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Title: Well Jethro guess your wish isn't coming true
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Published: Jun 1, 2008
Author: Me and boby mcgee
Post Date: 2008-06-01 15:59:30 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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Views: 1257
Comments: 102

Looks like Hillary can't win her required 195 delegates out of the remaining 200. Obama bin laden only needs 20 of the remaining 200.

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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

JT wished for hillary?

christine  posted on  2008-06-01   16:14:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine, Itisa1mosttoolate (#1)

I think people are confusing our disgust with Obama with a preference for one of the other puppets.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-01   16:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#1)

I know, couldn't believe it myself.

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   16:29:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: buckeye (#2)

which other candidates? it's only been hillary and barack for the past 6 months.

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   16:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

Well Jethro guess your wish isn't coming true

Its...

I dont think you have been paying close attention here.

Our white guilters are possessed with their savior, other than that, no one here has any interest in politics beyond Ron Paul.

Are you now also a white guilter????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   16:32:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#4)

Well I think everyone knows that we despise McCain both for his Zionist connections and his co-sponsorship of the 2006/2007 Immigration Reform bills and McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform. Our task here on 4 is to show that "change" will not come from the other two candidates are masters are offering us.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-01   16:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeye (#6)

When we supported Ron Paul, the white guilters said.."One man cannot make a change, it wont happen".

Now the same side liners have found a "savior" to worship who says he will make small change and they grovel and slobber at his feet because he is a person of color.

Disgraceful.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   16:38:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#7)

In the future, there is much work to be done.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-01   16:43:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#5)

Oh I've been paying attention. JT is as vehemently opposed to Obama as yukon is opposed the truth.

ps I hate Hillary with a vengeance.

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   16:48:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#9)

Yeah, he did post that interesting picture of Hillary in the rain holding a microphone with some kind words for her, but I took that more as a taunt to Obama supporters then an indication JT wants to get his Hillary commemorative nutcracker autographed any time soon.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-06-01   16:52:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Ferret Mike (#10)

JT loves Hilly because she's got testicular fortitude and, it turns out, the opposites attract.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-06-01   16:58:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#9)

ps I hate Hillary with a vengeance.

You can tell us the truth, you do not want to see a dyke female as prez??????

Fess up.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   17:00:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#12)

Are you calling Hilly 'a shemale'?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-06-01   17:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#12)

Hillary's 'last straw' was "I can beat McLame, Obama bin laden can't."

(not counting her 'wish' for an assination.)

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   17:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#14)

Actually, I suspect Hillary and McKooK have something going, they go all google eyed over each other.

I understand if Hillary wins, Obama will have an office in the West Wing basement and Bill will have his office where that "SINK" is located.

McKooK will be on a leash, wearing a muzzle tied to Hillarys desk.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   17:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#15)

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   17:12:13 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#16)


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-06-01   17:15:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#16)

I also heard Hillary has aready told Slick Willie that if she wins, she gets her pick of the female interns this time around.

Just rumor dont you know.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   17:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#18)

no stains this time around.

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   17:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#19)

Try to visualize McKooK with a muzzle and leash tied to Hillarys desk in the oval office????????

That seems like a photo Mike or someone could come up with?????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   17:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: christine (#1)

JT wished for hillary?

Nah, that was me, I think she's a total hottie.

Every day I email Hugh Hefner begging him to do a *ahem* spread of her in Playboy. :P

Esso  posted on  2008-06-01   17:25:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#20)

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   17:28:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#22)

Now that makes me sick, do it again and you will be sent to a corner and a time out.

As Hillarys Sec. of Def. the two of them would have to have daily closed door meetings.

What a spectacle that would be.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   17:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ferret Mike (#17)

"smart, nylon swimsuit in navy blue"

Great excuse to look at it closer. "Oh yeah, at first I thought it could be black wool but that's a very bluish nylonish looking part there ... hmm, now what is the smartest thing about this suit? Maybe it's in the cut."

nobody  posted on  2008-06-01   17:46:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#7)

When we supported Ron Paul, the white guilters said.."One man cannot make a change, it wont happen".

Now the same side liners have found a "savior" to worship who says he will make small change and they grovel and slobber at his feet because he is a person of color.

Disgraceful

Funnie!

