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Title: Jim Webb, Iron Intellectual
Source: The Trail
URL Source: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the- ... im_webb_iron_intellectual.html
Published: Jun 6, 2008
Author: Alec MacGillis
Post Date: 2008-06-06 19:33:05 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 2602
Comments: 219

Barack Obama

Jim Webb, Iron Intellectual

By Alec MacGillis
Lost in the hubbub over Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton's secret rendezvous at Sen. Dianne Feinstein's house last night were some of the intriguing ramifications of Obama's previous appointment, a rally at the Nissan Pavilion in the Northern Virginia exurbs that was also attended by Sen. Jim Webb and Gov. Tim Kaine.

Both men, of course, have been mentioned as possible running mates for Obama -- and, in the eyes of the veep-obsessed press, that made the event into an audition of sorts.


This was particularly true for Webb, who, unlike Kaine, was making his first appearance in the role of an Obama booster, having stayed neutral throughout the primaries. One thing quickly became clear, as the red-haired senator introduced the presumptive nominee: those pushing for Webb because they think he will bring muscular, regular-guy credentials -- Marine hero in Vietnam, former Navy secretary, Scots-Irish roots -- may need to think again.

There's no doubt that Webb is tough. He's stood up to President Bush at a White House reception and has a concealed-carry gun license. But he also sees himself as a serious, free-thinking intellectual. He has a bevy of fairly well-regarded books under his belt and prides himself on writing his own stump material.

If yesterday's joint appearance was any indication, far from canceling out Obama's Ivy League pedigree, an Obama-Webb ticket could be one of the most literary pairings ever to take the field.

Whereas Kaine served up a fairly conventional Democratic rallying cry, Webb embarked on a meditation on American history and self-conception over the past forty years. He noted that it was the 40th anniversary not only of Bobby Kennedy's assassination but also of his own swearing into the Marine Corps. He took the audience back to that "tumultuous year" -- the assassinations, the Tet offensive, the riots in which "the African American sections in many American cities had erupted with frequent violence" and the Democratic convention in Chicago.

Webb said he was giving the history tour "because we all know that the United States of 2008 is also a troubled and divided place in a quiet but equally disturbing way."

"The tumult of those earlier years," he went on, "convinced me and others that we needed to learn our love our country more deeply for all its ugly flaws, because it required us to sit back and reconsider the beliefs and values that had once been handed to us as our national legacy. We went through an intellectual challenge in justifying America's uniqueness on fresh grounds and this caused us to believe all the more strongly that ... that this was the moral beacon of the world, that for all or problems we had the will to solve them, the patience to undergo the painful debates that might identify solutions ... and the constitutional system that will provide remedies and thus hold us together as a people."

After a bit more in this vein, Webb got around to introducing Obama -- whom he praised, before all else, not for his toughness or determination, the qualities one might expect the ex-Marine to highlight, but for his brains.

"He is man of great intellect," said Webb. He then drove home the praise by punctuating the final sentence of his introduction with a loud fist pound on the podium.

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#83. To: James Deffenbach (#81)

Sounds like a rationalization for the Kennedy's pushing to allow the Irish to become dual citizens.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   9:39:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: buckeye (#79)

Gun-toting hippie yuppie?

And guilt ridden to boot.

Take a look at the the people around Obama, his "handlers" and his major supporters.

One sees NO BLACKS, all whites and nearly all Jews. From his controller, Axelrod, on down the line it is apparent who is in charge and who is the puppet.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-07   9:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Cynicom, Ferret Mike, avrwc, Arator (#84)

Farrakhan loves Obama.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-07   9:42:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Ferret Mike (#82)

Mike, I've read your #82 in response to my simple question, "what legislation has Obama put forward that places America First." You didn't answer the question, and we both know why.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   9:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: James Deffenbach (#80)

"whitey hating Marxist"

Whitey is an archaic slang term you use to be subtle about your racist attitudes. Do us a favor, use your own colloquialisms, or use punctuation ('') to denote where you borrow slang from others. Especially when you do it to paint the term as one endemic to use by Negroes today in the United States in order to put all of them down.

We get it if you say 'white' instead of whitey anyway, so why not just say it as you normally would if you were not posturing?


