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Published: Jun 1, 2008
Author: Ben Adler
Post Date: 2008-06-01 11:09:40 by christine
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Like Hillary Rodham Clinton, the three other women most frequently mentioned as possible running mates for Barack Obama are widely recognized as shrewd, trailblazing politicians who would provide critical ballast to an Obama-led presidential ticket. But according to interviews with Republicans in their home states, Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano and Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill differ from Clinton by two important measures: They’ve managed to win elections without developing polarizing personas, and they’ve shied away from emphasizing gender in their campaigns. The distinctions are important for Obama, the front-runner in the Democratic nominating contest, as his campaign begins the process of thinking about possible running mates. Selecting a woman might serve to mend the gender-based rifts that have surfaced as a result of Clinton’s historic candidacy — and Sebelius, Napolitano and McCaskill all possess red-state political portfolios that would make them attractive vice presidential candidates. Some common themes emerge when talking to Republicans who have battled them. All three are respected for their ability to win in difficult political environments for Democrats, and all are credited with having done so by successfully tacking to the center, reaching out to Republican voters by crafting an independent image. In part, that’s why Napolitano and Sebelius made Time magazine’s “5 Best Governors” list in 2005. Napolitano draws praise from the other side of the aisle for managerial competence and canny political skills. Arizona Republicans describe the former federal prosecutor as extremely smart, noting that she has adeptly handled hot-button issues such as immigration. “I think Gov. Napolitano, to the dismay of a lot of Republicans in this state, has been effective because she has governed from the center,” said Jaime Molera, a Republican political consultant in Phoenix. “She has not been seen as a partisan Democrat.” Molera points to her successful budget compromises with the Republican state Senate last year as a prime example. Napolitano’s opponents also agree that her pragmatic approach is an asset — though critics say it reflects a lack of core principles. “I can’t help but wonder if her strengths and weaknesses are one and the same. She’s a highly calculating politician. She does not make a move without considering the political implications,” said Republican consultant Garrick Taylor. “That has benefited her in a traditionally Republican state, but she runs the risk of being cast as a typical politician.” In Kansas, where Sebelius has managed to frustrate the Republican political establishment while winning over GOP voters, opponents also view her with a kind of grudging admiration. Though conceding she is warm and persuasive in small settings, Republicans gleefully note that she fell flat in her first moment in the national spotlight — when she delivered the Democratic response to the president’s State of Union speech in January. But more than anything else, Sebelius’ foes generally agree that she has a great talent for recognizing and seizing opportunities in a state where the Republican majority has been bitterly divided between conservatives and moderates. “She ran as a conservative. She won [reelection] in Kansas because she’s adopted whatever things the Legislature has done,” said Republican state House Speaker Melvin Neufeld. “She takes credit for whatever happens, which a good politician does.” When Sebelius first captured the governorship in 2002, she did it with a Republican business executive as her running mate. Four years later, in her 2006 reelection, she stunned the state’s political establishment by selecting a new lieutenant governor candidate to run with — the state’s former Republican Party chairman. “Kathleen has done a good job of walking through fissures in the Kansas Republican Party,” said Republican state Senate Majority Leader Derek Schmidt. “She’s governor because our party has been fairly deeply factionalized since the late '90s, particularly during the last two gubernatorial cycles.” McCaskill is also respected for her savvy political instincts, winning credit for her campaign trail work ethic and for not making the same mistakes twice. In an unsuccessful 2004 run for governor, she concentrated heavily on urban areas and got beaten badly in rural counties. When she won her Senate seat in 2006, it was with a populist flavor and a more pronounced focus on rural Missouri. “She