"All the while You were in front of me I never realized... I just can't believe I didn't see it In your eyes... I didn't see it... I can't believe it... oh but I feel it"__Marc Anthony

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-06-01   19:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#7)

When we supported Ron Paul

Some of us never stopped supporting Dr. Paul.

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-01   19:13:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: mirage (#26)

Media Caught Lying version 2

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   19:22:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: mirage (#26)

Some of us never stopped supporting Dr. Paul.

I never stopped supporting Barry Goldwater but a lot of good it did.

Biggest landslide of popular vote in American history, for Johnson, I took little solace in that.

When my horse refuses to leave the gate, I have to wait for the next race.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   19:30:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeye (#6)

Oh, I despise McCain for much more than that.

The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2008-06-01   19:35:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom (#28)

When my horse refuses to leave the gate, I have to wait for the next race.

True that. Check my tagline. There may be an alternative.

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-01   19:35:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: mirage (#30) (Edited)

Mirage...off track, just something I am reading...

"For those not concerned with imposing term limits on Senate, House, and Supreme Court members, consider the following:

* Lifelong politicians are now allowed to represent lobbyists based in DC more than voters back home because of no limits to their power to stay in DC. * Term limits for legislators would allow a greater variety in the House and Senate, rather than a lifelong office just for the elite. What history proves is that Our Founding Fathers had this in mind: an average American citizen serving for a few short years, then returning home to enjoy their Guaranteed American Freedoms. * Since 1970, average Supreme Court Justice tenure has risen from approximately 15 years to over 25 years. * Until 2006, no new Justice had joined the Supreme Court in over ten years."

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   19:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, mirage (#27)

Try the same searches without Obama's first name: http://www.google.com/trends?q=ron+paul,+obama

Very few people are typing in "barrak obama" because they don't need to do that.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-01   19:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#31)

You're dead on with the citizen legislator. The Founders envisioned a citizen going off to Washington, serving a term or two, then returning to the farm.

Urbanization and the rise of the Professional Politician (see Jerry Brown in California for details) did a lot of damage to their vision.

The Constitution was to be both guide and harness for the citizen legislator.

We have strayed far.

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-01   19:53:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: mirage (#33)

John Adams...

"" Although John Adams was a devout Federalist, he maintained that rotation, as well as frequent elections, would be necessary in order to keep government as near to the people as possible. Adams expressed these two beliefs in a speech given just before the American Revolution in which he proposed holding annual elections of representatives (Peek 101).

He also compared men in a society with rotation-in-office to bubbles on the sea which "rise,...break, and to that sea return"; Adams later develops his thought by adding, "This will teach them the great political virtues of humility, patience, and moderation, without which every man in power becomes a ravenous beast of prey (Peek 102)."

In response to the ideas of Melancton Smith, the strongest opposition from the Federalists came from Alexander Hamilton at the New York ratification convention. Hamilton, along with Roger Sherman and Robert Livingston, developed three strong arguments against implementing term limits in government: the people have a right to judge who they will and will not elect to public office, rotation reduces the incentives for political accountability, and rotation deprives society of experienced public servants (Foley 28). In general, the goals of all founders, despite their political affiliation, aimed at preserving a close connection between representatives and their constituencies. While the Antifederalists believed that imposing term limits would create enhanced participation in government, a check on tyrannical leaders, and greater representation of the people, the Federalists theorized that the same goals could be accomplished by the president serving a short term and having congressman follow his actions "(Foley 34)

The Founding Fathers erred very badly, they did not conceive of professional politicians looking and lusting for lifetime power.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   20:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: buckeye (#32)

Michell "Whity" tape to be released tomorrow

www.weaselzippers.net/blo...be-released-tomorrow.html

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   20:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#35)

The spinners will be busy if there is any substance at all.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   20:10:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Cynicom (#36)

I think Hillery knows about it, that's why she's staying in.

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   20:13:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#35)

John McCain To Speak At La Raza Convention?

http://infowars.net/index.html
http://infowars.net/articles/may2008/...
McCain To Speak At La Raza Convention
Presidential nominee rubs shoulders with group that advocates calls to overthrow Southwestern U.S.




Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Wednesday, May 7, 2008
Republican Nominee John McCain will speak at the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza (The Race), the extreme Hispanic lobby group that advocates a militant "reconquista" of the Southwestern United States.

Citing the engagement with the group as "part of his commitment to talking with all Americans.", McCain will attend the convention in San Diego July 14, according to a press release which also announced the launch of his own Spanish website.

McCain, favored by La Raza due to his previous calls for a total amnesty on illegal immigrants in the U.S. and sustained opposition to efforts to strengthen controls at the U.S.-Mexican border, will repeat the appearance he made at the 2004 National Council of La Raza in Phoenix, Arizona where he made a keynote address.

McCain has a long and fruitful relationship with the group. In 1999 La Raza honored the Senator at its tenth annual Capital Awards for "staunch support of the Hispanic community".

La Raza describes itself as the largest Latino civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States, but it caters to the radical Chicano movement that says California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and parts of Colorado and Texas belong to Aztlan, the mythical birthplace of the Aztecs.

We have previously covered the Nightmare Racism and Open Call for Revolution from La Raza as well as the Aztlan reconquista movement and MEChA, who call their American based radio stations "the Invasion". Such groups have no desire to respect US culture and wish for nothing more than the US to be broken up.

They call for the implementation of The Plan of San Diego, a plot hatched in 1915 in Northern Mexico and throughout the Southwest that called for the genocide of all white males over 16.

The founder of La Raza and professor at University of Texas, Arlington, Jose Angel Gutierrez, is on record as saying "We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."

In Reality La Raza is a minority movement, yet its reach has become infinitely more widespread due to millions it has received in federal grants and the power it has been afforded by bedhopping establishment politicians such as Hillary Clinton.

Bill Clinton and Karl Rove have previously rubbed shoulders with the group also.

In 2006 by Rep. Charles Norwood, R-Ga., outlined just how embedded with Washington Power brokers the group had become. In a piece entitled The Truth About 'La Raza Norwood condemned the group as a radical "pro-illegal immigration lobbying organization that supports racist groups calling for the secession of the western United States as a Hispanic-only homeland."

La Raza was one of the key groups behind last year's so called "amnesty bill", a piece of legislation drafted in total secrecy which very nearly passed. As the Washington Post reported, Latino national interest groups including La Raza now have virtual veto power in the immigration debate.

Make no mistake, the reconquista movement has big corporate funding. In almost every case we have researched, rich white men are behind the neo-Aztec movement. In one case a businessman in California bought almost 700 signs telling the public that Los Angeles is now Mexico (see picture).

Some Hispanic-American coalition groups such as You Don't Speak For Me have attempted to counter the racist propaganda of the reconquista groups and soundly reject the media myth that the vast majority of Hispanics support such beliefs.

Alex Jones' mini documentary Battle For The Republic exposes how the elite are using illegal immigration and pushing amnesty as a means of pulverizing the American middle class and ensuring that U.S. citizens, black, white and hispanic alike, are forced to sacrifice their freedom and sovereignty as America is sunk into a third world cesspool.

To see the possible next president openly embracing a group like La Raza should send chills down the spine of any American who values civil rights and equality, whatever their race.

Of course, if you disagree with McCain's courtship of "The Race", you can always vote for Obama.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-01   20:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#37)

Clinton/Obama is a sure winner by a landslide.

McKooK/Clinton is a sure winner in a landslide.

Obama/White Guy is a sure loser.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   20:15:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom (#34)

The Founding Fathers erred very badly, they did not conceive of professional politicians looking and lusting for lifetime power.

Things like that just didn't exist in the 1770s and 1780s in America. They weren't really exposed to it because most folks were trying to make a living back then and politics didn't pay very well.

People were expected to maintain their own households back then - it was one of those "social things" that we say "Its how it is" nowadays about. The professional politician didn't come around until mass urbanization in the post-Civil War days if I remember correctly.

Note that the Founders had their own personal fortunes; Government service didn't pay in the early days of the Republic. In fact, it didn't really start to pay until around the 1950s/1960s if I remember my Congressional Pay Rates properly.

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-01   20:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: mirage (#40)

The professional politician didn't come around until mass urbanization in the post-Civil War days if I remember correctly.

True...

However the South saw what was coming and in their Constitution they restrained their President to a one time six year term and out you go. The rebels were nearly 100 years ahead of the rest of the country before FDR stayed on for life and something had to be done.