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-06-07   9:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#71)

I argued against the "lesser of evils" since Dole in '96. That year I voted for Perot on the Reform ticket. As I suspected back then, nothing has changed except for the degree of socialism the "lessors" present with. As American Firsters, we either have a set of convictions that cannot be bargained with , or we become part of the problem. To choose Obama is to perpetuate the problem.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   9:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Jethro Tull (#88)

Thank you for describing my attitude exactly, JT.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-07   9:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Jethro Tull (#86)

"Mike, I've read your #82 in response to my simple question, "what legislation has Obama put forward that places America First." You didn't answer the question, and we both know why."

I know why too, it's a bull shit question. Barack Obama has has an excellent career putting people first by working to serve the public rather then to use his education to build wealth and to go places in the business world.

He is putting America first by running, just as he put America first by opposing the illegal immoral war Bush started in Iraq. If you want specific legislative accomplishments or other career data, go Google it, or look in the wiki. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama)

He has doing what is best for America foremost on his mind and will be a unifying force that moves us ahead. That is why I support him for President this year.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-06-07   9:53:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Ferret Mike (#90)

... putting people first ...

Which people?

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-07   9:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Ferret Mike (#90)

I know why too, it's a bull shit question.

So to question his legislative inadequacies is bull shit?

OK.....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   9:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Jethro Tull (#64)

The Os are to Obama as Marshall Applewhite was to Heaven's Gate.

A point I made to some of them just the other day. They are waiting on the comet and getting the Kook Aid ready--and apparently they have already quaffed great quantities of it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   10:01:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: buckeye (#89)

You're welcome, buckeye.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   10:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Arator (#19)

shall rule over them

NOBODY rules over me!!

This little statement yours is what the baseline problem is in the US.

Too many profoundly STUPID people really believe this.

Those that do should be put to death for the liberty and safety of the rest of us..

Lady X  posted on  2008-06-07   10:09:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Lady X (#95)

Great speech. Stand up on on a bar counter and belt it out sometime.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-07   10:11:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: buckeye (#96)

Please don't tell me you're one of those 'people' that think politicians are your betters to'rule'over you??

Lady X  posted on  2008-06-07   10:13:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Lady X (#97)

In a word? No. Regardless of what they think their job descriptions are, they are only in office to represent us, and defend our liberty.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-07   10:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: James Deffenbach (#56)

The issue is again, the lesser of two evils. McCain by far is the greater of two evils. He is a traitor, a liar, a communitarian (new age communist) and a whipped puppy when it comes to obeying the elite. If voting for Obama means keeping McCain out of the whitehouse then I will do it. McCain is bush on steroids. Besides, as Statlin said and we learned in 2000, it's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-06-07   10:18:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: buckeye (#98)

That's what they're supposed to do but too many of the general public worship them.

They more I think about this the more I realize the problem is not with the politicians it's with the sheeple that empowered them.

Lady X  posted on  2008-06-07   10:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: James Deffenbach (#81)

And his wife being Asian would be a good reason to vote for the destruction of the first amendment? Are there not already enough laws on the books to punish actual harm done to people without going so far as to penalize their thoughts? Or to try to get into their heads to know why they murdered someone? Are the people not just as dead either way and is the punishment already prescribed for willful and wanton murder not good enough? "Hate crimes laws" are bull$#it and need to be called that and those who vote in favor of such stupidity need to be run out of Washington, not elevated to a higher position.

well said

christine  posted on  2008-06-07   10:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Lady X, Buckeye (#97)

Buckeye? Think politicians and others should rule over us? LLLLLOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL

Sit back, relax and after awhile the drugs will wear off LOL.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-06-07   10:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Lady X (#97)

Lady X, good morning.

Please go gently with the Os. Perhaps you have seen their cars of late; I have. The Obama sticker is firmly fixed to the back bumper, next to the "Save the whales", "Give peace a chance", and of course they'd never cover up their Kerry/Edwards and Gore/Liberman stickers. Their car of choice is the Prius, provided they have less than a 50" waist.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   10:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Jethro Tull (#103)

Hello!

The Obama people will be profoundly disappointed to say the least.

Looks like I'll get to say 'I told you so' yet again..

Lady X  posted on  2008-06-07   10:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

Webb is Scots-Irish like me, and of course we are superior over everyone else. Eat your hearts out, hah hah!

It is impossible to decutify me.

Turtle  posted on  2008-06-07   10:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: buckeye, Ferret Mike (#65)

I don't think FM likes Obama only because of white guilt. He's caught up in the good-cop, bad-cop game they're playing on us.

