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Title: Well Jethro guess your wish isn't coming true
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Published: Jun 1, 2008
Author: Me and boby mcgee
Post Date: 2008-06-01 15:59:30 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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Looks like Hillary can't win her required 195 delegates out of the remaining 200. Obama bin laden only needs 20 of the remaining 200.
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#62. To: angle (#61)
Here in OR we have this: This one is on tape referring to the differences between Klingons and Vulcans and trying to claim he has pointed ears. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of term limits. The Founders were correct in placing limits on the mob as well as limits on the Government.
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Citing the engagement with the group as "part of his commitment to talking with all Americans.", McCain will attend the convention in San Diego July 14, according to a press release which also announced the launch of his own Spanish website. How could the dumb sob miss the point that the cockroaches who make up the gang known as La Raza aren't actual Americans? McCain is way too stupid to be president. But then, with any of the three the establishment has chosen for the people, there isn't one who doesn't pander to groups like that. A plague on all their houses.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Funny!
No no, b-b-BOP-p-p-bop bop bop...
presidents don't need smarts. all that's required is that they can dance at the end of their puppet strings. ;)
presidents don't need smarts. all that's required is that they can dance at the end of their puppet strings. As some comedian observed, once the new president is taken into a screening room and shown the film of JFK's murder from the grassy knoll, and then is asked, 'Do you have any questions?' Things fall quickly into line.
uh huh. that's why the opining of the obamaphiles that he will be another jfk are unrealistic at best and delusional at worst.
Correct. The shadow government is still calling the 'shots,' if you will allow me that one. I wish I knew how to awaken the sheep out there.
Where is JT anyway?
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
Jail.
R u serious?
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
Would I fabricate an untruth about Jethro Tull???? I would never outright lie, I might fib a bit, might stretch the truth, might mislead, might make things up as I go along, but, lie about TULL???? Maybe I did shade the truth a tad. However, he SHOULD be in jail, that makes it nearly an honest answer, right? See now you agree. Actually he is on vacation in NC, traveling on a fake passport. I hope they catch him. hehehehehe
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." Henry VI, Part II, Act IV, Scene II Well, Shakespeare noticed something that you seem not to have, and that is how necessary lawyers are to the rule of law and limited government. You seem not to have noticed that the line you quote was put by Shakespeare into the mouth of Dick the Butcher, a thoroughly nasty and unsympathetic revolutionary.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
No offense intended, but I have a family full of attorneys and one of our lovelies wears that exact shirt with a dagger dripping blood off of it and is even named appropriately. Would you care to take some wild guesses as to why I think Shakespeare was correct given that new information and some other things like watching one of them drag his ex-wife through a 15-year divorce process because the idiot couldn't figure out that the courts didn't want to give him what he wanted? Yes, there are lots of horrible lawyers out there. I know a lot of them.
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Yes, if we have learned nothing else from the current resident of the White House I think that is pretty much common knowledge now.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I take it you've never read or seen the play. May I humbly suggest that you do so. Doing so will disabuse you of any belief that killing all the lawyers was anything Shakespeare wanted.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
This does not sound ethical at all. Attorney Melvyn Weiss sentenced to prison in kickback scheme By GREG RISLING - Associated Press Writer Last Updated 3:09 pm PDT Monday, June 2, 2008 Print | E-Mail | Comments (0) | LOS ANGELES -- Melvyn Weiss, the co-founder of a prestigious New York law firm, was sentenced Monday to 30 months in prison for his role in a lucrative lawsuit kickback scheme targeting some of the largest corporations in the nation. U.S. District Judge John F. Walter also ordered Weiss, 72, to pay $9.7 million in forfeitures and $250,000 in fines. In a prepared, handwritten statement read before sentencing, Weiss apologized for his "wrongful conduct" and described the case as a fall from grace. "I promise you my contrition is profound and genuine," he said. Weiss pleaded guilty to a racketeering conspiracy charge in April as part of an agreement with prosecutors. Contending that Weiss had orchestrated the scheme, prosecutors had sought a 33-month sentence. Weiss and his attorneys asked for a reduced prison term, citing his age and contributions inside and outside courtrooms. Authorities said the law firm made about $250 million over two decades by filing legal actions on behalf of professional plaintiffs who received $11.3 million in kickbacks.
