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Title: Prominent Structural Engineers Say Official Version of 9/11 "Impossible" "Defies Common Logic" "Violates the Law of Physics"
Source: opednews.com
URL Source: http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=7524
Published: Jun 2, 2008
Author: Diary Entry by George Washington
Post Date: 2008-06-02 22:50:01 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: 911, "Impossible", "Violates the Law of Physicsā€¯
Views: 1618
Comments: 117

May 27, 2008 at 15:08:49

Prominent Structural Engineers Say Official Version of 9/11 "Impossible" "Defies Common Logic" "Violates the Law of Physics”

Diary Entry by George Washington

Prominent Structural Engineers Say Official Version of 9/11 "Impossible" "Defies Common Logic" "Violates the Law of Physics"

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Numerous structural engineers now publicly challenge the government's account of the destruction of the Trade Centers on 9/11, including:

A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also this)

Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)

Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says:

"Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition"

Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes:

"Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust."

Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England, points out:

"WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?"

Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia, argues:

"In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation!"

Mills M. Kay Mackey, structural engineer, of Denver, Colorado, points out:

"The force from the jets and the burning fuel could not have been sufficient to make the building collapse. Why doesn't the media mention that the 11th floor was completely immolated on February 13th, 1975? It had the weight of nearly 100 stories on top of it but it did not collapse?"

David Scott, Structural Engineer, of Scotland, argues:

"Near-freefall collapse violates laws of physics. Fire induced collapse is not consistent with observed collapse mode . . . ."

Nathan Lomba, Structural Engineer, of Eureka, California, states

"I began having doubts about, so called, official explanations for the collapse of the WTC towers soon after the explanations surfaced. The gnawing question that lingers in my mind is: How did the structures collapse in near symmetrical fashion when the apparent precipitating causes were asymmetrical loading? The collapses defies common logic from an elementary structural engineering perspective. “If” you accept the argument that fire protection covering was damaged to such an extent that structural members in the vicinity of the aircraft impacts were exposed to abnormally high temperatures, and “if” you accept the argument that the temperatures were high enough to weaken the structural framing, that still does not explain the relatively concentric nature of the failures.

Neither of the official precipitating sources for the collapses, namely the burning aircraft, were centered within the floor plan of either tower; both aircraft were off-center when they finally came to rest within the respective buildings. This means that, given the foregoing assumptions, heating and weakening of the structural framing would have been constrained to the immediate vicinity of the burning aircraft. Heat transmission (diffusion) through the steel members would have been irregular owing to differing sizes of the individual members; and, the temperature in the members would have dropped off precipitously the further away the steel was from the flames—just as the handle on a frying pan doesn't get hot at the same rate as the pan on the burner of the stove. These factors would have resulted in the structural framing furthest from the flames remaining intact and possessing its full structural integrity, i.e., strength and stiffness.

Structural steel is highly ductile, when subjected to compression and bending it buckles and bends long before reaching its tensile or shear capacity. Under the given assumptions, “if” the structure in the vicinity of either burning aircraft started to weaken, the superstructure above would begin to lean in the direction of the burning side. The opposite, intact, side of the building would resist toppling until the ultimate capacity of the structure was reached, at which point, a weak-link failure would undoubtedly occur. Nevertheless, the ultimate failure mode would have been a toppling of the upper floors to one side—much like the topping of a tall redwood tree—not a concentric, vertical collapse.

For this reason alone, I rejected the official explanation for the collapse of the WTC towers out of hand. Subsequent evidence supporting controlled, explosive demolition of the two buildings are more in keeping with the observed collapse modalities and only serve to validate my initial misgivings as to the causes for the structural failures."

Edward E. Knesl, civil and structural engineer, of Phoenix, Arizona, writes:

"We design and analyze buildings for the overturning stability to resist the lateral loads with the combination of the gravity loads. Any tall structure failure mode would be a fall over to its side. It is impossible that heavy steel columns could collapse at the fraction of the second within each story and subsequently at each floor below.