Yeah, I am afraid he is gullible and naive. But then he is a self admitted "liberal" and that kinda goes together. (I would consider myself a "liberal" IF that term meant the same as it did at the time of the founders--unfortunately it now means something 180 degrees different now and I don't consider myself a "liberal." But then, if Bush (either of them) is a "conservative" I am not that either).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   10:38:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: James Deffenbach (#106)

But then he is a self admitted "liberal" and that kinda goes together.

Just as you and I are admitted "conservatives." But we're not voting for McCain, Romney, Huckabee, or Hunter.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-07   10:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: James Deffenbach (#106)

I'd rather not even type Songbird's name.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-07   10:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Turtle (#105)

Webb is Scots-Irish like me, and of course we are superior over everyone else. Eat your hearts out, hah hah!

Not necessarily true.

There are "lace" Irish, (me) and then there are "shanty" Irish (turtle). hehehehehe

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-07   10:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Ferret Mike (#87)

Whitey is an archaic slang term you use to be subtle about your racist attitudes. Do us a favor, use your own colloquialisms, or use punctuation ('') to denote where you borrow slang from others. Especially when you do it to paint the term as one endemic to use by Negroes today in the United States in order to put all of them down.

We get it if you say 'white' instead of whitey anyway, so why not just say it as you normally would if you were not posturing?

I will use the terms I want to use if it is all the same to you.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   10:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Jethro Tull (#67)

Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007

Obama voted yes

Highlights:

-States that most American forces will be redeployed from Iraq by March 31, 2008, with a limited number of troops remaining to protect American personnel and infrastructure, to train and equip Iraqi forces, and to conduct targeted counter-terrorism operations (Title I (Chapter 3 (Sec 1315 (b))))

-Withholds $1.41 billion from the Economic Support Fund and International Narcotics Control and Law Enforcement Fund appropriations made in this bill if the Iraqi government does not meet certain benchmarks, including establishing a system to 33;equitably33; share oil revenues among all Iraqis, implementing a system and schedule for provincial and local elections, and executing a plan to spend $10 billion in reconstruction projects on an 33;equitable33; basis (Title I (Chapter 11 (Sec 1710 (a))))

-Requires certain federal agencies to develop plans to minimize the use of no-bid and cost-reimbursement contracts (Title II (Chapter 6 (Sec 204 (e (2)))))

-Raises the federal minimum wage to $5.85 per hour starting the 60th day after enactment of this Act, $6.55 per hour one year after that 60th day, and $7.25 per hour two years after that 60th day (Title V (Sec 501))

-Creates additional tax credits for businesses and waives the alternative minimum tax limits on the work opportunity credit and the credit for taxes paid with respect to employee cash tips (Title V (Sec 510-515))

-$969 million for the Department of Agriculture, including $557 million for the war on terror, and $412 million for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes

-$615.69 million for the Department of Justice, including $445.69 million for the war on terror, and $170 million for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes

-$98.52 billion for the Department of Defense, including $93.68 billion for the war on terror and $4.85 billion for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes

-$63 million for the Department of Energy for its efforts in the war on terror

-$6.31 billion for the Department of Homeland Security, including $2 billion for the war on terror and $4.31 billion for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes

-$5.77 billion for the Department of State for its efforts in the war on terror

-$221.9 million for the Department of Commerce for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes

-$146.19 million for the Department of Interior for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes

-$1.53 billion for the Department of Health and Human Services for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes

-$57.41 million for the Department of Education for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes

-$1.77 billion for the Department of Veterans Affairs

-$75 million for the Department of Transportation

Vetoed by President.

Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense and Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq

Obama voted YES

-States that no person in the custody of the U.S. Government can be subject to any interrogation methods not listed in the U.S. Army Field Manual FM2-22.3 Human Intelligence Collector Operations (Sec. 102).

-Sets a goal for the President to begin redeploying U.S. Armed Forces from Iraq within 30 days after enactment of this act, starting with units that have been deployed over 365 days, to be completed no later than December 15, 2008 (Sec. 105).

-Requires the Secretary of Defense to submit a report by February 1, 2008 to Congressional defense committees that describes the current plan and status for the reduction of U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq, and delays any additional funding until this report is submitted to Congress (Sec. 105, 106).

-Requires that none of the appropriated funds may be used to establish a permanent military installation in Iraq or to control any oil resources in Iraq (Sec. 210).

