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Title: Surgeon: one in three A&E patients in London has been knifed
Source: This is London
URL Source: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand ... don+has+been+knifed/article.do
Published: May 30, 2008
Author: Justin Davenport and Anna Davis
Post Date: 2008-05-30 23:37:23 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 160
Comments: 9

Knife violence in London is now running as high as gun warfare in some US cities, it is claimed today.

One of Britain's leading trauma surgeons has told how one in three of his Accident & Emergency patients is now a stabbing victim.

Karim Brohi, a consultant surgeon at the Royal London Hospital, said the proportion of injuries from knives and guns was now on a level with - if not greater than - cities such as Los Angeles or Chicago.

He described how, on occasions, the wards in his hospital resembled "a war zone" with some patients being treated for their second or third knife wound.

And - in a letter to the Evening Standard - Mr Brohi, along with two senior trauma medics, called for more prevention strategies to solve the underlying causes of knife crime.

He said there was a real "potential" for surgeons and doctors to help in the fight against crime through a variety of schemes - such as doctors visiting schools to talk about knife injuries.

Mr Brohi spoke out as an Evening Standard survey showed how casualty wards across the capital were bearing the brunt of the rise in knife crime and treating hundreds of victims each year.

A snapshot survey of wards reveals at least 424 knife victims have been treated in hospital for stab wounds so far this year, 227 of which were serious cases. The true number of victims is even higher because each hospital records cases of stabbings in different ways.

Some major trauma hospitals, such as the Royal London, show significant increases in the number of people being treated for major stab wounds.

Surgeons there have dealt with 100 major stabbings so far this year, compared to 77 in the same period last year.

Mr Brohi, one of the country's experts in dealing with knife and gunshot injuries, said the number of people being treated for knife injuries was rising almost "month on month".

His letter to the Standard was written along with two leading members of London's medical profession, the Royal London's surgical registrar Thomas Konig and Dr Anne Weaver, the lead clinician for the capital's air ambulance service.

The medics say: "We have already seen 100 major stabbings at The Royal London Hospital alone this year. This figure does not include minor cuts and lacerations that are not life threatening and are seen on a daily basis. In 2007 we saw 71 patients in the same period and 185 patients in the whole year.

"The Helicopter Emergency Medical Service provides London-wide pre-hospital care and patients are treated at various hospitals across London and they see about 30 per cent of the major stabbings that occur.

"So far this year they have attended 121 patients with a stabbing injury, 19 of whom have died on the scene. They have performed open heart surgery on 10 patients on the streets of London this year alone.

"The number of stabbings in London is unfortunately beginning to match some inner city areas of the United States.

"The dramatic rise in serious injury from people carrying knives is undoubtedly having an impact on the hospitals treating these injuries. "

The trauma experts say that underlying-social issues are behind knife crime and more needs to be done to develop prevention strategies alongside specialist trauma care. The letter states: "There is potential to reduce crime from our side if we could understand behaviour and liaise with victims and potential perpetrators. With a system that encompasses both treatment and injury prevention tactics we may go some way to improving outcome and decrease the level of violence that we are currently seeing across our city."

Mr Brohi said one option could involve reformed gang members talking to stab victims in hospital in an effort to get them to mend their ways. He also gave details of how the rate of stabbings in the capital is matching American rates. At the Royal London last year about 23 per cent of its trauma workload involved penetrating wounds - stab or gunshot wounds - but last month this figure had risen to 30 per cent.

In the United States, surgeons at hospitals in cities such as Los Angeles, Detroit and Chicago treated an average of between 25 to 30 per cent of penetrative injuries. Only in some inner city boroughs such as Brooklyn in New York was the rate higher.

Mr Brohi pointed out that in the States the majority of the wounds were caused by gunshots, while in Britain the majority were knife injuries.

He described how surgeons often felt helpless in trying to deal with the underlying problems of knife culture.

He said: "When you get as many young people in who have been stabbed, walking around the wards sometimes feels almost like being in a war zone.

"It feels unpleasant, it is fairly depressing. Some are gang members, some are innocent victims, some are not in gangs but resort to knife crime to resolve really small disputes. The ages are getting younger."

He went on: "We are a lot more than just surgeons. We have rehabilitation roles too. If you are involved in treating Aids or TB then you have a moral duty to be involved in preventing these diseases as well as treating them.

"It is our duty as health care workers to reduce the problem that is out there. That may mean working in schools helping educate kids about the consequences of their actions or it might involve bringing ex-gang members into hospitals to talk to people who are victims of violence.

"We have people coming in who are on their second or third stabbing and of course they may be likely to go out and stab someone.

"Somehow you have to break this cycle of young people feeling the need to carry a knife. We have tried to engage with community leaders but there is very little funding to employ people to do this."


Poster Comment:

This article would seem to be incomplete as it does not include the race of the victims and of the perpetrators.

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#1. To: Horse (#0)

The number of stabbings in London is unfortunately beginning to match some inner city areas of the United States.

Celebrate diversity!

His letter to the Standard was written along with two leading members of London's medical profession, the Royal London's surgical registrar Thomas Konig and Dr Anne Weaver, the lead clinician for the capital's air ambulance service...