Also those were the days before this country became infested with lawyers looking for a steady paycheck.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   20:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Cynicom (#41)

Also those were the days before this country became infested with lawyers looking for a steady paycheck.

Lawyers have always been like that. Shakespeare even noticed.

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." Henry VI, Part II, Act IV, Scene II

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-01   20:50:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: mirage (#42)

Clinton and Obummer are shysters, McKooK is just an every day madman, that needs to be put away.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   20:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Cynicom (#43)

John McCain-Lost in Space

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   21:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#44)

Can we imagine this loser carrying the nuke football around?

The real scary part is that the primary voters voted for him overwhelmingly.....

Were they stupid, not listening or what?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   21:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Cynicom (#45)

Did you watch it? He truly is Lost in Space.

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   21:12:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#46)

Did you watch it? He truly is Lost in Space.

Yes I did.

Now explain to me how how a huge majority voted for such a person???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   21:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Cynicom (#47)

OK

Is this FRAUD? YES

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   21:22:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#48)

Saw that one before. I just dont know.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   21:31:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Cynicom, itisa1mosttoolate (#49)

i'm inclined to believe that mcKook is the selected nominee. i know of no one who supports him so therefore i believe the primaries were frauds.

i'm watching for a mcCain/lieberman ticket.

christine  posted on  2008-06-01   21:46:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: christine (#50)

that's the most sensable AND idiodic thing I've heard

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-01   21:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: christine, Cynicom, itisa1mosttoolate (#50)

The NWO wins no matter which one gets elected.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-01   21:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: buckeye (#52)

If McKooK wins, I am moving to Israel.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   21:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#53)

No need to move.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-01   22:00:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Cynicom (#49)

it's been years since i read it, but in Votescam: The Stealing of America, the Collier brothers reported that Sununu fixed the primary for George H. Bush in NH. that was in '88 i think?

quite an eyeopening book, if you ever get the chance to read it.

christine  posted on  2008-06-01   22:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: christine (#55)

Going to be an interesting time between now and Nov.

The lust for power by all three is dangerous. Over three hundred million people and we have three slimes wanting to be president.

Joe Sixpack would never stand a chance.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-01   22:06:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: christine (#50)

Unfortunately I know people who do actually support him. The problem is they know very little about politics and only support him becasue of his war record and I suppose his age. Unfortunately there are still quite a few people, (mostly older people) that want the war to continue. The problem is all three would continue the war. So voting on the war issue alone is not wise if you are restricting yourself to one of the elite candidates. I see no major difference in any of them besides their health care plans. On that issue McCain has the better plan, which is basically leaving it the way it is.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-06-01   22:17:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Cynicom (#43)

Clinton and Obummer are shysters, McKooK is just an every day madman, that needs to be put away.

He's a military officer turned pandering politician.

He should have stuck with military.

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-01   22:26:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Cynicom, mirage (#34)

Career legislators are much less of a problem than career bureaucrats of the executive branch. It's not like the legislators read let alone write the laws they vote upon.

The legislative branch (along with academia) is actually the dumping ground for the less competent. More competent folks job-hop the media-regulator-industry triad.

No no, b-b-BOP-p-p-bop bop bop...

Tauzero  posted on  2008-06-02   12:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Tauzero (#59)

The legislative branch (along with academia) is actually the dumping ground for the less competent.

I agree with you.

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-02   13:01:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: mirage (#60)

"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"

angle  posted on  2008-06-02   13:06:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: angle (#61)

Here in OR we have this:

This one is on tape referring to the differences between Klingons and Vulcans and trying to claim he has pointed ears.

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of term limits. The Founders were correct in placing limits on the mob as well as limits on the Government.

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-02   13:20:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: buckeye (#38)

Republican Nominee John McCain will speak at the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza (The Race), the extreme Hispanic lobby group that advocates a militant "reconquista" of the Southwestern United States.

Citing the engagement with the group as "part of his commitment to talking with all Americans.", McCain will attend the convention in San Diego July 14, according to a press release which also announced the launch of his own Spanish website.

