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Title: Prominent Structural Engineers Say Official Version of 9/11 "Impossible" "Defies Common Logic" "Violates the Law of Physics"
Source: opednews.com
URL Source: http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=7524
Published: Jun 2, 2008
Author: Diary Entry by George Washington
Post Date: 2008-06-02 22:50:01 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: 911, "Impossible", "Violates the Law of Physicsā€¯
Views: 1491
Comments: 117

May 27, 2008 at 15:08:49

Prominent Structural Engineers Say Official Version of 9/11 "Impossible" "Defies Common Logic" "Violates the Law of Physics”

Diary Entry by George Washington

Prominent Structural Engineers Say Official Version of 9/11 "Impossible" "Defies Common Logic" "Violates the Law of Physics"

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Numerous structural engineers now publicly challenge the government's account of the destruction of the Trade Centers on 9/11, including:

A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also this)

Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)

Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says:

"Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition"

Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes:

"Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust."

Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England, points out:

"WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?"

Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia, argues:

"In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation!"

Mills M. Kay Mackey, structural engineer, of Denver, Colorado, points out:

"The force from the jets and the burning fuel could not have been sufficient to make the building collapse. Why doesn't the media mention that the 11th floor was completely immolated on February 13th, 1975? It had the weight of nearly 100 stories on top of it but it did not collapse?"

David Scott, Structural Engineer, of Scotland, argues:

"Near-freefall collapse violates laws of physics. Fire induced collapse is not consistent with observed collapse mode . . . ."

Nathan Lomba, Structural Engineer, of Eureka, California, states

"I began having doubts about, so called, official explanations for the collapse of the WTC towers soon after the explanations surfaced. The gnawing question that lingers in my mind is: How did the structures collapse in near symmetrical fashion when the apparent precipitating causes were asymmetrical loading? The collapses defies common logic from an elementary structural engineering perspective. “If” you accept the argument that fire protection covering was damaged to such an extent that structural members in the vicinity of the aircraft impacts were exposed to abnormally high temperatures, and “if” you accept the argument that the temperatures were high enough to weaken the structural framing, that still does not explain the relatively concentric nature of the failures.

Neither of the official precipitating sources for the collapses, namely the burning aircraft, were centered within the floor plan of either tower; both aircraft were off-center when they finally came to rest within the respective buildings. This means that, given the foregoing assumptions, heating and weakening of the structural framing would have been constrained to the immediate vicinity of the burning aircraft. Heat transmission (diffusion) through the steel members would have been irregular owing to differing sizes of the individual members; and, the temperature in the members would have dropped off precipitously the further away the steel was from the flames—just as the handle on a frying pan doesn't get hot at the same rate as the pan on the burner of the stove. These factors would have resulted in the structural framing furthest from the flames remaining intact and possessing its full structural integrity, i.e., strength and stiffness.

Structural steel is highly ductile, when subjected to compression and bending it buckles and bends long before reaching its tensile or shear capacity. Under the given assumptions, “if” the structure in the vicinity of either burning aircraft started to weaken, the superstructure above would begin to lean in the direction of the burning side. The opposite, intact, side of the building would resist toppling until the ultimate capacity of the structure was reached, at which point, a weak-link failure would undoubtedly occur. Nevertheless, the ultimate failure mode would have been a toppling of the upper floors to one side—much like the topping of a tall redwood tree—not a concentric, vertical collapse.

For this reason alone, I rejected the official explanation for the collapse of the WTC towers out of hand. Subsequent evidence supporting controlled, explosive demolition of the two buildings are more in keeping with the observed collapse modalities and only serve to validate my initial misgivings as to the causes for the structural failures."

Edward E. Knesl, civil and structural engineer, of Phoenix, Arizona, writes:

"We design and analyze buildings for the overturning stability to resist the lateral loads with the combination of the gravity loads. Any tall structure failure mode would be a fall over to its side. It is impossible that heavy steel columns could collapse at the fraction of the second within each story and subsequently at each floor below.

We do not know the phenomenon of the high rise building to disintegrate internally faster than the free fall of the debris coming down from the top.

The engineering science and the law of physics simply doesn't know such possibility. Only very sophisticated controlled demolition can achieve such result, eliminating the natural dampening effect of the structural framing huge mass that should normally stop the partial collapse. The pancake theory is a fallacy, telling us that more and more energy would be generated to accelerate the collapse. Where would such energy would be coming from ?"

David Topete, civil and structural engineer, San Francisco, California

Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)

Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin

Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)

Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer

William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College

See this website and this website for further additions.