Reinstate Pay-As-You-Go through 2011 Amendment

Obama voted yes

Vote to adopt an amendment that prohibits the Senate from considering legislation that would increase the current 33;on-budget deficit33; or create an on-budget deficit at any time from 2006 to 2011.

Earned Income Tax Credit Amendment

Obama voted yes

S Amdt 2616 to S 2020: To accelerate marriage penalty relief for the earned income tax credit, to extend the election to include combat pay in earned income, and to make modifications of effective dates of leasing provisions of the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004.

Vote on a motion to waive the Budget Act in order to adopt an amendment that increases the deduction or credit that married couples filing joint tax returns can qualify for by $3,000 in 2005 instead of the proposed 2007 start date.

Hurricane Victims Tax Benefit Amendment

Obama voted yes

- Indicates that a nonresidential or residential rental property affected by Hurricane Katrina will receive an allowance equal to 50 percent of adjusted basis of the property, the otherwise depreciation deduction then calculated on the reduced adjusted basis.

- Increases the state low-income housing credit limit for Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi

- Designates property placed in service in an area affected by the hurricanes during 2006, 2007, or 2008 a 33;difficult development area33; for tax purposes

- Allows individuals to treat up to 50 percent of 33;qualified Gulf recovery zone clean-up as an expense not chargeable to a capital account33; when the property is used for business or trade

- Allows individuals who lived in areas affected by the hurricanes to receive up to $100,000 from another individual's retirement plan without increasing the amount the individual receiving the finacial help is taxed

- Grants employers affected by the hurricanes an employee retention credit of up to 40 percent of qualified wages paid

- Suspends, temporarily, limitations on charitable contributions that are tax deductible for efforts related to relief from the hurricanes

- Suspends the minimal limit on personal casualty losses that are tax deductible for areas affected by the hurricanes

- Increases the alternative minimum tax exemption amount for individual taxpayers

- Extends superfund taxes until 2015

S Amdt 2371 to S 1932: To amend title XVIII of the Social Security Act to provide the authority for negotiating fair prices for medicare prescription drugs.

Obama voted yes.

Vote on a motion to waive the Budget Act, in order to adopt an amendment that grants the Secretary of Health and Human Services authority to negotiate contracts with drug manufactures for lower prices on bulk prescription drugs for Medicare.

S Con Res 18 S AMDT 210 to S Con Res 18: To repeal the tax subsidy for certain domestic companies which move manufacturing operations and American jobs offshore.

Obama voted yes.

Vote to adopt an amendment that would repeal the tax subsidy for American businesses that relocate jobs and manufacturing operations overseas.

S Amdt 3907 to S Amdt 3911 to S 2248

Obama voted yes

Vote to adopt an amendment that strikes Title II from the bill, in effect striking the civil immunity provisions for telecommunications providers and other electronic communications providers that have provided electronic surveillance.

S Amdt 3910 to S Amdt 3911 to S 2248

Obama voted yes.

Vote to adopt an amendment that states that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is the exclusive means by which surveillance can be conducted on domestic wire, oral, or electronic communications. (no bush, neocon spying permitted)

S 1042

S Amdt 1351 to S 1042: To stop corporations from financing terrorism.

Obama voted yes

Vote to adopt an amendment that makes U.S. businesses and their subsidiaries liable to prosecution for dealing with foreign businesses which have links to terrorism or whose parent country supports terrorism.

S Amdt 2022 to S Amdt 2011 to HR 1585: To restore habeas corpus for those detained by the United States.

Obama voted yes

S 1: A bill to provide greater transparency in the legislative process.

Obama voted yes.

-Increases the mandatory waiting period before becoming a lobbyist to two years after leaving office for former Senators and senior executive personnel, one year for former members of the House of Representatives, and one year for officers and staff of the Senate [Title I (Sec. 101)].

-Requires that every six months lobbyists disclose all donations made to Federal candidates or officeholders, leadership Political Action Committees (PAC's), or political party committees that were greater than or equal to $200 [Title II (Sec. 203 [a])].

-Requires candidate committees, leadership PAC's, and political party committees to disclose bundled contributions by a lobbyist totaling over $15,000 within a six-month period [Title II (Sec. 204)].

-Prohibits members of the House from participating in events that honor them at the presidential nominating convention for the party in which they belong if the event is directly paid for by a registered lobbyist unless they are a candidate for president or vice president at the convention [Title III (Sec. 305)].

