 3: It isn't genetic... if it were, it would have died out long ago for obvious reasons... but it is obvious to those who know enough homosexuals that they are born that way. Keeping in mind there are bisexual people who are attracted to both sexes, homosexuals generally know they are attracted to the same sex long before it manifests as a sexual thing. If you think it is a choice, imagine how repulsed you are thinking about this so-called "perversion" and imagine just how silly it seems that these people simply decide to have sex with the same gender out of some need to rebel or whatever motivation you imagine.

reply to 4: I am actually kind of with you on this one because I think they're teaching this possibly at too young an age for the kids to get it, but you have to understand it is a response to the hate. Because of stories like Matthew Shepard, it is thought by many that acceptance must be taught at a young age to prevent future senseless killings.

In general, I know it is hard to imagine now, but some day, all this will seem as harmless as a glimpse of a woman's ankle or seeing a shirtless man at the beach. You might find that repulsive, but then like I said in my original rant, it is all just the human body here which we shouldn't be having such negative reactions to.

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