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Title: Prominent Structural Engineers Say Official Version of 9/11 "Impossible" "Defies Common Logic" "Violates the Law of Physics"
Source: opednews.com
URL Source: http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=7524
Published: Jun 2, 2008
Author: Diary Entry by George Washington
Post Date: 2008-06-02 22:50:01 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: 911, "Impossible", "Violates the Law of Physicsā€¯
Views: 1722
Comments: 117

May 27, 2008 at 15:08:49

Prominent Structural Engineers Say Official Version of 9/11 "Impossible" "Defies Common Logic" "Violates the Law of Physics”

Diary Entry by George Washington

Prominent Structural Engineers Say Official Version of 9/11 "Impossible" "Defies Common Logic" "Violates the Law of Physics"

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Numerous structural engineers now publicly challenge the government's account of the destruction of the Trade Centers on 9/11, including:

A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also this)

Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)

Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says:

"Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition"

Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes:

"Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust."

Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England, points out:

"WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?"

Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia, argues:

"In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation!"

Mills M. Kay Mackey, structural engineer, of Denver, Colorado, points out:

"The force from the jets and the burning fuel could not have been sufficient to make the building collapse. Why doesn't the media mention that the 11th floor was completely immolated on February 13th, 1975? It had the weight of nearly 100 stories on top of it but it did not collapse?"

David Scott, Structural Engineer, of Scotland, argues:

"Near-freefall collapse violates laws of physics. Fire induced collapse is not consistent with observed collapse mode . . . ."

Nathan Lomba, Structural Engineer, of Eureka, California, states

"I began having doubts about, so called, official explanations for the collapse of the WTC towers soon after the explanations surfaced. The gnawing question that lingers in my mind is: How did the structures collapse in near symmetrical fashion when the apparent precipitating causes were asymmetrical loading? The collapses defies common logic from an elementary structural engineering perspective. “If” you accept the argument that fire protection covering was damaged to such an extent that structural members in the vicinity of the aircraft impacts were exposed to abnormally high temperatures, and “if” you accept the argument that the temperatures were high enough to weaken the structural framing, that still does not explain the relatively concentric nature of the failures.

Neither of the official precipitating sources for the collapses, namely the burning aircraft, were centered within the floor plan of either tower; both aircraft were off-center when they finally came to rest within the respective buildings. This means that, given the foregoing assumptions, heating and weakening of the structural framing would have been constrained to the immediate vicinity of the burning aircraft. Heat transmission (diffusion) through the steel members would have been irregular owing to differing sizes of the individual members; and, the temperature in the members would have dropped off precipitously the further away the steel was from the flames—just as the handle on a frying pan doesn't get hot at the same rate as the pan on the burner of the stove. These factors would have resulted in the structural framing furthest from the flames remaining intact and possessing its full structural integrity, i.e., strength and stiffness.

Structural steel is highly ductile, when subjected to compression and bending it buckles and bends long before reaching its tensile or shear capacity. Under the given assumptions, “if” the structure in the vicinity of either burning aircraft started to weaken, the superstructure above would begin to lean in the direction of the burning side. The opposite, intact, side of the building would resist toppling until the ultimate capacity of the structure was reached, at which point, a weak-link failure would undoubtedly occur. Nevertheless, the ultimate failure mode would have been a toppling of the upper floors to one side—much like the topping of a tall redwood tree—not a concentric, vertical collapse.

For this reason alone, I rejected the official explanation for the collapse of the WTC towers out of hand. Subsequent evidence supporting controlled, explosive demolition of the two buildings are more in keeping with the observed collapse modalities and only serve to validate my initial misgivings as to the causes for the structural failures."

Edward E. Knesl, civil and structural engineer, of Phoenix, Arizona, writes:

"We design and analyze buildings for the overturning stability to resist the lateral loads with the combination of the gravity loads. Any tall structure failure mode would be a fall over to its side. It is impossible that heavy steel columns could collapse at the fraction of the second within each story and subsequently at each floor below.

We do not know the phenomenon of the high rise building to disintegrate internally faster than the free fall of the debris coming down from the top.

The engineering science and the law of physics simply doesn't know such possibility. Only very sophisticated controlled demolition can achieve such result, eliminating the natural dampening effect of the structural framing huge mass that should normally stop the partial collapse. The pancake theory is a fallacy, telling us that more and more energy would be generated to accelerate the collapse. Where would such energy would be coming from ?"