-Prohibits any member of Congress from participating in the Civil Service Retirement System if convicted of bribery, fraud, perjury, corruption, conspiracy or other related offenses [Title IV (Sec. 401 [a])].

-Requires a Senator who intends to object to proceeding to a measure to submit a notice of intent in writing to the Majority or Minority leader and, no less than six session days after the submission of the notice, submit a notice to the Congressional Record that states the Senator's objection and details the reasons [Title V (Sec. 512)].

-Requires that Senators who submit earmark requests on a bill or committee report be identified as the sponsor of their requests on a publicly accessible congressional website at least 48 hours before the item comes to a vote [Tile V (Sec. 521)].

-Requires that Senators, candidates for Senate, or Presidential candidates using non-commercial air travel pay the fair market value of the usual charter fare or rental charge for a comparable plane of comparable size [Title VI (Sec. 601)].

-Prohibits House members and candidates from accepting travel on an aircraft unless it is operated by a commercial carrier, an entity of the Federal government, or the government of any state [Title VI (Sec. 601)].

S Amdt 2476 to S 1042: To establish a special committee of the Senate to investigate the awarding and carrying out of contracts to conduct activities in Afghanistan and Iraq and to fight the war on terrorism.

Obama voted yes.

Vote to adopt an amendment that creates a special committee to investigate the awarding of contracts in Afghanistan and Iraq taking into consideration: bidding, methods of contracting, subcontracting, oversight procedures, allegations of wasteful practices, accountability and lessons learned in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Iraq Troop Reduction Amendment

Obama voted yes

Vote to adopt an amendment to begin reducing the number of U.S. forces in Iraq within 90 days of the enactment of this bill, with the exception of a limited number of U.S. forces to be engaged in targeted counterterrorism, the training of Iraqi forces, and the protection of U.S. personnel and infrastructure.

Time Between Troop Deployments

Obama voted yes

Vote to adopt an amendment that adds language to HR 1585 establishing mandatory minimum rest periods for members of the regular and reserve components of the armed forces between deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and expressing the sense of the Congress concerning ideal rest periods between these deployments.

-Prohibits the deployment of members of the regular armed forces unless the time period between deployments is at least as long as the period of the previous deployment.

-Expresses the sense of the Congress that the optimal time period between deployments for members of the regular armed forces should be at least twice as long as the period of the previous deployment.

-Prohibits the deployment of members of the Reserve Armed Forces and National Guard if the member has been deployed within the preceding three years.

-Expresses the sense of the Congress that members of the Reserve Armed Forces should not be mobilized continuously for more than one year, and that the optimal time period between deployments should be at least five years.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-06-07   11:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: James Deffenbach (#81)

And his wife being Asian would be a good reason to vote for the destruction of the first amendment?

No I did not say it was a good reason. That was not my point.

If you care to look back to the context of my remarks, I was saying that I was not convinced that Webb had bought into the Dem Party platform schtick and that this might cause conflicts for him and O if O chose Webb as VP.

My example of Webb voting for the hate speech law was to show that his vote may have had more to do with a personal bias issue close to home than it had to do with his believing in it as a Dem platform issue.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-06-07   12:08:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Arator (#44) (Edited)

Civilization is not the product of any single race or skin- pigmentation. When our "white" ancestors were backwoods barbarians chasing game in northern European forests, the foundation of the civilization that those primitives would later come to inherit was being laid by darker-skinned folk in Africa and the Near East. When our "white" ancestors were still hacking each other to pieces and wallowing in ignorance during the Dark Ages, Arab civilization was preserving the wisdom of the ancients in the East and advancing the science of mathematics for later transmission to us, which made the Italian Rennaisance possible. Where would our civilization be without the advances made by the Chinese, which we received via Marco Polo when he returned from his great trek to the Far East?

It is only in the last five-hundred years that Western and Northern European peoples have become dominant, thanks in no small part to prior advances made by other peoples in other parts of the globe. In the greater scope of human history, Northern and Western European "whites" have been rather unexceptional and even barbaric for the most part. The last five-hundred years is the exception, not the rule, and our dominance in this epoch is in no small part derivative from prior advances made or preserved in former epochs dominated by non-"white" peoples.

History both exalts and humbles, in turn. No civilization or people remains dominant forever. The truly exceptional civilizations will understand this, and remain humble even when exalted and (temporarily) dominant. If we become too full of ourselves, our turn to be humbled and dominated by others is likely to come sooner than we think.