There is potential to reduce crime from our side if we could understand behaviour and liaise with victims and potential perpetrators.

Pathetic!

Too late now, but Burke had it right:

38. And in order to a gradual manumission of Slaves, as they shall seem fitted to fill the offices of freemen, Be it enacted, that every Negro Slave, being thirty years of age and upwards, and who has had three children born to him in lawful matrimony, and who hath received a certificate from the Minister of his district, or any other Christian teacher, of his regularity in the duties of religion, and of his orderly and good behaviour, may purchase, at rates to be fixed by two Justices of Peace, the freedom of himself, or his wife or children, or of any of them separately, valuing the wife and children, if purchased into liberty by the father of the family, at half only of their marketable values; provided that the said father shall bind himself in a penalty of ——— for the good behaviour of his children.

39. And be it enacted, that it shall be lawful for the Protector of Negroes to purchase the freedom of any Negro, who shall appear to him to excel in any mechanical art, or other knowledge or practice deemed liberal, and the value shall be settled by a Jury.

40. And be it enacted, that the Protector of Negroes shall be and is authorized and required to act as a Magistrate, for the coercion of all idle, disobedient, or disorderly free Negroes, and he shall by office prosecute them for the offences of idleness, drunkenness, quarrelling, gaming, or vagrancy, in the Supreme Court, or cause them to be prosecuted before one Justice of Peace, as the case may require.

41. And be it enacted, that if any free Negro hath been twice convicted for any of the said misdemeanors, and is judged by the said Protector of Negroes, calling to his assistance two justices of the Peace, to be incorrigibly idle, dissolute and vicious, it shall be lawful, by the order of the said Protector and two justices of Peace, to sell the said free Negro into slavery: the purchase-money to be paid to the person so remanded into servitude, or kept in hand by the Protector and Governour for the benefit of his family.

No no, b-b-BOP-p-p-bop bop bop...

Tauzero  posted on  2008-05-31   0:11:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Horse (#0)

Don't go by race. A lot of them are white. From what I read, society is breaking down over there, and they have more of a police state than we do.

www. guardian.co.uk/uk/200...crime.prisonsandprobation

From the article: --- The UK is named alongside Ireland, Estonia, the Netherlands and Denmark as the crime hotspots of Europe with crime victim rates that are at least 30% higher than the EU average.

It does, however, contain some positive news for Britain, saying that there is an extremely low chance compared with many other EU countries of becoming a victim of attempted bribery, while consumer fraud is not a cause for concern. ---

So, dont worry about being bribed, and don't worry your pretty little head about consumer fraud. Just worry about being stabbed.

Here is another gem:

Knife sales to be banned for under-18s

www.timesonlin e.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article402197.ece

policestateusa.net/

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-31   11:50:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: PSUSA (#2) (Edited)

From what I read, society is breaking down over there, and they have more of a police state than we do.

A camera on every corner and hate crime laws up the wazoo. I think back to back terms of Tony Blair and the do-gooder Labor Party put the kibosh on the Brits ever enjoying freedom again.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-05-31   11:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PSUSA (#2)

and they have more of a police state than we do.

couldn't possibly be part of the problem could it?


Don't let turtle know I have him on bozo or I'll put you on bozo too!

farmfriend  posted on  2008-05-31   12:01:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: PSUSA (#2)

Crime and Criminal Justice

National sources of information about crime show such considerable differences in approach and coverage that the measurement of crime trends at European Union level is still at an early stage.

Following a first attempt to provide an overall picture (see Statistics in Focus Issue No 15/2007), the figures in this publication are again based largely on numbers of crimes reported by the police. These have been updated to 2006 and revised in some cases. Progress is being made on the development of a more comparable system of crime and criminal justice statistics in the future.

They show crime in the Netherlands as being down 2%.


Don't let turtle know I have him on bozo or I'll put you on bozo too!

farmfriend  posted on  2008-05-31   12:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Horse (#0) (Edited)

How do you stop stupid people from reproducing? I'm willing to bet few of these incidents involved only the sharpest knives in the drawer. Yep, these people obviously need a war with many suicide missions. There's my kneejerk. It's scientifically-tested like that.

nobody  posted on  2008-05-31   12:16:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: farmfriend. the thread (#4)

As is true with guns, the knives are only tools.

They should issue handguns to the stabee's so that they can deal with their stabbers.

Lod  posted on  2008-05-31   12:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Horse (#0) (Edited)

Yeah, but I'm voting for getting stabbed over getting shot every time. Just don't taze me, bro.

It's like kneejerk central with me again.

Why can't we all just get along?

Oops.

Ban concrete sidewalks and make super-glued helmets mandatory.

Whaaaah!

It's Bush's fault!

I'm here all morning.

In the ghetto ...

nobody  posted on  2008-05-31   12:27:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: farmfriend, scrapper2, All (#4)

couldn't possibly be part of the problem could it?

I think so. It is another example of a vicious cycle, imo. Their welfare state bred criminals, which breeds the police state, which breeds more nanny state welfare cases, which breeds more criminals, more laws, more police state, and on and on and on.

I think the UK will crash before we do.

policestateusa.net/

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-31   12:35:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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