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Title: Monument To Dead Fags
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/news/picture ... 080527&channelName=newsOne#a=3
Published: May 28, 2008
Author: Dave Graham
Post Date: 2008-05-28 05:52:59 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 674
Comments: 41

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany unveiled a monument to the tens of thousands of homosexuals persecuted under the Nazis, whose laws were used to prosecute gay men for a generation after World War Two.

Berlin mayor Klaus Wowereit, who is openly gay, hailed the grey, concrete memorial as a long overdue acknowledgement of the repression of homosexuals, 50,000 of whom were convicted by Nazi courts during Adolf Hitler's 12-year dictatorship.

"The monument consecrated today is a reminder to us of the horrors of the past and draws our attention to the degree of discrimination that currently exists," Wowereit said.

"Great efforts will still need to be undertaken before the sight of two men or women kissing here or in Moscow or elsewhere on the planet is accepted by society in general."

The 600,000 euro ($950,000) cube in Berlin's central Tiergarten park stands opposite the monument to the 6 million European Jews murdered by the Nazis, and was designed by the Danish-Norwegian pairing of Michael Elmgreen and Ingar Dragset.

Nazi authorities ordered the castration of some gay men, and sent thousands more to concentration camps, many of whom were murdered or died from hunger and disease.

Until 1969, when the centre-left Social Democrats headed a government for the first time since the Weimar Republic, Nazi laws continued to be applied to prosecute homosexuals.

The country's gay and lesbian association (LSVD) said that for years German homosexuals had been cut out of the official culture of commemoration, and denied compensation.

"Commemoration must have consequences," the LSVD said in a statement. "The rehabilitation of those people who were convicted under Nazi laws must therefore be the next step."

(Writing by Dave Graham; Editing by Giles Elgood)


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#6. To: All (#0)

I can't believe the comments I am reading here. Please tell me how persecution of anyone because of their sexual preference or practices is okay in your book. And no, I don't mean to include non-consensual acts, but rather two men or women deciding they want to get their jollies with each other than the way that you and I might decide to.

I know many homosexuals, both male and female and I can tell you their sexuality is never an issue. They generally keep it to themselves, just like most heterosexuals. They have a wide range of personalities just like heterosexuals. Every one of them I know is gainfully employed. They just happen to enjoy their sex differently.

I find it hypocritical for people to be posting in a site devoted to individual freedoms to be so critical of people exercising some of that individual freedom. And as far as the gay pride parades, I simply laugh at them. But then I'm not a sexually repressed Puritan afraid of seeing the human body. Neither am I Beavis, sniggering every time someone exposes a nipple or butt cheek.

Grow up people.

Jeffersonish  posted on  2008-06-19   0:32:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#7. To: Jeffersonish (#6)

Thank you for the outstanding post, and I am in full agreement. Being heterosexual or homosexual is an individual trait nobody with any maturity and intelligence uses as a wedge issue to try to manipulate others by creating fear that compels them to accept a poisonous political agenda.

I have many dear and important gay and lesbian friends. I stand with them in their struggle against mindless bigotry that poisons and contaminates everything it touches.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-06-19 00:52:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jeffersonish (#6)

I find it hypocritical for people to be posting in a site devoted to individual freedoms to be so critical of people exercising some of that individual freedom.

There are limits in civilized society, and open acceptance of homosexuality is wrong. "Growing up" doesn't mean flinging common sense in the gutter. Please don't present yourself as some enlightened individual just because you've lost your mind.

"George Washington, the nation's first Commander-in-Chief, held a strong opinion on this subject and gave a clear statement of his views on it in his general orders for March 14, 1778:

At a General Court Martial whereof Colo. Tupper was President (10th March 1778), Lieutt. Enslin of Colo. Malcom's Regiment [was] tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; Secondly, For Perjury in swearing to false accounts, [he was] found guilty of the charges exhibited against him, being breaches of 5th. Article 18th. Section of the Articles of War and [we] do sentence him to be dismiss'd [from] the service with infamy. His Excellency the Commander in Chief approves the sentence and with abhorrence and detestation of such infamous crimes orders Lieutt. Enslin to be drummed out of camp tomorrow morning by all the drummers and fifers in the Army never to return; The drummers and fifers [are] to attend on the Grand Parade at Guard mounting for that Purpose.