Blah blah blah...yawn...

Wake up and change gears. You are not posting on the daily kos to full-of- themselves artsy fartsy college graduate taxicab drivers who love to use moral equivalence on every issue they face.

Whites=progress and I stand by that.

Look at the list of Nobel Prize recipients for sciences. Look at any list for prize winners in science and medicine and inventions for that matter. Let wiki be your best friend.

Read a book on IQ and the bell curve.

Look at the scientific and tech contributions of Africa and Mexico.

I rest my case. It's not of racism. It'a a matter of realism.

You are being silly for not being able to credit, compliment whites for their contributions - it sticks like a craw in your throat. Your liberal politics have clouded your common sense.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-06-07   12:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Lady X (#95)

NOBODY rules over me!!

This little statement yours is what the baseline problem is in the US.

Too many profoundly STUPID people really believe this.

Those that do should be put to death for the liberty and safety of the rest of us..

Exactly!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   12:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: James Deffenbach (#110)

"I will use the terms I want to use if it is all the same to you."

By all means. I never intend to tell any fellow interlocutor what to do in any event, James old man. As you know, waiting for people who post with you to adopt your point of view is not something that commonly happens.

But just as you like to do, I wanted to make a point.

But then again, you knew that anyway. ;-)


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-06-07   12:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Lady X (#95) (Edited)

shall rule over them

NOBODY rules over me!!

I was speaking to the fears of the negrophobes/white supremacist types. This is how they see it. Any black in a position of leadership "over them" is an intolerable affront to their entire world view. Hence, the mocking universe's laughter at them, which I also referenced, as Barack Obama makes his ascent to the pinnacle of American political power.

It's the prospect of kharmic justice becoming actualized, which is delightful every time it happens. And just as Obama was the agent for the outworking of kharmic justice for the Clintons, so too will he be for the fascist GOPers, the neocons and, yes, the loathsome white supremicists among us. This prospect alone makes him THE CANDIDATE to support. On the great pool table of life, he's akin to a bank shot that sinks four balls simultaneously, racking up a kharmic justice jackpot. This is why I find his candidacy so compelling and irresistable. He's not the messiah, but it is evident (at least to me) that the universe is working its will through him nonetheless. Just ask the Clintons.

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2008-06-07   12:25:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#99)

The issue is again, the lesser of two evils.

Sorry, I don't vote for what I know to be evil and to me they are both evil. Both traitors and one worlder stooges. I want nothing to do with either of them and wouldn't vote for either of them if someone were holding a gun on me.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   12:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Arator (#116)

It's the prospect of kharmic justice becoming actualized

LOL

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-07   12:27:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: christine (#101)

well said

Thank you.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   12:27:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: buckeye (#107)

Just as you and I are admitted "conservatives." But we're not voting for McCain, Romney, Huckabee, or Hunter.

Yep. While I do consider myself conservative I certainly don't consider most of the politicians who call themselves that to be honest and forthright.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   12:30:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: scrapper2 (#112)

My example of Webb voting for the hate speech law was to show that his vote may have had more to do with a personal bias issue close to home than it had to do with his believing in it as a Dem platform issue.

I don't really care what his reason for voting for unconstitutional bs is. Just the fact that he doesn't know it is unconstitutional tells me all I need to know about him.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   12:33:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: buckeye (#118)

Kharma's a bhitch.

nobody  posted on  2008-06-07   12:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: James Deffenbach (#106)

"Yeah, I am afraid he is gullible and naive."

I was in the 82nd Airborne Division when I was in the Army the first time. One slang appelation for Division is, "African Airborne," because of the 'AA' in the unit patch, and the large African American demographic of Division. And what I found out when I lived and worked with people from all parts of the spectrum of humanity is that race was just a minor detail in the big picture of getting to know someone.

I got over thinking people of any race were any different then any other a long time ago.

I know Caucasians and Negroes who are extraordinary to being just mundane, average folks to being real scoundrels. I don't put one race or the other on a pillar, to me it's all the same thing, humanity.

I see Barack Obama as a unifier who will help us get past the bullshit of racism and neocon thinking where if you disagree, you are an enemy fit only to be annihilated.

You do not, and that is your prerogative. But whether you want it to happen or not Barack Obama is going to get a chance when he wins in November to prove he can deliver.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-06-07   12:38:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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