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Title: Monument To Dead Fags
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/news/picture ... 080527&channelName=newsOne#a=3
Published: May 28, 2008
Author: Dave Graham
Post Date: 2008-05-28 05:52:59 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 688
Comments: 41

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany unveiled a monument to the tens of thousands of homosexuals persecuted under the Nazis, whose laws were used to prosecute gay men for a generation after World War Two.

Berlin mayor Klaus Wowereit, who is openly gay, hailed the grey, concrete memorial as a long overdue acknowledgement of the repression of homosexuals, 50,000 of whom were convicted by Nazi courts during Adolf Hitler's 12-year dictatorship.

"The monument consecrated today is a reminder to us of the horrors of the past and draws our attention to the degree of discrimination that currently exists," Wowereit said.

"Great efforts will still need to be undertaken before the sight of two men or women kissing here or in Moscow or elsewhere on the planet is accepted by society in general."

The 600,000 euro ($950,000) cube in Berlin's central Tiergarten park stands opposite the monument to the 6 million European Jews murdered by the Nazis, and was designed by the Danish-Norwegian pairing of Michael Elmgreen and Ingar Dragset.

Nazi authorities ordered the castration of some gay men, and sent thousands more to concentration camps, many of whom were murdered or died from hunger and disease.

Until 1969, when the centre-left Social Democrats headed a government for the first time since the Weimar Republic, Nazi laws continued to be applied to prosecute homosexuals.

The country's gay and lesbian association (LSVD) said that for years German homosexuals had been cut out of the official culture of commemoration, and denied compensation.

"Commemoration must have consequences," the LSVD said in a statement. "The rehabilitation of those people who were convicted under Nazi laws must therefore be the next step."

(Writing by Dave Graham; Editing by Giles Elgood)


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#6. To: All (#0)

I can't believe the comments I am reading here. Please tell me how persecution of anyone because of their sexual preference or practices is okay in your book. And no, I don't mean to include non-consensual acts, but rather two men or women deciding they want to get their jollies with each other than the way that you and I might decide to.

I know many homosexuals, both male and female and I can tell you their sexuality is never an issue. They generally keep it to themselves, just like most heterosexuals. They have a wide range of personalities just like heterosexuals. Every one of them I know is gainfully employed. They just happen to enjoy their sex differently.

I find it hypocritical for people to be posting in a site devoted to individual freedoms to be so critical of people exercising some of that individual freedom. And as far as the gay pride parades, I simply laugh at them. But then I'm not a sexually repressed Puritan afraid of seeing the human body. Neither am I Beavis, sniggering every time someone exposes a nipple or butt cheek.

Grow up people.

Jeffersonish  posted on  2008-06-19   0:32:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jeffersonish (#6)

I find it hypocritical for people to be posting in a site devoted to individual freedoms to be so critical of people exercising some of that individual freedom.

There are limits in civilized society, and open acceptance of homosexuality is wrong. "Growing up" doesn't mean flinging common sense in the gutter. Please don't present yourself as some enlightened individual just because you've lost your mind.

"George Washington, the nation's first Commander-in-Chief, held a strong opinion on this subject and gave a clear statement of his views on it in his general orders for March 14, 1778:

At a General Court Martial whereof Colo. Tupper was President (10th March 1778), Lieutt. Enslin of Colo. Malcom's Regiment [was] tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; Secondly, For Perjury in swearing to false accounts, [he was] found guilty of the charges exhibited against him, being breaches of 5th. Article 18th. Section of the Articles of War and [we] do sentence him to be dismiss'd [from] the service with infamy. His Excellency the Commander in Chief approves the sentence and with abhorrence and detestation of such infamous crimes orders Lieutt. Enslin to be drummed out of camp tomorrow morning by all the drummers and fifers in the Army never to return; The drummers and fifers [are] to attend on the Grand Parade at Guard mounting for that Purpose.

General Washington held a clear understanding of the rules for order and discipline, and as the original Commander-in-Chief, he was the first not only to forbid, but even to punish, homosexuals in the military."

X-15  posted on  2008-06-19   2:08:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: X-15 (#9)

1. "George Washington, the nation's first Commander-in-Chief, held a strong opinion on this subject and gave a clear statement of his views on it in his general orders for March 14, 1778:

At a General Court Martial whereof Colo. Tupper was President (10th March 1778), Lieutt. Enslin of Colo. Malcom's Regiment [was] tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; ..."

2. "There are limits in civilized society, and open acceptance of homosexuality is wrong."

reply to 1: George Washington also had slaves. Does that mean it is a morally upstanding thing to own slaves? No. Our morals keep evolving as we become more civilized. Acceptance of homosexuality is just such a moral evolution.

reply to 2: Yes there are limits in a civilized society... Those limits boil down to the swinging fist rule... I have the right to swing my fist all day long until it comes into contact with something like your face. As long as there is no harm done to you, then you, through government don't have the right to restrict what I do.

Jeffersonish  posted on  2008-06-19   9:33:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jeffersonish (#18) (Edited)

Our morals keep evolving as we become more civilized. Acceptance of homosexuality is just such a moral evolution.

It's hardly a natural evolution when the radical homosexual agenda is a tenant of the MSM, college campuses and elite. To make matters worse, this "evolution" is buttressed by legislation in the form of hate law, which is violation of my 1st Amendment rights.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-19   9:41:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#19)

It's hardly a natural evolution when the radical homosexual agenda is a tenant of the MSM, college campuses and elite. To make matters worse, this "evolution" is buttressed by legislation in the form of hate law, which is violation of my 1st Amendment rights.

The evolution of which I speak is more of a process in which we examine our moral values and ferret out those which have been exposed as either never having had moral standing, or based on circumstances no longer existent in modern society. When something doesn't make sense morally, it matters not whether the MSM, the government or religious figures attempt to change it (well actually, the government usually makes it worse by trying to fix it, but that's another thread) -- what matters is that we recognize the error of our ways and move forward into a society that makes more sense.

Your comment about hate laws and the first amendment are right on. The only entity that should not be allowed to discriminate is the government. Private speech and association are rightfully protected by the 1st amendment and are fundamental to individual freedom.

I also think churches and all non-profits should not have to worry about tax status based on what they say, promote, etc. I think that should be because we don't have income tax, but given that we do, there should be no special privileges for those who give up their first amendment rights.

Jeffersonish  posted on  2008-06-19   10:37:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jeffersonish (#26)

Your comment about hate laws and the first amendment are right on. The only entity that should not be allowed to discriminate is the government. Private speech and association are rightfully protected by the 1st amendment and are fundamental to individual freedom.

i wholeheartedly agree.

christine  posted on  2008-06-19   11:47:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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