I have read it, but it was some years ago. I use the quote only for effect. May I humbly suggest understanding what the motivation behind offering that up was? It may dispel misconceptions. Or I could quote the Eagles with the same intent in mind. "Old Billy was right; let's kill all the lawyers; kill them tonight"
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No it doesn't. If you like, I'll PM you a situation I was in where I sent the State after an attorney. It was fun. An attorney caught in a contempt citation and refused to recognize that the law meant what it said it meant. Ah, the fun of dealing with these guys. Its great when you can put them in jail until they apologize. Even more fun when they mouth off to the judge.
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i know several who are decent human beings and true patriots. Edwin Vieira, John O'Neil Green, Tom Cryer, Jeff Dickstein, Larry Becraft just to name a few.
My intent was to point out that attributing the sentiment to Shakespeare himself is at best woefully mistaken, at worst intellectually dishonest. In fact, the fact that he put the sentiment into the mouth of a character like Dick the Butcher is strong evidence that he believed just the opposite.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I have a nephew that was a typical shyster. Could not make it chasing ambulances and extorting little old ladies so now he is a Judge. Sigh...
Alas, the worst attorney I know, one whose cases are currently being used by one of the local law schools as examples of "what not to do" and one who I have personally had to get the State Attorney General's office after *and* who has been informed a few times to obey court orders or go to jail wears a shirt with that quote on it, and quite proudly. Now, given that, I think its STILL appropriate and unless you walk a mile in my shoes, it is not your place to impugn.
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After 25 years of amnesties, he's acutely aware that many of them are citizens, and that their greatest goal in life is to bring over the rest of their families.
It might be possible that a few actual humans might be lost in the process but so few as to be negligible. And it would be "for the greater good" and surely all you obummer people think that would be the way to go?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Fortunately, none of those are related to me and thus I cannot give them the title of "Worst Lawyer on the Planet" There is one I am related to that earned such a title by working hard at it. ...and after keeping me personally in court for 15 years, you'll understand that I have little use for them. Self-same attorney also offered on a few occasions to smack other family members around physically and at one point nearly had his nose broken by yours truly (it was bloodied after he took a swing at me while drunk) and on another occasion, nearly had a lamp smashed over his head because he was offering to smack around a female who didn't take kindly to it. There must be some decent ones out there. I simply have yet to run across more than one of those.
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as an aside, where would Randy Weaver be if not for Gerry Spence?
Those sob's will NEVER be actual Americans no matter what kind of papers they have. They don't care about America, don't care about fitting in or even learning the language. No, they aren't Americans and will never live long enough to be Americans.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I hear you, but they're voting in droves.
I actually know a couple of them who are pretty decent people, or seem to be anyway.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That is a two tiered question, mainly because, the only people allowed by Federal and State law to practice law before the bench are "lawyers". In other words I am sure there were many other people that could have done the same or better than Spence. Having had to coach lawyers before and during court hearings it is apparent that the majority passed law school and the bar but their education stopped there. For instance only doctors for years could practice medicine, but that is changing rapidly as the licensure laws have turned health care in to a business. Likewise, the Justice system is now a business, and the shysters need to go the way of the horse and buggy.
In other words I am sure there were many other people that could have done the same or better than Spence. ahhh..that's a very good point.
Look in any law office and you will find a $15 dollar an hour squirrel in a small back room that does the work and writes the briefs. Writing prescriptions now in the medical "business" are doctors, PAs, NPs RPHs etc and there has been no drastic death rate from such. Bottom feeding lawyers should be eliminated by legislation, stop this ambulance chasing. If the client cannot pay upfront the shyster has no victim. The victim then hires a paralegal or whomever that they can afford.
I'm sure there must be a couple out there. As I've said, I have yet to encounter one.
