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Title: A Visit To Waco Texas- Fifteen Years Later
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Published: May 30, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-05-30 07:28:25 by Artisan
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A Visit To Waco, TX- Fifteen Years later Waco 15 Years Later- A Visit to Mount Carmel in Waco, Texas; May 2008. I went to Texas last week and while there, went to visit the location of the infamous WACO tragedy. When I first arrived in Waco after visiting some friends in Austin, I asked some locals where the compound was. A few people pointed me in the general direction, but no one had been there or knew exact directions. One guy remarked that "it's sad that is what Waco is known for". So I stopped by the local 'Texas Ranger Museum' and went into the visitor center. They had hundreds of brochures on tourist spots displayed, but no mention of the Waco slaughter. I asked the lady behind the desk how to get to the Dr. Pepper Museum and then asked her if she knew how to get to the Waco compound. Surprisingly, she went to retrieve a map of directions to Mount Carmel which they kept behind the counter, and gave it to me. "MILITARY TRAINING MADE WACO FAMOUS" appears on state plaque We then drove to the compound. I struck me as a beautiful and serene area of Texas. CORNER HEADING TO COMPOUND. The property is straight ahead down this road, DOUBLE EE RANCH ROAD, on the right side. The house to the right is either the caretakers house or the preachers house. The church in the background behind the tree is the memorial church built after the tragedy. The house that was burned was behind and to the left of where the church is. In the foreground is the stone memorials to the victims. Texas Dept of Transportation KEEP OFF Me front of Waco memorial. I have some video of this and the reason for my sign, which I will post later also. I view this Waco atrocity as linked with 9/11 in the sense that it's another in the long history of government terrorism and abuses of the American people. Memorial to the victims While we were there a local woman drove onto the property with some friends. turns out she was a long time resident and college professor who taught at Baylor college. She said that the stones (pictured below) with the victims names were originally set out in the field towards the memorial church, with a tree being planted for each victim, but were later moved to the front and placed onto each other to form a sort of memorial wall. She said the new leader of the church and self proclaimed 'prophet' is a guy by the name of Charles Pace, and that there has been a lot of division and turmoil among the sect in recent years. She was sympathetic to the victims and disagreed strongly with what the government did. The woman relayed the chilling story of the day of the fire, April 19, 1993; she was teaching at Baylor and saw the fire live on TV in the teachers lounge, and at the same time they saw the fire out their window which was 5 miles away from the compound. She rubbed her arms as she said she still gets chills when she talks about it, the goose bumps visible on her arms as she told the story. I asked her what the local reaction was at the time; she said it was mixed. some were outraged, others thought the 'cult' 'brought it on themselves' and some kept their opinion to themselves, unlike herself, who she reiterated, was not hesitant to express her disagreement with the government action. I asked her what the current church leadership's position was on visitors to the property and she said they seem to be very open to visitors and she assumed that any visitors to the compound must be viewed as sympathetic by the property owners. Interestingly, the woman then mentioned that Timothy MckVey visited the Waco compound and was photographed there before carrying out the OKC bombing, and that it was no accident that that occured on April 19th 2 years later. the poor woman did not even seem to know that OKC was yet another government attack. So even those sympathetic to the victims at Waco do not know the whole truth. Mount Carmel is a somber and quiet place and she was there to grieve and honor the victims with her friends, so I did not feel it was the appropriate time or place to talk to her about it. Memorial blocks with all victims names, right side As we walked up the hill from the front of the property and approached the church, all of the sudden a big black lab started running towards me, chasing me. I ran back towards the car but later ventured back towards the church to take a look at it. Here is a portable bathroom that sits next to the church. Notice the little dog standing to the left of the bathroom. The photo on the right is the small pond across from the church. Church plaque and photo of signs on church door MEMORIALS TO ATF AGENTS KILLED AND OKC BOMBING VICTIMS 2 YEARS LATER 'DONT TREAD ON ME' FLAG FLYING IN FRONT OF CHURCH LEAVING WACO After leaving Mount Carmel we stopped by the Dr. Pepper Museum and then went by the masonic lodge. Below is an example of some Dr. Pepper memorabilia showcased in the museum. Entrance is $6 per person for adults. I've drank Dr. Pepper since I was a kid, but I do not recommend visiting the museum; I found it boring and a waste of money. You can, however go inside and enter the gift shop and the snack bar where you can buy a glass of the original formula Dr. Pepper, made with pure cane sugar. You can also buy bottles, or a six pack of cans of the original formula dr Pepper for less than 5 bucks. I try the original forumla of Dr. Pepper after a hot day in Waco. Delicious. More photos here Suggested documentaries on WACO: WACO: THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT Also: Waco: the Big Lie and America: WAKE UP or WACO!
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#42. To: Artisan (#0)
The Texas Rangers were just about the only group that wasn't involved. If they had been, some Texans believe, the tragedy would not have occurred. Their reputation at the time was that of grownups as opposed to the adolescent ATF.
I think it possible that the Rangers were kept out because they would have prevented the spectacle.
A caller to some talk show here said that he personally loaded four Tomahawk rockets on a 'copter that was sent to Mt.Carmel. When it returned to Ft.Hood, there were only three... Never believe that they won't fire on us.
When it returned to Ft.Hood, there were only three... Never believe that they won't fire on us. Oh, I believe it. Some have no conscience, the Lon - may he rot in hell - Whorieoochi types would do it just for the fun of it. It was interesting, and eye opening, to me that one of the SEAL Instructors, where I went to boot camp, had a way of looking at you that let you know that cutting your throat would mean no more to him than his morning shave. I have still never settled, in my own mind, what the real purpose was for the Waco Op/murder spree. Certainly it wasn't to arrest David Koresh as they could have taken him down on any of his unarmed trips into town - or his daily jog. So, we can know it was not Koresh personally that the operation was about. And I think the planted story about the ATF being worried about its budget was another false story planted as a limited hang-out to provide some sense to an otherwise psychotically insane operation. It was and is bullshit. Simply another lie to help stop questions about the motivations. There was a deeper reason, a dark one. In part I think it was to see if their murder squads would kill women and children in cold blood, and in part I think it was part of the desensitization process of preparing people here for more such murder sprees of those who are merely different. Certainly the motivation came from some psychotic level, and just as certainly it was evil incarnate.
#47. To: Original_Intent (#46)
Yours was the definitive post on this topic.
That pretty well describes todays' ATF. After the Ruby Ridge debacle, one of the ATF guys commented that their only mistake was not killing everyone and burning all the evidence.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestSo I stopped by the local 'Texas Ranger Museum' and went into the visitor center. They had hundreds of brochures on tourist spots displayed, but no mention of the Waco slaughter.
#44. To: Ada (#42)
#45. To: Original_Intent, Ada, 4 (#44)
#46. To: Lod (#45)
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A caller to some talk show here said that he personally loaded four Tomahawk rockets on a 'copter that was sent to Mt.Carmel.
Replies to Comment # 46. There was a deeper reason, a dark one. In part I think it was to see if their murder squads would kill women and children in cold blood, and in part I think it was part of the desensitization process of preparing people here for more such murder sprees of those who are merely different.
#49. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#46)
Certainly the motivation came from some psychotic level, and just as certainly it was evil incarnate.
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