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Title: John Bolton escapes citizen's arrest at Hay Festival
Source: Telegraph (UK)
URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor ... 7s-arrest-at-Hay-Festival.html
Published: May 28, 2008
Author: Stephen Adams
Post Date: 2008-05-29 02:21:25 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 392
Comments: 16

Security guards blocked the path of columnist and activist George Monbiot, who tried to make the arrest as Mr Bolton left the stage.

The former ambassador - a key advisor to President George W Bush who argued strongly in favour of invading Iraq - had been giving a talk on international relations to more than 600 people at the literary festival.

Mr Monbiot was blocked by two heavily-built security guards at the end of the one-and-a-half hour appearance, before he could serve a "charge sheet" on him.

After being released by the guards the columnist - a fierce critic of the 2003 American-led invasion - made a dash through the rain-soaked tented village in a failed attempt to catch up with Mr Bolton.

A crowd of about 20 protestors, one dressed in a latex George Bush mask, chanted "war criminal" as Mr Bolton was ushered away.

Mr Monbiot said moments later he was "disappointed" that he had been blocked from making the citizen's arrest.

"This was a serious attempt to bring one of the perpetrators of the Iraq war to justice, for what is described under the Nuremberg Principles as an international crime," he said.

During Mr Bolton's talk, to a packed-out audience, Mr Monbiot had asked Mr Bolton what difference there was between him and a Nazi war criminal.

Mr Bolton said the war was legal, partly because Iraq had failed to comply with a key and binding UN resolution after the end of the Gulf War in 1991.

On the war's legality, he added: "This is not my personal opinion, this is the opinion of the entire legal apparatus of the US government."

A citizen's arrest can be carried out under certain circumstances by a member of the public, if they believe a person had carried out a crime, under the Serious and Organised Crime and Police Act 2005.

Earlier, festival director Peter Florence had said they had sought legal advice and been told carrying out such an arrest would be "completely unlawful" given the circumstances.

He said: ""The Hay Festival encourages visitors to voice their opinions, but also requires that, in their expression, they respect both the law and the speaker."

A spokesman for The Guardian, for which Mr Monbiot writes a regular column, said he was acting in a "personal capacity".

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#7. To: X-15 (#0)

During Mr Bolton's talk, to a packed-out audience, Mr Monbiot had asked Mr Bolton what difference there was between him and a Nazi war criminal.

Mr Bolton said the war was legal, partly because Iraq had failed to comply with a key and binding UN resolution after the end of the Gulf War in 1991.

On the war's legality, he added: "This is not my personal opinion, this is the opinion of the entire legal apparatus of the US government."

I don't think that's a difference between Bolton and a Nazi war criminal. After all, I'm sure the entire legal apparatus of Hitler's government also viewed Hitler's war as legal.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-29   11:07:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#7)

I don't think that's a difference between Bolton and a Nazi war criminal. After all, I'm sure the entire legal apparatus of Hitler's government also viewed Hitler's war as legal.

I started to write that several hours ago but hesitated because I can't recall Hitler or his peeps ever citing a single legal authority in support of a single thing! According to my American sources (which may have had a slight taint of bias) Hitler was the supreme legal authority who never felt the need to seek legal opinions! Since there were no separate but equal branches of govt serving as balance to each other, what would have been the point other than courtesy and deference to some source who would also see it for what it was and wisely sustain the Führer's opinion?

And, it's my understanding that "non Christians" had come to dominate all of the degreed professions (through nepotism and their cultural penchant for and attraction to education in well compensated fields of endeavor and enterprise) and, considering the consequences for having been so labeled it could be argued that no "good German" would dare to offer a dissenting opinion (about the invasion of Poland or, the forced labor camps for instance) lest his racial purity and/or party loyalty be called into question....

But, even without Hitler for support it can be stated (with no contrary empirical evidence likely to surface) that Bush chose his entire cabinet, not the least of which were his flak AGs because they'd reliably heave up legal opinions that would survive the challenges and appeals until the pardons are granted and the questions are moot.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-05-29   12:52:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: HOUNDDAWG (#8) (Edited)

Actually, for his declarations of war -- starting with Poland on Sept. 1, 1939, but going all the way to the declaration of war on the U.S. a couple of days after Pearl Harbor -- Hitler made sure to get authorization from the Reichstag.

And German judges did occasionally do things of which Hitler disapproved. It wasn't too good for their careers, but some of them had the courage to do it. However, it was generally on relatively minor things. Never on something as momentous as the legality of Hitler's war.

Like the criminal that he was, Hitler hated the law, and lawyers. So he seldom sought their advice. As a matter of fact, the last meeting of the Reichstag -- I forget whether it was in 1942 or '43 -- was to give Hitler supreme power to overrule judges. (His power to do that had been limited up to that point.)

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#16. To: aristeides (#11)

Very good and thank you.

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