learned that a Democrat in Missouri can’t just focus on urban areas,” said Jared Craighead, executive director of the Missouri Republican Party. “You need to focus on rural areas.” “Claire McCaskill is a crafty politician who campaigns hard,” added Gregg Keller, a Republican consultant who managed Talent’s 2006 campaign. Curiously, while Sebelius and Napolitano both do well among women voters — according to 2006 exit polls, Napolitano won 66 percent among women in her easy reelection win — McCaskill’s advantage seems less pronounced. In 2006, she won 51 percent among women in a narrow victory. Like Sebelius and Napolitano, McCaskill did not highlight the gender factor. “I frankly hope gender is not an issue in this campaign at all,” she told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in 2006. “This is not something we’re stressing around the state.” In Arizona and Missouri, Republicans also said gender has been a political nonissue. “The story in Arizona is that we’ve had a number of female chief executives,” said Taylor, the Republican political consultant. “So [Napolitano’s gender] has been part of a story line but hasn’t been part of her narrative personally.” “I don’t know that [Sebelius’] gender has played a big role, other than that her percentage of female appointees has been greater than most governors,” said Kansas state Senate President Stephen Morris. Regardless of the strengths Sebelius, Napolitano and McCaskill might bring to the ticket, home state Republicans insist that none of them could deliver their respective states if they were on the ticket. McCaskill has narrowly lost and narrowly won Missouri in her two most recent elections, and her popularity doesn’t rank with the two governors. Kansas, which delivered 62 percent to President Bush in 2004, is not considered a competitive state for the Democratic nominee. As for Arizona, local Republicans say any boost Napolitano might provide would be washed out by the presence of another home-stater on the ballot — presumptive Republican nominee and Arizona Sen. John McCain.
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#5. To: christine (#2)
Ah yes, the conquest meant to treat us like we were frogs being boiled in water. Their tactics still won't stop major resistance and revolt. But then again, they will just use that as an excuse for even more oppression. The sooner people wake up and realize the slow and secret screwing they are getting, the better. By the time it is implemented it will be hard to fight which of course is why they implement this in this way.
Harold Ickes on MTP. "Hillary Clinton will get the nomination."
How's it going on the left? The centrist people I know are living in a dreamland. The right is, too.
Anointing. And all the O'Piles will commit suicide?
It will be interesting to see who he picks. It will speak volumes. Assuming he is allowed to make the choice that is.
Daschle and Russert discussing unifying the party with a clinton/obama embrace. hmmmm...
Clinton will never accept being number 2. I could be wrong but I don't see it.
Harold Ickes speaks of a game plan the Democratic Party is loath to be an enabler of. In fact, they obviously plan to kick Hillary in the balls she walks around acting like she has, and privately relate to her what it will cost her to take this fight to the convention in August. Hillary has brought back a full blown case of Clinton Fatigue in record time. After a taste of her this primary season, the consensus is that she and her little leg humping dog Bill can go. With a consolation prize of shepherding her health care plan through Congress or a Cabinet post of note as a spoonful of sugar to help the medicine of cold hardball truth go down, that she is -- like it or not -- going to get the yo heave ho. She will be told she can go nicely or as a wannabe spoiler, but she is going, period. That is the American way to do politics these days, at least when you deal with people like the Clintons who are ethical, moral and wholesomely good folks; as long as it pays to posture that way of course. Team Billary is a dangerous and self serving entity, and is the literal Humpty Dumpty of the political season. Nothing is putting her back together politically any time soon. Things like Hil's courage under imaginary sniper fire where she even parses her words to hide her lie, and Bill's foot in mouth disease in South Carolina where he single handedly gave all the Clinton black support away to Barack Obama who had stayed with him and her out of loyalty equate to a climate not conducive to getting super delegates to buy the Clinton act. Barack Obama will get the nomination and win the general election in November.
Ha...In your wildest dreams Mike.