David Topete, civil and structural engineer, San Francisco, California

Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)

Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin

Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)

Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer

William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College

See this website and this website for further additions.

There are many other structural engineers who have questioned the government's account in private. We support them and wish them courage to discuss these vital issues publicly.

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#3. To: TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, All (#0)

Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes:

"Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust."

Funny? I could have sworn that I was saying that 4 or 5 years ago.

Nathan Lomba, Structural Engineer, of Eureka, California, states

"I began having doubts about, so called, official explanations for the collapse of the WTC towers soon after the explanations surfaced. The gnawing question that lingers in my mind is: How did the structures collapse in near symmetrical fashion when the apparent precipitating causes were asymmetrical loading? The collapses defies common logic from an elementary structural engineering perspective. “If” you accept the argument that fire protection covering was damaged to such an extent that structural members in the vicinity of the aircraft impacts were exposed to abnormally high temperatures, and “if” you accept the argument that the temperatures were high enough to weaken the structural framing, that still does not explain the relatively concentric nature of the failures.

Funny? I could have sworn that I was saying that 4 or 5 years ago.

Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia, argues:

"In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation!"

Funny? I could have sworn that I was saying that 4 or 5 years ago.

Where were these quaking yella' bellies 4 or 5 years ago when people were already making these connections?

Methinks these clowns are speaking up only now because of the courageous people who stood up to the withering blasts of "Kook", "Conspiracy Theorist", "Whack Job", etc., ...

It was the voices of the people courageous enough to state the obvious years in advance of these late coming worms. I'm glad to see that their jellied spines have developed enough rigidity at this late date to speak up, but where were these voices on Jan. 1 2002?

Well, where were they?

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-03   1:01:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#3)

Just curious, do you have any idea when these statements were originally written, not just quoted in the article?

nobody  posted on  2008-06-03   1:09:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: nobody (#4)

Just curious, do you have any idea when these statements were originally written, not just quoted in the article?

Your point?

You do I presume?

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-03   1:44:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent (#9) (Edited)

I noticed Houndclown started the concept of "all quotes are fresh" and you contributed. There's really no point in asking you if you know how fresh the quotes are. It's obvious you have no idea.

nobody  posted on  2008-06-03   1:47:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: nobody, HOUNDDAWG, christine, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, all (#12)

I noticed Houndclown started the concept of "all quotes are fresh" and you contributed. There's really no point in asking you if you know how fresh the quotes are. It's obvious you have no idea.

What is obvious is that you are trying to start a pissing contest to divert from the topic of the thread upon which you have offered nothing of any substance. Merely brickbats, innuendoes, and sniping attacks to try to draw people off topic and into a flame contest.

Hint: If I wanted to bite you are no match for me in a flame war.

No brag. Just fact.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-03   1:52:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent, nobody, HOUNDDAWG, christine, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, all (#14)

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TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-06-03   2:01:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TwentyTwelve, christine, Original_Intent (#17)

Great replies fellas, but, I didn't bother because the relevance of The Troll's observation has yet to be established.

I think you're correct in assuming that either he is attempting to deflect away from the subject or, is in desperate need of some validation.

Having assessed his mental disorder previously I see no need to cross swords with ignorance again.

I know the difference between wit and venom and responding to the latter would favor the unworthy.

As luck would have it, we've successfully disappeared several other trolls with similar afflictions. This one was quiet for a while and is attempting to rip us off again for his own ego gratification.

Let me know if he becomes a nuisance. We can target him for aversion therapy, too.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-06-03   12:39:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: HOUNDDAWG, TwentyTwelve, christine, nobody, all (#34)

Great replies fellas, but, I didn't bother because the relevance of The Troll's observation has yet to be established.

That is because the Troll's observations are not relevant, but it is a useful tool for underscoring the fact that their are people posting on forums whose primary function is to break up discussions and try to prevent rational discourse. They are at worst an annoyance, much like finding that rats are crawling out of the sewer, and at best an amusement which inadvertently help to destroy their own spin.

I think you're correct in assuming that either he is attempting to deflect away from the subject or, is in desperate need of some validation.

Definitely diversion and disruption IMHO.

I know the difference between wit and venom and responding to the latter would favor the unworthy.

