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Title: Well Jethro guess your wish isn't coming true
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Published: Jun 1, 2008
Author: Me and boby mcgee
Post Date: 2008-06-01 15:59:30 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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Views: 1375
Comments: 102

Looks like Hillary can't win her required 195 delegates out of the remaining 200. Obama bin laden only needs 20 of the remaining 200.

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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

JT wished for hillary?

christine  posted on  2008-06-01   16:14:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I think people are confusing our disgust with Obama with a preference for one of the other puppets.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-01   16:23:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

which other candidates? it's only been hillary and barack for the past 6 months.

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   16:31:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Well I think everyone knows that we despise McCain both for his Zionist connections and his co-sponsorship of the 2006/2007 Immigration Reform bills and McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform. Our task here on 4 is to show that "change" will not come from the other two candidates are masters are offering us.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-01   16:33:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

When we supported Ron Paul, the white guilters said.."One man cannot make a change, it wont happen".

Now the same side liners have found a "savior" to worship who says he will make small change and they grovel and slobber at his feet because he is a person of color.

Disgraceful.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   16:38:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

When we supported Ron Paul

Some of us never stopped supporting Dr. Paul.

mirage  posted on  2008-06-01   19:13:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Some of us never stopped supporting Dr. Paul.

I never stopped supporting Barry Goldwater but a lot of good it did.

Biggest landslide of popular vote in American history, for Johnson, I took little solace in that.

When my horse refuses to leave the gate, I have to wait for the next race.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   19:30:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

When my horse refuses to leave the gate, I have to wait for the next race.

True that. Check my tagline. There may be an alternative.

mirage  posted on  2008-06-01   19:35:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Mirage...off track, just something I am reading...

"For those not concerned with imposing term limits on Senate, House, and Supreme Court members, consider the following:

* Lifelong politicians are now allowed to represent lobbyists based in DC more than voters back home because of no limits to their power to stay in DC. * Term limits for legislators would allow a greater variety in the House and Senate, rather than a lifelong office just for the elite. What history proves is that Our Founding Fathers had this in mind: an average American citizen serving for a few short years, then returning home to enjoy their Guaranteed American Freedoms. * Since 1970, average Supreme Court Justice tenure has risen from approximately 15 years to over 25 years. * Until 2006, no new Justice had joined the Supreme Court in over ten years."

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   19:40:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You're dead on with the citizen legislator. The Founders envisioned a citizen going off to Washington, serving a term or two, then returning to the farm.

Urbanization and the rise of the Professional Politician (see Jerry Brown in California for details) did a lot of damage to their vision.

The Constitution was to be both guide and harness for the citizen legislator.

We have strayed far.

mirage  posted on  2008-06-01   19:53:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

John Adams...

"" Although John Adams was a devout Federalist, he maintained that rotation, as well as frequent elections, would be necessary in order to keep government as near to the people as possible. Adams expressed these two beliefs in a speech given just before the American Revolution in which he proposed holding annual elections of representatives (Peek 101).

He also compared men in a society with rotation-in-office to bubbles on the sea which "rise,...break, and to that sea return"; Adams later develops his thought by adding, "This will teach them the great political virtues of humility, patience, and moderation, without which every man in power becomes a ravenous beast of prey (Peek 102)."

In response to the ideas of Melancton Smith, the strongest opposition from the Federalists came from Alexander Hamilton at the New York ratification convention. Hamilton, along with Roger Sherman and Robert Livingston, developed three strong arguments against implementing term limits in government: the people have a right to judge who they will and will not elect to public office, rotation reduces the incentives for political accountability, and rotation deprives society of experienced public servants (Foley 28). In general, the goals of all founders, despite their political affiliation, aimed at preserving a close connection between representatives and their constituencies. While the Antifederalists believed that imposing term limits would create enhanced participation in government, a check on tyrannical leaders, and greater representation of the people, the Federalists theorized that the same goals could be accomplished by the president serving a short term and having congressman follow his actions "(Foley 34)

The Founding Fathers erred very badly, they did not conceive of professional politicians looking and lusting for lifetime power.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   20:00:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The Founding Fathers erred very badly, they did not conceive of professional politicians looking and lusting for lifetime power.