We do not know the phenomenon of the high rise building to disintegrate internally faster than the free fall of the debris coming down from the top.

The engineering science and the law of physics simply doesn't know such possibility. Only very sophisticated controlled demolition can achieve such result, eliminating the natural dampening effect of the structural framing huge mass that should normally stop the partial collapse. The pancake theory is a fallacy, telling us that more and more energy would be generated to accelerate the collapse. Where would such energy would be coming from ?"

David Topete, civil and structural engineer, San Francisco, California

Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)

Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin

Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)

Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer

William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College

See this website and this website for further additions.

There are many other structural engineers who have questioned the government's account in private. We support them and wish them courage to discuss these vital issues publicly.

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#3. To: TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, All (#0)

Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes:

"Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust."

Funny? I could have sworn that I was saying that 4 or 5 years ago.

Nathan Lomba, Structural Engineer, of Eureka, California, states

"I began having doubts about, so called, official explanations for the collapse of the WTC towers soon after the explanations surfaced. The gnawing question that lingers in my mind is: How did the structures collapse in near symmetrical fashion when the apparent precipitating causes were asymmetrical loading? The collapses defies common logic from an elementary structural engineering perspective. “If” you accept the argument that fire protection covering was damaged to such an extent that structural members in the vicinity of the aircraft impacts were exposed to abnormally high temperatures, and “if” you accept the argument that the temperatures were high enough to weaken the structural framing, that still does not explain the relatively concentric nature of the failures.

Funny? I could have sworn that I was saying that 4 or 5 years ago.

Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia, argues:

"In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation!"

Funny? I could have sworn that I was saying that 4 or 5 years ago.

Where were these quaking yella' bellies 4 or 5 years ago when people were already making these connections?

Methinks these clowns are speaking up only now because of the courageous people who stood up to the withering blasts of "Kook", "Conspiracy Theorist", "Whack Job", etc., ...

It was the voices of the people courageous enough to state the obvious years in advance of these late coming worms. I'm glad to see that their jellied spines have developed enough rigidity at this late date to speak up, but where were these voices on Jan. 1 2002?

Well, where were they?

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-03   1:01:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#3)

Just curious, do you have any idea when these statements were originally written, not just quoted in the article?

nobody  posted on  2008-06-03   1:09:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nobody (#4)

Just curious, do you have any idea when these statements were originally written, not just quoted in the article?

They were certainly nowhere to be found when Dr. Stephen Jones was forced out of his Professorship and pushed out the door at BYU and that was less than 2 years ago.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-03   1:47:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Original_Intent (#11)

They were certainly nowhere to be found when Dr. Stephen Jones was forced out of his Professorship and pushed out the door at BYU and that was less than 2 years ago.

How do you supposedly know this? Many are building engineers, they may have learned what they know about thermite from Jones. They are supposed to weigh in on a BYU personel issue involving a WTC chemical analysis/thermate hypothesis? How? How do they even know that the question of whether Jones is right or not was truly at issue there? Maybe he was dismissed entirely for accusing the 'wrong' people of doing something those people actually did, in which case these people would be wasting their time.

nobody  posted on  2008-06-05   21:49:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: nobody (#96)

How do you supposedly know this? Many are building engineers, they may have learned what they know about thermite from Jones. They are supposed to weigh in on a BYU personel issue involving a WTC chemical analysis/thermate hypothesis? How?

The evidence was in the public domain before it was made acceptable by Dr. Jones. He simply took it to a higher level of rigor. There were multiple excellent analyses on the Web already - one that stands out was the Stochiometric analysis done by the poster "Mad Max" which went through point by point and established with mathematical rigor that there was insufficient fuel on the aircraft to generate enough heat to weaken the structures. The same poster did several other analyses but that one in particular was ironclad and has never been refuted by any of the varied shills and bots I've debated. It was available online at least by 2003 if not before (I don't recall when I first ran into it but it was posted very widely).