There are many other structural engineers who have questioned the government's account in private. We support them and wish them courage to discuss these vital issues publicly.

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#3. To: TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, All (#0)

Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes:

"Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust."

Funny? I could have sworn that I was saying that 4 or 5 years ago.

Nathan Lomba, Structural Engineer, of Eureka, California, states

"I began having doubts about, so called, official explanations for the collapse of the WTC towers soon after the explanations surfaced. The gnawing question that lingers in my mind is: How did the structures collapse in near symmetrical fashion when the apparent precipitating causes were asymmetrical loading? The collapses defies common logic from an elementary structural engineering perspective. “If” you accept the argument that fire protection covering was damaged to such an extent that structural members in the vicinity of the aircraft impacts were exposed to abnormally high temperatures, and “if” you accept the argument that the temperatures were high enough to weaken the structural framing, that still does not explain the relatively concentric nature of the failures.

Funny? I could have sworn that I was saying that 4 or 5 years ago.

Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia, argues:

"In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation!"

Funny? I could have sworn that I was saying that 4 or 5 years ago.

Where were these quaking yella' bellies 4 or 5 years ago when people were already making these connections?

Methinks these clowns are speaking up only now because of the courageous people who stood up to the withering blasts of "Kook", "Conspiracy Theorist", "Whack Job", etc., ...

It was the voices of the people courageous enough to state the obvious years in advance of these late coming worms. I'm glad to see that their jellied spines have developed enough rigidity at this late date to speak up, but where were these voices on Jan. 1 2002?

Well, where were they?

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-03   1:01:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#3)

Just curious, do you have any idea when these statements were originally written, not just quoted in the article?

nobody  posted on  2008-06-03   1:09:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: nobody (#4)

Just curious, do you have any idea when these statements were originally written, not just quoted in the article?

The short answer is no - other than they have to be relatively recent i.e., the last 2 years or more recent. I've been following the evolution of the discrediting of the 911 "Official Fairy Tale" and the slow recognition by more and more people that 911 WAS an INSIDE job. I've been following the issue since about a month after the day with the recognition that the towers were pulled via explosive demolition. I've followed the debate and those who have come forward and the quotes in the thread article are largely Johnny-Come-Latelys. I'm glad to see them on board but my comment stands: Where were their balls 4 years ago?

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-04   14:34:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Original_Intent (#46) (Edited)

they have to be relatively recent i.e., the last 2 years or more recent

These aren't new quotes. You're saying you haven't checked the list over at the site I mentioned in the last two years and you remember which ones were already there? I doubt that's what's happened. Give it up.

Look, how are they supposed to notify you of their stand in a timely manner if you haven't checked the site in over two years? Are they supposed to go on the Today Show, send you an e-mail, what??

nobody  posted on  2008-06-04   23:25:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: nobody, buckeye, TwentyTwelve, HOUNDDAWG, Wudidiz, all (#49)

You are simply trying to manufacture a gotcha.

You have made an assertion. It is incumbent upon you to prove your point.

You know you can't and I know you can't. You are simply engaging in disinformation tactics and are simply attempting to disparage the point without providing one shred of proof to support your contention. That is a standard disinformation tactic.

Ref.: Twenty Five Ways to Suppress The Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.


Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist

1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.



Why do you find it necessary to engage in disinformation tactics?


Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-05   0:39:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: nobody, Original_Intent (#50)

You've just gotten the O_I logical fallacy smoke screen. I think this is a cut and paste.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-05   20:51:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#87. To: buckeye (#86)

O_I logical fallacy smoke screen. I think this is a cut and paste.

Let's just call it, and the clever animated gifs, what they are: SPAM in the service of BS.

nobody  posted on  2008-06-05 21:02:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: buckeye, HOUNDDAWG, TwentyTwelve, nobody (#86)

You've just gotten the O_I logical fallacy smoke screen. I think this is a cut and paste.

It is called posting a reference. I long ago ceased wasting time doing a point by point refutation for people who insist upon using fallacious reasoning.

I stated an opinion and observation and got a snide attack upon it. I responded by disecting the attack. Nothing unusual in that. My intolerance of your apparent friend extends prior to this thread and thus my short fuse.

If my stated opinion is incorrect then correct it with sound logic and support of your reasoning. Otherwise I will treat it as an unsupported assertion, a logical fallacy, and if couched in insulting or uncivil language such as an implied attack and/or accusation will treat it as an attack and respond appropriately to the originator.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-06-05 21:25:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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