HAH! ""...shrewd, trailblazing politicians..."? Does anyone remember when Kathleen Kennedy Townsend received the most fawning coverage of her run for MD governor in 2002? She stepped on her own dick with talk about gun control, what with her being a Kennedy and all. And, at a time when the DC SNIPER(S) were killing people she beat the drum against assault weapons (big, expensive ones) and Saturday Nite Specials (small cheap ones) while claiming not to be against "guns for sportsmen." (MD is a big waterfowling state in the Chesapeake Bay-bigshot NY judges lease duck blinds there and even President Clinton played make believe MD duck hunter while dressed in camo to beat the drum for the great gun grab of 1994. As luck would have it dux wouldn't decoy with a secret service helicopter hovering overhead so, Clinton didn't actually shoot at any critters! WHEW! That was close!) Oh no, Townsend wasn't against guns in the hands of lawyers and politicians (like the drunken quail and lawyer bagging Dick Cheney) who can afford 10Gs a year for a duck blind in her state! Of course the sympathetic interviewer never asked Townsend if the law she was proposing would have prevented the murders of Uncle JFK and her father Robert Kennedy. (NO) So, set em up and we'll knock em down-"shrewd, trailblazing" Women Democratic hopefuls, I mean. They all sing from the same old hymnal no matter how many times they lose because of it.
Ha...In your wildest dreams Mike. Ewe guyz R funnie!
Hound... If Dolly Parton were to run for president, she would have my undivided attention at all times. Oh, yes and all of my money and support. Platform??? Who cares.
I'd like to see a Ron Paul/Cynthia McKinney ticket.
Take a look at a window into Eugene and see. This story is indicative of the political mood reaching a hotter climate this election year. At least here anyway. By Bob Albrecht The Register-Guard A 19-year-old Eugene man was Tasered and then arrested during a rally in the downtown core Friday afternoon, according to Eugene police. Police arrested Ian George Van Ornum on charges of disorderly conduct and resisting arrest during a rally near Ken Kesey Square at West Broadway and Willamette Street shortly after 1:30 p.m., Eugene police said. Police also later arrested Anthony Jameson Farley, of Corvallis, charging him with assault, interfering with a police officer and disorderly conduct; and David Alexander Owen, of Elmira, charging him with interfering with a police officer, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. Police say Owen ran at the officers to try to interfere with the arrest of Van Ornum, and Farley swung his fists at the officers. The incident started a little more than an hour into the noon rally, police say, after Van Ornum, who was wearing an exterminator suit and spraying an unknown liquid in the street, was blocking traffic. -- Continued in above link -- Oh, yes and all of my money and support. Platform??? Who cares. Dolly is pro gun. And, I too would cheerfully salute a leader who carries her own balcony!
Her father's remarks about "you-know-who" would be used to taint them both, and the Munchkins would run like scalded DAWGs from the ticket.
The hunger for victory for Democrats will be at a 'throw Mama in front of the train' level of do anything to make this happen, so Barack Obama will get the Hillary faction's support in November. He is also more formidable a player then you think he is, with talents you underestimate. He will get the nomination and win in November, unless something radically alters the landscape of this election campaign, or he gets Diebolted.
Do you forget us small town, bitter, people that do not like "others"??? We vote also.
Dolly has her own attri-beauts....
Those, plus, she's got more brain power than the three stooges combined. She is one smart, savvy lady. She could do the job part-time and get more accomplished than all the stooges working full-time.
Sir Lod... I might of known you would read about the beauts......shame on you, married and all. We must remember however that Dolly is from Smalltown TN, therefore not presidential material.
While most people have health insurance to cover medical costs, celebrities -- who have so much riding on their physical appearance -- often have extra insurance policies, sometimes just on specific "assets." Betty Grable started the trend of insuring individual body parts when she insured her legs for $1 million in 1940. Since then, celebs from dancer-actor Fred Astaire to singer-actress Dolly Parton have had one body part or another covered by a policy. The trend of insuring one part of the body has faded in favor of insuring the entire person, but there are several celebs who have put a premium on one particular part in the past: • Astaire insured his legs for $75,000 apiece and his wrists and arms for $20,000 • Parton's breasts are insured for $600,000 • Former baseball player Mark McGwire's ankle was insured during his record-setting season • Model Heidi Klum's legs were insured for a one-shot ad • Musicians who reputedly insured their voices: Bob Dylan, Rod Stewart, Bruce Springsteen (for $6 million) and the Beatles
As Dollys insurance agency, I would have to SEE what we were insuring. Business you know.