How could the dumb sob miss the point that the cockroaches who make up the gang known as La Raza aren't actual Americans? McCain is way too stupid to be president. But then, with any of the three the establishment has chosen for the people, there isn't one who doesn't pander to groups like that. A plague on all their houses.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-02   13:30:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: mirage (#62)

The Founders were correct in placing limits on the mob as well as limits on the Government.

Funny!

No no, b-b-BOP-p-p-bop bop bop...

Tauzero  posted on  2008-06-02   13:50:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: James Deffenbach (#63)

McCain is way too stupid to be president.

presidents don't need smarts. all that's required is that they can dance at the end of their puppet strings. ;)

christine  posted on  2008-06-02   17:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: christine, the thread (#65)

McCain is way too stupid to be president.

presidents don't need smarts. all that's required is that they can dance at the end of their puppet strings.

As some comedian observed, once the new president is taken into a screening room and shown the film of JFK's murder from the grassy knoll, and then is asked, 'Do you have any questions?' Things fall quickly into line.

Lod  posted on  2008-06-02   17:53:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: lodwick (#66)

uh huh. that's why the opining of the obamaphiles that he will be another jfk are unrealistic at best and delusional at worst.

christine  posted on  2008-06-02   17:57:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: christine. the thread (#67)

Correct.

The shadow government is still calling the 'shots,' if you will allow me that one.

I wish I knew how to awaken the sheep out there.

Lod  posted on  2008-06-02   18:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: lodwick (#68)

Where is JT anyway?

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-02   18:20:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#69)

Where is JT anyway?

Jail.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-02   18:27:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Cynicom (#70)

R u serious?

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-06-02   18:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#71)

R u serious?

Would I fabricate an untruth about Jethro Tull????

I would never outright lie, I might fib a bit, might stretch the truth, might mislead, might make things up as I go along, but, lie about TULL????

Maybe I did shade the truth a tad. However, he SHOULD be in jail, that makes it nearly an honest answer, right? See now you agree.

Actually he is on vacation in NC, traveling on a fake passport. I hope they catch him. hehehehehe

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-02   18:40:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: mirage (#42)

Lawyers have always been like that. Shakespeare even noticed.

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." Henry VI, Part II, Act IV, Scene II

Well, Shakespeare noticed something that you seem not to have, and that is how necessary lawyers are to the rule of law and limited government.

You seem not to have noticed that the line you quote was put by Shakespeare into the mouth of Dick the Butcher, a thoroughly nasty and unsympathetic revolutionary.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-06-02   18:44:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: aristeides (#73)

You seem not to have noticed that the line you quote was put by Shakespeare into the mouth of Dick the Butcher, a thoroughly nasty and unsympathetic revolutionary.

No offense intended, but I have a family full of attorneys and one of our lovelies wears that exact shirt with a dagger dripping blood off of it and is even named appropriately.

Would you care to take some wild guesses as to why I think Shakespeare was correct given that new information and some other things like watching one of them drag his ex-wife through a 15-year divorce process because the idiot couldn't figure out that the courts didn't want to give him what he wanted?

Yes, there are lots of horrible lawyers out there. I know a lot of them.

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-02   19:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: christine (#65)

presidents don't need smarts.

Yes, if we have learned nothing else from the current resident of the White House I think that is pretty much common knowledge now.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-02   19:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: mirage (#74)

Would you care to take some wild guesses as to why I think Shakespeare was correct

I take it you've never read or seen the play. May I humbly suggest that you do so. Doing so will disabuse you of any belief that killing all the lawyers was anything Shakespeare wanted.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-06-02   19:20:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: mirage (#74)

Yes, there are lots of horrible lawyers out there. I know a lot of them.

This does not sound ethical at all.

Attorney Melvyn Weiss sentenced to prison in kickback scheme By GREG RISLING - Associated Press Writer

Last Updated 3:09 pm PDT Monday, June 2, 2008

Print | E-Mail | Comments (0) |

LOS ANGELES -- Melvyn Weiss, the co-founder of a prestigious New York law firm, was sentenced Monday to 30 months in prison for his role in a lucrative lawsuit kickback scheme targeting some of the largest corporations in the nation.

U.S. District Judge John F. Walter also ordered Weiss, 72, to pay $9.7 million in forfeitures and $250,000 in fines.