Things like that just didn't exist in the 1770s and 1780s in America. They weren't really exposed to it because most folks were trying to make a living back then and politics didn't pay very well.

People were expected to maintain their own households back then - it was one of those "social things" that we say "Its how it is" nowadays about. The professional politician didn't come around until mass urbanization in the post-Civil War days if I remember correctly.

Note that the Founders had their own personal fortunes; Government service didn't pay in the early days of the Republic. In fact, it didn't really start to pay until around the 1950s/1960s if I remember my Congressional Pay Rates properly.

mirage  posted on  2008-06-01   20:17:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The professional politician didn't come around until mass urbanization in the post-Civil War days if I remember correctly.

True...

However the South saw what was coming and in their Constitution they restrained their President to a one time six year term and out you go. The rebels were nearly 100 years ahead of the rest of the country before FDR stayed on for life and something had to be done.

Also those were the days before this country became infested with lawyers looking for a steady paycheck.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   20:43:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Also those were the days before this country became infested with lawyers looking for a steady paycheck.

Lawyers have always been like that. Shakespeare even noticed.

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." Henry VI, Part II, Act IV, Scene II

mirage  posted on  2008-06-01   20:50:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Lawyers have always been like that. Shakespeare even noticed.

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." Henry VI, Part II, Act IV, Scene II

Well, Shakespeare noticed something that you seem not to have, and that is how necessary lawyers are to the rule of law and limited government.

You seem not to have noticed that the line you quote was put by Shakespeare into the mouth of Dick the Butcher, a thoroughly nasty and unsympathetic revolutionary.

aristeides  posted on  2008-06-02   18:44:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You seem not to have noticed that the line you quote was put by Shakespeare into the mouth of Dick the Butcher, a thoroughly nasty and unsympathetic revolutionary.

No offense intended, but I have a family full of attorneys and one of our lovelies wears that exact shirt with a dagger dripping blood off of it and is even named appropriately.

Would you care to take some wild guesses as to why I think Shakespeare was correct given that new information and some other things like watching one of them drag his ex-wife through a 15-year divorce process because the idiot couldn't figure out that the courts didn't want to give him what he wanted?

Yes, there are lots of horrible lawyers out there. I know a lot of them.

mirage  posted on  2008-06-02   19:02:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

i know several who are decent human beings and true patriots. Edwin Vieira, John O'Neil Green, Tom Cryer, Jeff Dickstein, Larry Becraft just to name a few.

christine  posted on  2008-06-02   19:29:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

i know several who are decent human beings and true patriots.

Fortunately, none of those are related to me and thus I cannot give them the title of "Worst Lawyer on the Planet"

There is one I am related to that earned such a title by working hard at it.

...and after keeping me personally in court for 15 years, you'll understand that I have little use for them.

Self-same attorney also offered on a few occasions to smack other family members around physically and at one point nearly had his nose broken by yours truly (it was bloodied after he took a swing at me while drunk) and on another occasion, nearly had a lamp smashed over his head because he was offering to smack around a female who didn't take kindly to it.

There must be some decent ones out there. I simply have yet to run across more than one of those.

mirage  posted on  2008-06-02   19:37:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There must be some decent ones out there. I simply have yet to run across more than one of those.

I actually know a couple of them who are pretty decent people, or seem to be anyway.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-02   19:48:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I actually know a couple of them who are pretty decent people, or seem to be anyway.

I'm sure there must be a couple out there. As I've said, I have yet to encounter one.

mirage  posted on  2008-06-03   13:06:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm sure there must be a couple out there. As I've said, I have yet to encounter one.

I don't think there are nearly as many good ones as there are bad ones. The guy who wrote Gulliver's Travels had them figured out pretty well.

"...I assured his Honour, that Law was a Science wherein I had not much conversed, further than by employing Advocates, in vain, upon some Injustices that had been done me: however, I would give him all the Satisfaction I was able.

I said there was a Society of Men among us, bred up from their Youth in the Art of proving by Words multiplied for the Pleasure, that White is Black, and Black is White, according as they are paid. To this Society all the rest of the People are Slaves.