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I don't think there are nearly as many good ones as there are bad ones. The guy who wrote Gulliver's Travels had them figured out pretty well. "...I assured his Honour, that Law was a Science wherein I had not much conversed, further than by employing Advocates, in vain, upon some Injustices that had been done me: however, I would give him all the Satisfaction I was able. I said there was a Society of Men among us, bred up from their Youth in the Art of proving by Words multiplied for the Pleasure, that White is Black, and Black is White, according as they are paid. To this Society all the rest of the People are Slaves. For Example, if my Neighbour hath a Mind to my Cow, he hires a Lawyer to prove that he ought to have my Cow from me. I must then hire another to defend my Right, it being against all Rules of Law that any Man should be allowed to speak for himself. Now in this Case, I who am the right Owner lie under two great Disadvantages. First, my Lawyer being practiced almost from his Cradle in defending Falsehood, is quite out of his Element when he would be an Advocate for Justice, which as an Office unnatural, he always attempts with great Awkwardness if not with Ill-will. The second Disadvantage is, that my Lawyer must proceed with great Caution: Or else he will be reprimanded by the Judges, and abhorred by his Brethren, as one that would lessen the Practice of the Law. And therefore I have but two Methods to preserve my Cow. The first is, to gain over my Adversary's Lawyer with a double Fee; who will then betray his Client by insinuating that he hath Justice on his Side. The second way is for my Lawyer to make my Cause appear as unjust as he can; by the Cow to belong to my Adversary; and this, if it be skilfully done, will certainly bespeak the Favour of the Bench. Now, your Honour is to know that these Judges are Persons appointed to decide all Controversies of Property, as well as for the Trial of Criminals; and picked out from the most dextrous Lawyers who are grown old or lazy: And having been byassed (biased) all their Lives against Truth and Equity, are under such a fatal Necessity of favouring Fraud, Perjury, and Oppression; that I have known some of them refuse a large Bribe from the Side where Justice lay, rather than injure the Faculty, by doing any thing unbecoming their Nature or their Office. It is a Maxim among these Lawyers, that whatever hath been done before, may legally be done again: And therefore they take special Care to record all the Decisions formerly made against common Justice and the general Reason of Mankind. These, under the Name of Precedents, they produce as Authorities to justify the most iniquitous Opinions; and the Judges never fail of decreeing accordingly. In pleading, they studiously avoid entering into the Merits of the Cause; but are loud, violent, and tedious in dwelling upon all Circumstances which are not to the Purpose. For Instance, in the Case already mentioned: They never desire to know what Claim or Title my Adversary hath to my Cow; but whether the said Cow were Red or Black; her Horns long or short; whether the Field I graze her in be round or square; whether she was milked at home or abroad; what Diseases she is subject to, and the like. After which they consult Precedents, adjourn the Cause from Time to Time, and in Ten, Twenty, or Thirty Years, come to an Issue. It is likewise to be observed, that this Society has a peculiar Cant and Jargon of their own, that no other Mortal can understand, and wherein all their Laws are written, which they take special Care to multiply; whereby they have gone near to confound the very Essence of Truth and Falsehood, of Right and Wrong; so that it may take Thirty Years to decide whether the Field, left me by my Ancestors for Six Generations, belongs to me, or to a Stranger three hundred Miles off. In the Trial of Persons accused for Crimes against the State the Method is much more short and commendable: The Judge first sends to sound the Disposition of those in Power; after which he can easily hang or save the Criminal, strictly preserving all due Forms of Law. Here my Master interposing, said it was a Pity that Creatures endowed with such prodigious Abilities of Mind as these Lawyers, by the Description I gave of them, must certainly be, were not rather encouraged to be Instructors of others in Wisdom and Knowledge. In Answer to which, I assured his Honour, that in all Points out of their own Trade, they were usually the most Ignorant and stupid Generation among us, the most despicable in common Conversation, avowed Enemies to all Knowledge and Learning; and equally to pervert the general Reason of Mankind in every other Subject of Discourse, as in that of their own Profession." Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Jonathan Swift had quite a way with words. My great-grandfather went to Harvard Law. He was a lawyer for 90 days and then decided he couldn't lie for a living. After that he became a newspaper editor. Not sure if that was an improvement or not...
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Lawyers are bottom feeders so any step is a step up.
Fair enough. I did mention I come from a family of 'em, right? It goes back a few generations...a different great-grandfather was a state Attorney General as well.
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They became bottom feeders when the practice of law became a "business", a predatory business with a closed licensure suit of armor. I have family that is Judge, was corrupt before and is still corrupt.