In a prepared, handwritten statement read before sentencing, Weiss apologized for his "wrongful conduct" and described the case as a fall from grace.

"I promise you my contrition is profound and genuine," he said.

Weiss pleaded guilty to a racketeering conspiracy charge in April as part of an agreement with prosecutors.

Contending that Weiss had orchestrated the scheme, prosecutors had sought a 33-month sentence. Weiss and his attorneys asked for a reduced prison term, citing his age and contributions inside and outside courtrooms.

Authorities said the law firm made about $250 million over two decades by filing legal actions on behalf of professional plaintiffs who received $11.3 million in kickbacks.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-02   19:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: aristeides (#76)

I take it you've never read or seen the play. May I humbly suggest that you do so. Doing so will disabuse you of any belief that killing all the lawyers was anything Shakespeare wanted.

I have read it, but it was some years ago. I use the quote only for effect.

May I humbly suggest understanding what the motivation behind offering that up was? It may dispel misconceptions.

Or I could quote the Eagles with the same intent in mind. "Old Billy was right; let's kill all the lawyers; kill them tonight"

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-02   19:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Cynicom (#77)

This does not sound ethical at all.

No it doesn't. If you like, I'll PM you a situation I was in where I sent the State after an attorney. It was fun. An attorney caught in a contempt citation and refused to recognize that the law meant what it said it meant.

Ah, the fun of dealing with these guys. Its great when you can put them in jail until they apologize. Even more fun when they mouth off to the judge.

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-02   19:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: mirage, aristeides (#74)

i know several who are decent human beings and true patriots. Edwin Vieira, John O'Neil Green, Tom Cryer, Jeff Dickstein, Larry Becraft just to name a few.

christine  posted on  2008-06-02   19:29:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: mirage (#78)

May I humbly suggest understanding what the motivation behind offering that up was?

My intent was to point out that attributing the sentiment to Shakespeare himself is at best woefully mistaken, at worst intellectually dishonest.

In fact, the fact that he put the sentiment into the mouth of a character like Dick the Butcher is strong evidence that he believed just the opposite.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-06-02   19:30:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: mirage (#79)

I have a nephew that was a typical shyster.

Could not make it chasing ambulances and extorting little old ladies so now he is a Judge. Sigh...

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-02   19:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: aristeides (#81)

My intent was to point out that attributing the sentiment to Shakespeare himself is at best woefully mistaken, at worst intellectually dishonest.

Alas, the worst attorney I know, one whose cases are currently being used by one of the local law schools as examples of "what not to do" and one who I have personally had to get the State Attorney General's office after *and* who has been informed a few times to obey court orders or go to jail wears a shirt with that quote on it, and quite proudly.

Now, given that, I think its STILL appropriate and unless you walk a mile in my shoes, it is not your place to impugn.

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-02   19:33:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: James Deffenbach (#63)

How could the dumb sob miss the point that the cockroaches who make up the gang known as La Raza aren't actual Americans?

After 25 years of amnesties, he's acutely aware that many of them are citizens, and that their greatest goal in life is to bring over the rest of their families.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-02   19:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: aristeides (#76)

I take it you've never read or seen the play. May I humbly suggest that you do so. Doing so will disabuse you of any belief that killing all the lawyers was anything Shakespeare wanted.

It might be possible that a few actual humans might be lost in the process but so few as to be negligible. And it would be "for the greater good" and surely all you obummer people think that would be the way to go?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-02   19:36:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: christine (#80)

i know several who are decent human beings and true patriots.

Fortunately, none of those are related to me and thus I cannot give them the title of "Worst Lawyer on the Planet"

There is one I am related to that earned such a title by working hard at it.

...and after keeping me personally in court for 15 years, you'll understand that I have little use for them.

Self-same attorney also offered on a few occasions to smack other family members around physically and at one point nearly had his nose broken by yours truly (it was bloodied after he took a swing at me while drunk) and on another occasion, nearly had a lamp smashed over his head because he was offering to smack around a female who didn't take kindly to it.

There must be some decent ones out there. I simply have yet to run across more than one of those.

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-02   19:37:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: mirage (#86) (Edited)

as an aside, where would Randy Weaver be if not for Gerry Spence?

christine  posted on  2008-06-02   19:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: buckeye (#84)

After 25 years of amnesties, he's acutely aware that many of them are citizens, and that their greatest goal in life is to bring over the rest of their families.