For Example, if my Neighbour hath a Mind to my Cow, he hires a Lawyer to prove that he ought to have my Cow from me. I must then hire another to defend my Right, it being against all Rules of Law that any Man should be allowed to speak for himself. Now in this Case, I who am the right Owner lie under two great Disadvantages. First, my Lawyer being practiced almost from his Cradle in defending Falsehood, is quite out of his Element when he would be an Advocate for Justice, which as an Office unnatural, he always attempts with great Awkwardness if not with Ill-will. The second Disadvantage is, that my Lawyer must proceed with great Caution: Or else he will be reprimanded by the Judges, and abhorred by his Brethren, as one that would lessen the Practice of the Law. And therefore I have but two Methods to preserve my Cow. The first is, to gain over my Adversary's Lawyer with a double Fee; who will then betray his Client by insinuating that he hath Justice on his Side. The second way is for my Lawyer to make my Cause appear as unjust as he can; by the Cow to belong to my Adversary; and this, if it be skilfully done, will certainly bespeak the Favour of the Bench.

Now, your Honour is to know that these Judges are Persons appointed to decide all Controversies of Property, as well as for the Trial of Criminals; and picked out from the most dextrous Lawyers who are grown old or lazy: And having been byassed (biased) all their Lives against Truth and Equity, are under such a fatal Necessity of favouring Fraud, Perjury, and Oppression; that I have known some of them refuse a large Bribe from the Side where Justice lay, rather than injure the Faculty, by doing any thing unbecoming their Nature or their Office.

It is a Maxim among these Lawyers, that whatever hath been done before, may legally be done again: And therefore they take special Care to record all the Decisions formerly made against common Justice and the general Reason of Mankind. These, under the Name of Precedents, they produce as Authorities to justify the most iniquitous Opinions; and the Judges never fail of decreeing accordingly.

In pleading, they studiously avoid entering into the Merits of the Cause; but are loud, violent, and tedious in dwelling upon all Circumstances which are not to the Purpose. For Instance, in the Case already mentioned: They never desire to know what Claim or Title my Adversary hath to my Cow; but whether the said Cow were Red or Black; her Horns long or short; whether the Field I graze her in be round or square; whether she was milked at home or abroad; what Diseases she is subject to, and the like. After which they consult Precedents, adjourn the Cause from Time to Time, and in Ten, Twenty, or Thirty Years, come to an Issue.

It is likewise to be observed, that this Society has a peculiar Cant and Jargon of their own, that no other Mortal can understand, and wherein all their Laws are written, which they take special Care to multiply; whereby they have gone near to confound the very Essence of Truth and Falsehood, of Right and Wrong; so that it may take Thirty Years to decide whether the Field, left me by my Ancestors for Six Generations, belongs to me, or to a Stranger three hundred Miles off.

In the Trial of Persons accused for Crimes against the State the Method is much more short and commendable: The Judge first sends to sound the Disposition of those in Power; after which he can easily hang or save the Criminal, strictly preserving all due Forms of Law.

Here my Master interposing, said it was a Pity that Creatures endowed with such prodigious Abilities of Mind as these Lawyers, by the Description I gave of them, must certainly be, were not rather encouraged to be Instructors of others in Wisdom and Knowledge. In Answer to which, I assured his Honour, that in all Points out of their own Trade, they were usually the most Ignorant and stupid Generation among us, the most despicable in common Conversation, avowed Enemies to all Knowledge and Learning; and equally to pervert the general Reason of Mankind in every other Subject of Discourse, as in that of their own Profession."

A VOYAGE TO THE COUNTRY OF THE HOUYHNHNMS. CHAPTER V.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-03   13:50:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Jonathan Swift had quite a way with words.

My great-grandfather went to Harvard Law. He was a lawyer for 90 days and then decided he couldn't lie for a living.

After that he became a newspaper editor.

Not sure if that was an improvement or not...

mirage  posted on  2008-06-03   13:52:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Not sure if that was an improvement or not...

Lawyers are bottom feeders so any step is a step up.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-03   13:57:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#98. To: Cynicom (#97)

Lawyers are bottom feeders so any step is a step up.

Fair enough. I did mention I come from a family of 'em, right?

It goes back a few generations...a different great-grandfather was a state Attorney General as well.

mirage  posted on  2008-06-03 14:00:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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