I'd be surprised if the agency doesn't have photographic evidence of what they're on the hook for...
Well, there you go again; playing up mis-spokenitis, an affliction common to frayed up and tired candidates when a contest is closely fought. Both Obama and Clinton have had their foot in mouth moments. The way I judge them is how both handled them. Clinton has done so with cleverly layered semi- apologies that actually aren't, and Obama has been straight forward and candid, dealing with them as a leader should. I am satisfied with his ability to lead. He can handle the learning curve of the job exceptionally well too. I give Obama two thumbs up so far this election year.
Well, you know the old saying: "If you've seen one you've seen 'em both!"
Posted by The Associated Press May 31, 2008 19:06PM A 37-year-old Medford man was arrested Friday on hate crime charges. Police believe Gary Moss was involved in a case of racial intimidation that left a cross and the letters "KKK" scorched into the front yard of a mixed-race couple's home late on Memorial Day. The couple received another hate-filled message this week. Now they say they are planning to move elsewhere in the Rogue Valley. The two will move in with relatives while they save up for a place of their own. Community members have been dropping off flowers, cards and letters of support at their west Medford home all week, including from students at a local high school. Moss is facing accusations of intimidation, arson, possession of a destructive device and reckless endangerment. -- The Associated Press http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2008/05/medford_man_jailed_in_kkk_burn.html Just wanted to cheer you up with the news that one small town bitter person is getting his just desserts.
Mike, what a piker. If that was his best, he needs re-education.
Yeah, she is probably "bitter." Might even own a gun or two.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. An Obama/Woman ticket will make America OD on the whole race/gender thingie. A Conversation on race and gender! At the same time. Sheesh. Christ, you'll have drinking and maybe even a resurgence of smoking! Plus, why is there any need to put specifically a woman on the ticket. Just because Hillary probably won't be the nominee. Seems like the epitomy of quota politics.
Mike and the other white guilters here never uttered a word of reproach when Obummer insulted us cuzins. Us hill billies is always fair game. No law agin callin us crackers, rednecks, hill billies, stump jumpers, hicks and bitter small town racists. Racists fer sure, thats why we is all cuzins, we like our own people. Dumb and dumber we is.
I grew up in an inbred, New England, Payton Place sort of town, so I relate to your post and know what you mean. It is easy to assume people like Obama looks down their nose at 'hillbillies' -- or whatever term you want to use for this demographic group -- but this is not so. Lack of education doesn't mean dumb. And closely knit networks of friends and family are a plus, not something to look down one's nose at. I happen to like 'Billy Bobs,' I got to know quite a few of them in my years in the Army in and around Fort Bragg, North Carolina. There is nothing bad nor evil about rural culture, 'hillbilly' or otherwise. ;-)
I am a race mixer, that label supersedes the 'guilter' appellation. Get it right next time. ;-)
Yep, you got it cuzin. Obummer insults us and no one cares.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Are not... We have whites whom are all automatic racists and "others". You can be an "other" if you prefer.
Can I also be an oppressive male obviously out to muzzle women because I don't want Hillary to win so bad? I would be disappointed if I didn't get labeled in that manner too. I mean, being just a 'guilter' or an 'other' is just not good enough for me.
Well now lets see, gotta figger this out. Mike is NOT a racist, not a misogynist, therefore if that equation is correct, Mike should love a ticket of Clinton/Obama. Now when it comes to politics, Mike is willing to settle for loose "change". As yet unspecified as to content and amount. Mike knows McKooK is crazy as a loon and may end up in a Clinton cabinet. Therefore after much numbers crunching, it would seem logical that Mike should support a Clinton/Obama ticket. Las Vegas says it is worth money in the bank to have Obama ensconced as VP for the future, rather than have him a loser on the outside. Course Mike does not heed the odds, I did my best.
I occasionally enjoy teasing Mike for being a willing part of the establishment.
Mike is a nice guy, just has his priorities askew. I expect when the Clinton/Obama ticket comes out Mike and the other white guilters will all of sudden be in love with Clinton once again. Sometimes referred to as..."Fatal Attraction"...Unrequited love.