Those sob's will NEVER be actual Americans no matter what kind of papers they have. They don't care about America, don't care about fitting in or even learning the language. No, they aren't Americans and will never live long enough to be Americans.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-02   19:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: James Deffenbach (#88)

I hear you, but they're voting in droves.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-02   19:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: mirage (#86)

There must be some decent ones out there. I simply have yet to run across more than one of those.

I actually know a couple of them who are pretty decent people, or seem to be anyway.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-02   19:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: christine (#87)

as an aside, where would Randy Weaver be if not for Gerry Spence?

That is a two tiered question, mainly because, the only people allowed by Federal and State law to practice law before the bench are "lawyers".

In other words I am sure there were many other people that could have done the same or better than Spence. Having had to coach lawyers before and during court hearings it is apparent that the majority passed law school and the bar but their education stopped there.

For instance only doctors for years could practice medicine, but that is changing rapidly as the licensure laws have turned health care in to a business.

Likewise, the Justice system is now a business, and the shysters need to go the way of the horse and buggy.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-02   19:56:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Cynicom (#91)

That is a two tiered question, mainly because, the only people allowed by Federal and State law to practice law before the bench are "lawyers".

In other words I am sure there were many other people that could have done the same or better than Spence.

ahhh..that's a very good point.

christine  posted on  2008-06-02   20:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: christine (#92)

Look in any law office and you will find a $15 dollar an hour squirrel in a small back room that does the work and writes the briefs.

Writing prescriptions now in the medical "business" are doctors, PAs, NPs RPHs etc and there has been no drastic death rate from such.

Bottom feeding lawyers should be eliminated by legislation, stop this ambulance chasing. If the client cannot pay upfront the shyster has no victim. The victim then hires a paralegal or whomever that they can afford.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-02   20:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: James Deffenbach (#90)

I actually know a couple of them who are pretty decent people, or seem to be anyway.

I'm sure there must be a couple out there. As I've said, I have yet to encounter one.

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-03   13:06:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: mirage (#94)

I'm sure there must be a couple out there. As I've said, I have yet to encounter one.

I don't think there are nearly as many good ones as there are bad ones. The guy who wrote Gulliver's Travels had them figured out pretty well.

"...I assured his Honour, that Law was a Science wherein I had not much conversed, further than by employing Advocates, in vain, upon some Injustices that had been done me: however, I would give him all the Satisfaction I was able.

I said there was a Society of Men among us, bred up from their Youth in the Art of proving by Words multiplied for the Pleasure, that White is Black, and Black is White, according as they are paid. To this Society all the rest of the People are Slaves.

For Example, if my Neighbour hath a Mind to my Cow, he hires a Lawyer to prove that he ought to have my Cow from me. I must then hire another to defend my Right, it being against all Rules of Law that any Man should be allowed to speak for himself. Now in this Case, I who am the right Owner lie under two great Disadvantages. First, my Lawyer being practiced almost from his Cradle in defending Falsehood, is quite out of his Element when he would be an Advocate for Justice, which as an Office unnatural, he always attempts with great Awkwardness if not with Ill-will. The second Disadvantage is, that my Lawyer must proceed with great Caution: Or else he will be reprimanded by the Judges, and abhorred by his Brethren, as one that would lessen the Practice of the Law. And therefore I have but two Methods to preserve my Cow. The first is, to gain over my Adversary's Lawyer with a double Fee; who will then betray his Client by insinuating that he hath Justice on his Side. The second way is for my Lawyer to make my Cause appear as unjust as he can; by the Cow to belong to my Adversary; and this, if it be skilfully done, will certainly bespeak the Favour of the Bench.

Now, your Honour is to know that these Judges are Persons appointed to decide all Controversies of Property, as well as for the Trial of Criminals; and picked out from the most dextrous Lawyers who are grown old or lazy: And having been byassed (biased) all their Lives against Truth and Equity, are under such a fatal Necessity of favouring Fraud, Perjury, and Oppression; that I have known some of them refuse a large Bribe from the Side where Justice lay, rather than injure the Faculty, by doing any thing unbecoming their Nature or their Office.