No, the evidence accumulated by Dr. Jones was noted and commented on before Dr. Jones published his monograph. Others could have just as easily done the same work, but did not. Dr. Jones lost his Professorship as a result, but stands vindicated as NO ONE has been able to refute his work. However, and again, he was not the first just the most prominent to speak up.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-05   22:00:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Original_Intent (#102) (Edited)

I do not believe that the accuracy of Jones' scientific analysis was even at issue there, nor was the question of whether there was or wasn't (as the cliche goes) a 'controlled demolition.' Someone encouraged Jones to make an accusation and it was videotaped, IIRC. I believe it was something such as that which got the ball rolling at BYU. That's when the two-faced corporate-mind political heat had an excuse to make itself felt, AFAICT. FWIW, he made a highly logical inference in assigning blame, however it was viewed in a politically-savvy (regrettable euphemism) manner as lacking proof beyond a reasonable doubt, at least that is my best guess of the ultimate issue.

You're grasping.

nobody  posted on  2008-06-05   22:05:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: nobody (#104)

I do not believe the accuracy of Jones' scientific analysis was at issue there, nor was the question of whether there was (as the cliche goes) a controlled demolition. Someone encouraged Jones to make an accusation and it was videotaped, IIRC. I believe it was something such as that which got the ball rolling at BYU. That's when the two-faced corporate-mind political heat had an excuse to make itself felt, AFAICT. FWIW, he made a highly logical inference in assigning blame, however it was viewed in a politically-savvy (regrettable euphemism) manner as lacking proof beyond a reasonable doubt, at least that is my best guess of the ultimate issue.

You're grasping.

Dr. Jones first drew attention with publication of his original monograph and was only later drawn out to state his opinion that it implied that it had to have been prepared in advance.

He got handed his golden walking papers because he was tenured and they couldn't really fire him, and his monograph could not be refuted, so he was forced out the door with a buttload of money to keep him from suing the University. By all appearances it was outside political pressure. BYU receives a lot of grants from da Feds and threatening those grants applied pressure to the University Administration which lacked the guts to tell the Feds to take their dirty money and stick it where the sun don't shine (that is inference clearly labeled as such). So, he was given a lot of money to go away. I suspect the calculation was that his being relieved of his Professorship would shut him up and destroy his credibility. Neither occurred as it was obvious to the astute as to what was really going on and a lot of people made it a point to say as much.

Play Again?

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-05   22:25:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Original_Intent (#110) (Edited)

"In the paper, Jones does not make specific accusations about who brought about the towers' collapse and avoids the casual finger-pointing that characterizes much of the movement. But when pressed, he cautiously blames the supposed demolition on Bush administration officials eager to sow war in the Middle East.

Besides worries about his accusations, Carri Jenkins, a spokesman for the university, said BYU was also concerned that Jones's work on September 11 had not been published in credible peer-reviewed journals. Jones edits the Journal of 9/11 Studies, an online collection of articles that has included his work."

www.us news.com/usnews/new...s/060911/11conspiracy.htm

The peer review issue's a politically-motivated attack posing as scientific reason. In any event, there's nothing there for these people to write their opinions to BYU about, is there? He blamed Bush and that's where the SHTF, these people were irrelevant. It was pure politics. He failed to disprove the notion that Bush is too incredibly stupid to have had anything to do with it. So what's your reason for saying they're all "yellow-bellied" now?

nobody  posted on  2008-06-05   22:42:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: nobody (#113)

Your quote is fine, if one wants to grant U.S. Snooze World Distorts credibility it doesn't deserve, but your reasoning is non-sequitur.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-05   23:02:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#115. To: Original_Intent (#114) (Edited)

credibility

Support your allegation that the testimony of these people could reasonably have been expected to have had some influence in the BYU hearing, else admit your attack on all of these peoples' characters was entirely subjective, lacking a definite rational basis.

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