Everyone needs something to want, or wants something to need, or searches for something to do.
She is indicating that she is willing to ignite a firestorm, pump up the volume of the misguided rage of her minions, and split the party in two if her demands are not met. Obama does not need the Billary baggage that comes with another list of demands, perhaps involving high-level appointments for herself and/or her supporters. She spent a couple of days showing how good she can be for the party. Now, the purpose of her recent comments has been to show how much she can trash things if things don't go her way. If she was sane, and not of a personality cult like the Clintons, I might agree with you, as stranger ticket 'marriages' have occurred in our history. But I know the Clintons too well, and winning the presidency with that rotting albatross around one's neck is no place Barack Obama wants to be.
"NAU here we come..."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#6. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#5)
#8. To: christine (#6)
"Hillary Clinton will get the nomination."
#9. To: christine (#0)
Don't let turtle know I have him on bozo or I'll put you on bozo too!
#10. To: farmfriend (#9)
Assuming he is allowed to make the choice that is.
#11. To: christine (#10)
Don't let turtle know I have him on bozo or I'll put you on bozo too!
#12. To: christine (#6)
(Edited)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#13. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
Barack Obama will get the nomination and win the general election in November.
#14. To: christine (#0)
Like Hillary Rodham Clinton, the three other women most frequently mentioned as possible running mates for Barack Obama are widely recognized as shrewd, trailblazing politicians who would provide critical ballast to an Obama-led presidential ticket.
#15. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, christine, Ferret Mike (#13)
Barack Obama will get the nomination and win the general election in November.
#16. To: HOUNDDAWG (#14)
#17. To: christine (#0)
#18. To: buckeye (#7)
"How's it going on the left?"
Protester shocked with stun gun, arrested
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#19. To: Cynicom (#16)
If Dolly Parton were to run for president, she would have my undivided attention at all times.
#20. To: lodwick (#17)
I'd like to see a Ron Paul/Cynthia McKinney ticket.
#21. To: Cynicom (#13)
"Ha...In your wildest dreams Mike."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
so Barack Obama will get the Hillary faction's support in November.
#23. To: HOUNDDAWG (#19)
#24. To: Cynicom. all (#23)
Dolly has her own attri-beauts....
#25. To: lodwick (#24)
Those, plus, she's got more brain power than the three stooges combined. She is one smart, savvy lady. She could do the job part-time and get more accomplished than all the stooges working full-time.
#26. To: Cynicom (#25)
Interesting trivia -
#27. To: lodwick (#26)
#28. To: Cynicom (#27)
Business you know.
#29. To: Cynicom (#22)
"Do you forget us small town, bitter, people that do not like "others"???"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#30. To: Cynicom (#23)
Dolly has her own attri-beauts....
#31. To: Cynicom (#22)
Medford [Oregon] man jailed in "KKK" burning at mixed-race couple's home
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#32. To: Ferret Mike (#31)
Just wanted to cheer you up with the news that one small town bitter person is getting his just desserts.
#33. To: Cynicom (#25)
We must remember however that Dolly is from Smalltown TN, therefore not presidential material.
Lord Acton
#34. To: christine (#0)
#35. To: James Deffenbach, Ferret Mike (#33)
Yeah, she is probably "bitter." Might even own a gun or two.
#36. To: Cynicom (#35)
"Racists fer sure, thats why we is all cuzins, we like our own people. Dumb and dumber we is."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#37. To: Cynicom (#35)
"Mike and the other white guilters..."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#38. To: Cynicom (#35)
Lord Acton
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
I am a race mixer, that label supersedes the 'guilter' appellation. Get it right next time. ;-)
#40. To: Cynicom (#39)
"We have whites whom are all automatic racists and "others". You can be an "other" if you prefer."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#40)
#42. To: Cynicom (#41)
#43. To: buckeye (#42)
#44. To: Cynicom (#43)
#45. To: Cynicom (#41)
"Course Mike does not heed the odds, I did my best."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
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