If you keep on the high road, with an occasional bon mot, they have little effect other than to underscore the presence of an active disinformation campaign. They only become a problem when you have multiple disruption points on a forum. Which reminds me - I visited El Pee the other day and noticed that 'botsands is still attacking me months after Goldi-Pox banned me for pointing out that she is a hypocritical liar (at no time did I violate any of El Pee's rules on the thread upon which she banned me - thus making it apparent that she was simply purging people whom she could not out debate or refute). The 'bots have to have something or someone to attack and I left enough of a mark on them that they still find it necessary to attack me at this late date. The point of mentioning that is not inflate myself but to underscore how much the 'bots/disruptors/PsyOperators rely upon attacking people personally to stem intelligent discussion, and that if you rely upon putting forth true statements they cannot refute then you become a perpetual target. The PsyOperators have to keep lying every day to keep their lie in place, and they require numbers which here they don't have. The truth is so much more powerful than their lies that they have to attack it at every opportunity.

Let me know if he becomes a nuisance. We can target him for aversion therapy, too.

He is as a fly looking for a comfortable stool.

I think you have hit the point though in that 'bots/PsyOperators/Hasbarfa do not long last here because they are out matched on multiple fronts. That probably is one of the things that holds down the viewership here as 'bots are not tolerated and unlike LF there is not an insane tolerance for disruptors as "having a right to speak". They are fun to engage and embarass, as much as low I.Q. paid disruptor can be embarassed, as an amusement, and as foils to point out how bankrupt the official spin is.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-03   14:44:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Original_Intent (#35)

Goldi-Pox

LOL!

She is a serious asshole.

I read what she did to you, and she no longer makes any pretense at anything but house mother for the insane system thugs.

They may dominate their little piece of the virtual universe but believe me, they know what the loss of cred cost them.

They're just another Hale-Bopp type of death cult now.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-06-03   16:25:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: HOUNDDAWG (#36)

I read what she did to you, and she no longer makes any pretense at anything but house mother for the insane system thugs.

I did get to have some fun though. I had, had a hard drive crash a couple of months prior to my banning and had opened a temporary account under a different pseudonym as an interim measure since I was having trouble contacting Goldi-Schmuck. So, I went back a couple of months later and, discovering that the temp account had not been closed, posted a scathing opus just to twist her whiskers. It only lasted about 6 hours but that was long enough to accumulate something over 100 posts on the thread. To make it more insulting I posted it first here, then on the "hallowed" "Breaking News" Ticker with the source link coming back here.

They may dominate their little piece of the virtual universe but believe me, they know what the loss of cred cost them.

Goldi-lard ass has no credibility left and she is a laughing stock because of her stupidity, arrogance, and hypocrisy. Stupidity and arrogance are not a winning combination.

They're just another Hale-Bopp type of death cult now.

I do find it amusing to pop over every now and then to look at the shills who control the site. Goldi's first allegiance is to Israhell and exposing that was one of the accomplishments of my stay. She can no longer hide behind calling herself an American because she is not. She is an Israeli residing in America. Although as a convert I find it amusing as well that Israhell is showing its colors again by making it difficult to impossible for converts to be recognized as Jews. I find it sad for her, in a sick way, because she so wants to be a Jew and belong but a percentage will never accept her and she knows that. It is a cold comfort.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-04   0:05:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Original_Intent (#42)

It must be awful to be so universally despised for her part in a losing battle.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-06-04   14:24:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: HOUNDDAWG (#45)

It must be awful to be so universally despised for her part in a losing battle.

I suspect it is so. Not only that, whether she will admit it even to herself, she is on the side of people who are no better than the inhuman Nazi beasts she exscoriates. Look at what an Israel Supporter has to support:

Genocide via murder and slow starvation.

Historically, and perhaps present, the use of biological warfare against noncombatants.

The use of White Phosphorous on noncombatants - including children.

The dehumanization of others in order to more easily murder them.

The murder and incarceration of children.

Massive suppression of hundreds of thousands of people.

The destruction of their livelihoods, their farms, and businesses.

The support of aggressive wars on Israel's behalf which has cost the lives of, minimally since their are repeated leaks that the numbers being under reported by at least 2/3, 4,000 plus American kids, and the cold blooded murder of several million people between Pipelinestan and Eyerack.

No, the load of blackness and evil on her conscience must be an awful pain. However, she has earned every bit of it.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-04   14:42:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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