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Title: Monument To Dead Fags
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/news/picture ... 080527&channelName=newsOne#a=3
Published: May 28, 2008
Author: Dave Graham
Post Date: 2008-05-28 05:52:59 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 687
Comments: 41

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany unveiled a monument to the tens of thousands of homosexuals persecuted under the Nazis, whose laws were used to prosecute gay men for a generation after World War Two.

Berlin mayor Klaus Wowereit, who is openly gay, hailed the grey, concrete memorial as a long overdue acknowledgement of the repression of homosexuals, 50,000 of whom were convicted by Nazi courts during Adolf Hitler's 12-year dictatorship.

"The monument consecrated today is a reminder to us of the horrors of the past and draws our attention to the degree of discrimination that currently exists," Wowereit said.

"Great efforts will still need to be undertaken before the sight of two men or women kissing here or in Moscow or elsewhere on the planet is accepted by society in general."

The 600,000 euro ($950,000) cube in Berlin's central Tiergarten park stands opposite the monument to the 6 million European Jews murdered by the Nazis, and was designed by the Danish-Norwegian pairing of Michael Elmgreen and Ingar Dragset.

Nazi authorities ordered the castration of some gay men, and sent thousands more to concentration camps, many of whom were murdered or died from hunger and disease.

Until 1969, when the centre-left Social Democrats headed a government for the first time since the Weimar Republic, Nazi laws continued to be applied to prosecute homosexuals.

The country's gay and lesbian association (LSVD) said that for years German homosexuals had been cut out of the official culture of commemoration, and denied compensation.

"Commemoration must have consequences," the LSVD said in a statement. "The rehabilitation of those people who were convicted under Nazi laws must therefore be the next step."

(Writing by Dave Graham; Editing by Giles Elgood)


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#6. To: All (#0)

I can't believe the comments I am reading here. Please tell me how persecution of anyone because of their sexual preference or practices is okay in your book. And no, I don't mean to include non-consensual acts, but rather two men or women deciding they want to get their jollies with each other than the way that you and I might decide to.

I know many homosexuals, both male and female and I can tell you their sexuality is never an issue. They generally keep it to themselves, just like most heterosexuals. They have a wide range of personalities just like heterosexuals. Every one of them I know is gainfully employed. They just happen to enjoy their sex differently.

I find it hypocritical for people to be posting in a site devoted to individual freedoms to be so critical of people exercising some of that individual freedom. And as far as the gay pride parades, I simply laugh at them. But then I'm not a sexually repressed Puritan afraid of seeing the human body. Neither am I Beavis, sniggering every time someone exposes a nipple or butt cheek.

Grow up people.

Jeffersonish  posted on  2008-06-19   0:32:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jeffersonish, All (#6) (Edited)

I can't believe the comments I am reading here. Please tell me how persecution of anyone because of their sexual preference or practices is okay in your book. And no, I don't mean to include non-consensual acts, but rather two men or women deciding they want to get their jollies with each other than the way that you and I might decide to.

I am not persecuting anyone. I have beams in my own eye that need removal. The difference is, I dont go out in public and throw my sin at other people and have the gall to demand others accept it.

But if you dont see homosexuality as a sin, then you won't agree with me, Try thinking of it as a public health issue instead.

You said:

"I know many homosexuals, both male and female and I can tell you their sexuality is never an issue. They generally keep it to themselves, just like most heterosexuals. They have a wide range of personalities just like heterosexuals. Every one of them I know is gainfully employed. They just happen to enjoy their sex differently. "

You can say the same things about rapists and pedophiles, and many serial killers.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-06-19   7:55:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: PSUSA (#15)

But if you dont see homosexuality as a sin, then you won't agree with me, Try thinking of it as a public health issue instead.

You said:

"I know many homosexuals, both male and female and I can tell you their sexuality is never an issue. They generally keep it to themselves, just like most heterosexuals. They have a wide range of personalities just like heterosexuals. Every one of them I know is gainfully employed. They just happen to enjoy their sex differently. "

You can say the same things about rapists and pedophiles, and many serial killers.

True, I don't think in terms of sin... I think in terms of morality. Okay... so public health issue. There is nothing inherently unhealthy about homosexuality. Some sex acts that many of them engage in more often than heteros can be without proper precautions, but one of the biggest reasons AIDS has spread so much has to do with the Catholic Church in Africa refusing to teach people about condoms, and the sex that spreads AIDS most there is hetero sex. If there were no homosexual sex activities going on, HIV would still be transmitted.

RE: rapists and pedophiles and serial killers -- the big difference is the word "consensual." Rapists and serial killers by definition are violating others' rights by committing a non-consensual assault on another individual. Pedophiles technically doesn't describe a non-consensual act because it only defines what a person likes. Of course you probably mean a child molester or statuatory rapist and since we have declared children can't give consent and we understand an arbitrary age is necessary to provide clear guidance on who can and can't give consent, they too are guilty of non-consensual acts, so your comparison to people engaging in consensual homosexuality falls flat.

Jeffersonish  posted on  2008-06-19   10:26:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jeffersonish (#25)

True, I don't think in terms of sin... I think in terms of morality. Okay... so public health issue. There is nothing inherently unhealthy about homosexuality. Some sex acts that many of them engage in more often than heteros can be without proper precautions, but one of the biggest reasons AIDS has spread so much has to do with the Catholic Church in Africa refusing to teach people about condoms, and the sex that spreads AIDS most there is hetero sex. If there were no homosexual sex activities going on, HIV would still be transmitted.

True, It seems to be more thru prostitution than homosexual sex, which is a BIG taboo in most, if not all, African countries. Moreso than it is here. The infection rate is Swaziland is at 33%+

www.avert.org/aids- swaziland.htm

As far as the diseases more associated with homosexuality

www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov...render.fcgi?artid=1619854

So dont tell me that "there is nothing inherently unhealthy about homosexuality". That is not true.

I as not saying that homosexuals were comparable to pedophiles or rapists. You tried to make the point that just because they keep it to themselves than that means it is all OK. My point was that just because some of them are private about it, doesnt make it right. It didnt fall flat, I just didn't make it clear.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-06-19   11:06:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: PSUSA (#29)

"I as not saying that homosexuals were comparable to pedophiles or rapists."

>>You can say the same things about rapists and pedophiles, and many serial killers.

Hmmmm, comparable vs. "Can say the same thing about" Sounds like you're splitting hairs.

Jeffersonish  posted on  2008-06-19   11:52:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jeffersonish (#36)

It does sound that way, but I already said I know I was not clear about what I was saying.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-06-19   11:53:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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