General Washington held a clear understanding of the rules for order and discipline, and as the original Commander-in-Chief, he was the first not only to forbid, but even to punish, homosexuals in the military."

X-15  posted on  2008-06-19 02:08:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jeffersonish, Ferret Mike, Zoroaster, PSUSA, noone222, Jethro Tull (#6)

I can't believe the comments I am reading here. Please tell me how persecution of anyone because of their sexual preference or practices is okay in your book.

Sigh! Stop hyperventilating. NO ONE IS BEING PERSECUTED.

However, granting people the prerogative to engage in whatever perversion they wish, with another consenting adult, does not require one to accept it or laud it. Tolerance does not require acceptance. Neither does it require anyone to find it attractive for some perv to prance around like a Prong Horn Antelope in heat.

The Gay Pride Parades are tacky and vulgar. I find nothing redeeming in a bunch of fat ugly Bull Dykes parading around topless on Harleys in some abberated aping of no class masculinity. It is funny though - in a vulgar, tasteless, and tacky way. Neither is their anything redeeming in some anorexic Drag Queen in a tu tu or two guys humping each others leg like a dog in heat. However, again it is funny - in a repellent way.

Granting that another person has the right to live their life as they wish, as long as it does not impede another's liberty, DOES NOT require acceptance of the behavior nor is commenting to that effect persecution.

You may please to take your PC attitude that non-acceptance of perverse behavior is persecution and please to insert it in the cavity which does not admit sunshine. No amount of heavy breathing outrage will turn that Sow's Ear into a Silk Purse.

I know many homosexuals, both male and female and I can tell you their sexuality is never an issue. They generally keep it to themselves, just like most heterosexuals. They have a wide range of personalities just like heterosexuals. Every one of them I know is gainfully employed. They just happen to enjoy their sex differently.

What a nicely sanitized way to put it. Were that true there would be little issue but it is not. The insistence that their perversion be accepted as "normal", the attempt to implant the idea that it is genetic (with no proof), or the insertion of it into children's education has made it a public issue. Neither does your generalization about "most homos" keeping it private hold up as such is highly situationally dependent and holds true only in environments where discretion is to their advantage.

In the end you are entitled to adopt whatever attitude you wish, and ignore as much of reality as you wish, but "include me out".

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-19 02:42:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jeffersonish (#6)

But then I'm not a sexually repressed Puritan afraid of seeing the human body. Neither am I Beavis, sniggering every time someone exposes a nipple or butt cheek.

The above is just another example of people that are so loving and caring, non biased, on and on, and then you have the audacity in the same post to lay out your own bias, dislike, hate or whatever.

Look in the mirror, you do not see a "sexually repressed Puritan", what do you see?

We know what we see from your own posting, your own words.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-19 03:42:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jeffersonish, All (#6) (Edited)

I can't believe the comments I am reading here. Please tell me how persecution of anyone because of their sexual preference or practices is okay in your book. And no, I don't mean to include non-consensual acts, but rather two men or women deciding they want to get their jollies with each other than the way that you and I might decide to.

I am not persecuting anyone. I have beams in my own eye that need removal. The difference is, I dont go out in public and throw my sin at other people and have the gall to demand others accept it.

But if you dont see homosexuality as a sin, then you won't agree with me, Try thinking of it as a public health issue instead.

You said:

"I know many homosexuals, both male and female and I can tell you their sexuality is never an issue. They generally keep it to themselves, just like most heterosexuals. They have a wide range of personalities just like heterosexuals. Every one of them I know is gainfully employed. They just happen to enjoy their sex differently. "

You can say the same things about rapists and pedophiles, and many serial killers.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-06-19 07:55:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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