It is a Maxim among these Lawyers, that whatever hath been done before, may legally be done again: And therefore they take special Care to record all the Decisions formerly made against common Justice and the general Reason of Mankind. These, under the Name of Precedents, they produce as Authorities to justify the most iniquitous Opinions; and the Judges never fail of decreeing accordingly.

In pleading, they studiously avoid entering into the Merits of the Cause; but are loud, violent, and tedious in dwelling upon all Circumstances which are not to the Purpose. For Instance, in the Case already mentioned: They never desire to know what Claim or Title my Adversary hath to my Cow; but whether the said Cow were Red or Black; her Horns long or short; whether the Field I graze her in be round or square; whether she was milked at home or abroad; what Diseases she is subject to, and the like. After which they consult Precedents, adjourn the Cause from Time to Time, and in Ten, Twenty, or Thirty Years, come to an Issue.

It is likewise to be observed, that this Society has a peculiar Cant and Jargon of their own, that no other Mortal can understand, and wherein all their Laws are written, which they take special Care to multiply; whereby they have gone near to confound the very Essence of Truth and Falsehood, of Right and Wrong; so that it may take Thirty Years to decide whether the Field, left me by my Ancestors for Six Generations, belongs to me, or to a Stranger three hundred Miles off.

In the Trial of Persons accused for Crimes against the State the Method is much more short and commendable: The Judge first sends to sound the Disposition of those in Power; after which he can easily hang or save the Criminal, strictly preserving all due Forms of Law.

Here my Master interposing, said it was a Pity that Creatures endowed with such prodigious Abilities of Mind as these Lawyers, by the Description I gave of them, must certainly be, were not rather encouraged to be Instructors of others in Wisdom and Knowledge. In Answer to which, I assured his Honour, that in all Points out of their own Trade, they were usually the most Ignorant and stupid Generation among us, the most despicable in common Conversation, avowed Enemies to all Knowledge and Learning; and equally to pervert the general Reason of Mankind in every other Subject of Discourse, as in that of their own Profession."

A VOYAGE TO THE COUNTRY OF THE HOUYHNHNMS. CHAPTER V.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-03   13:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: James Deffenbach (#95)

Jonathan Swift had quite a way with words.

My great-grandfather went to Harvard Law. He was a lawyer for 90 days and then decided he couldn't lie for a living.

After that he became a newspaper editor.

Not sure if that was an improvement or not...

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-03   13:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: mirage (#96)

Not sure if that was an improvement or not...

Lawyers are bottom feeders so any step is a step up.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-03   13:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Cynicom (#97)

Lawyers are bottom feeders so any step is a step up.

Fair enough. I did mention I come from a family of 'em, right?

It goes back a few generations...a different great-grandfather was a state Attorney General as well.

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mirage  posted on  2008-06-03   14:00:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: mirage (#98)

They became bottom feeders when the practice of law became a "business", a predatory business with a closed licensure suit of armor.

I have family that is Judge, was corrupt before and is still corrupt.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-03   14:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: mirage (#96)

LOL! Ever read what John Swinton said about newspaper editors? (And keep in mind this was a long, long time ago)

"There is no such thing as an independent press in America, unless it is in the country towns. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print.

"I am paid $150.00 a week for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things. If I should permit honest opinions to be printed in one issue of my paper, like Othello, before twenty-four hours, my occupation would be gone.

"The business of the New York journalist is to destroy truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon; to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. We are the tools and vessels for rich men behind the scenes. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-03   14:07:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Cynicom (#99)

They became bottom feeders when the practice of law became a "business", a predatory business with a closed licensure suit of armor.

This is especially true with SOX and HIPPA now in place.

Policies on backups and log rotation now have to be run through the legal department for an opinion as to whether or not you can design a system to do what you want it to do.

WORM drives (write once, read many) are now required for a lot of applications and tape recycling is forbidden now in many cases.

That's just ridiculous but it is the system we have been forced into.

Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!

mirage  posted on  2008-06-03   14:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: James Deffenbach (#100)

Ever read what John Swinton said about newspaper editors?

No, but fortunately, my family isn't from New York :-)

I know quite a bit about how the newspaper industry works as well and how it is controlled by the advertisers.

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mirage  posted on  2008-06-03   14:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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