LOL! Ever read what John Swinton said about newspaper editors? (And keep in mind this was a long, long time ago) "There is no such thing as an independent press in America, unless it is in the country towns. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. "I am paid $150.00 a week for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things. If I should permit honest opinions to be printed in one issue of my paper, like Othello, before twenty-four hours, my occupation would be gone. "The business of the New York journalist is to destroy truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon; to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. We are the tools and vessels for rich men behind the scenes. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. This is especially true with SOX and HIPPA now in place. Policies on backups and log rotation now have to be run through the legal department for an opinion as to whether or not you can design a system to do what you want it to do. WORM drives (write once, read many) are now required for a lot of applications and tape recycling is forbidden now in many cases. That's just ridiculous but it is the system we have been forced into.
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No, but fortunately, my family isn't from New York :-) I know quite a bit about how the newspaper industry works as well and how it is controlled by the advertisers.
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#63. To: buckeye (#38)
Republican Nominee John McCain will speak at the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza (The Race), the extreme Hispanic lobby group that advocates a militant "reconquista" of the Southwestern United States.
Lord Acton
#64. To: mirage (#62)
The Founders were correct in placing limits on the mob as well as limits on the Government.
#65. To: James Deffenbach (#63)
McCain is way too stupid to be president.
#66. To: christine, the thread (#65)
McCain is way too stupid to be president.
#67. To: lodwick (#66)
#68. To: christine. the thread (#67)
#69. To: lodwick (#68)
#70. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#69)
Where is JT anyway?
#71. To: Cynicom (#70)
#72. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#71)
R u serious?
#73. To: mirage (#42)
Lawyers have always been like that. Shakespeare even noticed.
#74. To: aristeides (#73)
You seem not to have noticed that the line you quote was put by Shakespeare into the mouth of Dick the Butcher, a thoroughly nasty and unsympathetic revolutionary.
#75. To: christine (#65)
presidents don't need smarts.
Lord Acton
#76. To: mirage (#74)
Would you care to take some wild guesses as to why I think Shakespeare was correct
#77. To: mirage (#74)
Yes, there are lots of horrible lawyers out there. I know a lot of them.
#78. To: aristeides (#76)
I take it you've never read or seen the play. May I humbly suggest that you do so. Doing so will disabuse you of any belief that killing all the lawyers was anything Shakespeare wanted.
#79. To: Cynicom (#77)
This does not sound ethical at all.
#80. To: mirage, aristeides (#74)
#81. To: mirage (#78)
May I humbly suggest understanding what the motivation behind offering that up was?
#82. To: mirage (#79)
#83. To: aristeides (#81)
My intent was to point out that attributing the sentiment to Shakespeare himself is at best woefully mistaken, at worst intellectually dishonest.
#84. To: James Deffenbach (#63)
How could the dumb sob miss the point that the cockroaches who make up the gang known as La Raza aren't actual Americans?
#85. To: aristeides (#76)
I take it you've never read or seen the play. May I humbly suggest that you do so. Doing so will disabuse you of any belief that killing all the lawyers was anything Shakespeare wanted.
Lord Acton
#86. To: christine (#80)
i know several who are decent human beings and true patriots.
#87. To: mirage (#86)
(Edited)
#88. To: buckeye (#84)
After 25 years of amnesties, he's acutely aware that many of them are citizens, and that their greatest goal in life is to bring over the rest of their families.
Lord Acton
#89. To: James Deffenbach (#88)
#90. To: mirage (#86)
There must be some decent ones out there. I simply have yet to run across more than one of those.
Lord Acton
#91. To: christine (#87)
as an aside, where would Randy Weaver be if not for Gerry Spence?
#92. To: Cynicom (#91)
That is a two tiered question, mainly because, the only people allowed by Federal and State law to practice law before the bench are "lawyers".
#93. To: christine (#92)
#94. To: James Deffenbach (#90)
I actually know a couple of them who are pretty decent people, or seem to be anyway.
#95. To: mirage (#94)
I'm sure there must be a couple out there. As I've said, I have yet to encounter one.
Lord Acton
#96. To: James Deffenbach (#95)
#97. To: mirage (#96)
Not sure if that was an improvement or not...
#98. To: Cynicom (#97)
Lawyers are bottom feeders so any step is a step up.
#99. To: mirage (#98)
#100. To: mirage (#96)
Lord Acton
#101. To: Cynicom (#99)
They became bottom feeders when the practice of law became a "business", a predatory business with a closed licensure suit of armor.
#102. To: James Deffenbach (#100)
Ever read what John Swinton said about newspaper editors?
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