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Title: Jim Webb, Iron Intellectual
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Published: Jun 6, 2008
Author: Alec MacGillis
Post Date: 2008-06-06 19:33:05 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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By Alec MacGillis Both men, of course, have been mentioned as possible running mates for Obama -- and, in the eyes of the veep-obsessed press, that made the event into an audition of sorts. There's no doubt that Webb is tough. He's stood up to President Bush at a White House reception and has a concealed-carry gun license. But he also sees himself as a serious, free-thinking intellectual. He has a bevy of fairly well-regarded books under his belt and prides himself on writing his own stump material. If yesterday's joint appearance was any indication, far from canceling out Obama's Ivy League pedigree, an Obama-Webb ticket could be one of the most literary pairings ever to take the field. Whereas Kaine served up a fairly conventional Democratic rallying cry, Webb embarked on a meditation on American history and self-conception over the past forty years. He noted that it was the 40th anniversary not only of Bobby Kennedy's assassination but also of his own swearing into the Marine Corps. He took the audience back to that "tumultuous year" -- the assassinations, the Tet offensive, the riots in which "the African American sections in many American cities had erupted with frequent violence" and the Democratic convention in Chicago. Webb said he was giving the history tour "because we all know that the United States of 2008 is also a troubled and divided place in a quiet but equally disturbing way." "The tumult of those earlier years," he went on, "convinced me and others that we needed to learn our love our country more deeply for all its ugly flaws, because it required us to sit back and reconsider the beliefs and values that had once been handed to us as our national legacy. We went through an intellectual challenge in justifying America's uniqueness on fresh grounds and this caused us to believe all the more strongly that ... that this was the moral beacon of the world, that for all or problems we had the will to solve them, the patience to undergo the painful debates that might identify solutions ... and the constitutional system that will provide remedies and thus hold us together as a people." "He is man of great intellect," said Webb. He then drove home the praise by punctuating the final sentence of his introduction with a loud fist pound on the podium.
Barack Obama
Jim Webb, Iron Intellectual
Lost in the hubbub over Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton's secret rendezvous at Sen. Dianne Feinstein's house last night were some of the intriguing ramifications of Obama's previous appointment, a rally at the Nissan Pavilion in the Northern Virginia exurbs that was also attended by Sen. Jim Webb and Gov. Tim Kaine.
This was particularly true for Webb, who, unlike Kaine, was making his first appearance in the role of an Obama booster, having stayed neutral throughout the primaries. One thing quickly became clear, as the red-haired senator introduced the presumptive nominee: those pushing for Webb because they think he will bring muscular, regular-guy credentials -- Marine hero in Vietnam, former Navy secretary, Scots-Irish roots -- may need to think again.
After a bit more in this vein, Webb got around to introducing Obama -- whom he praised, before all else, not for his toughness or determination, the qualities one might expect the ex-Marine to highlight, but for his brains.
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We get it if you say 'white' instead of whitey anyway, so why not just say it as you normally would if you were not posturing? I will use the terms I want to use if it is all the same to you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 Obama voted yes Highlights: -States that most American forces will be redeployed from Iraq by March 31, 2008, with a limited number of troops remaining to protect American personnel and infrastructure, to train and equip Iraqi forces, and to conduct targeted counter-terrorism operations (Title I (Chapter 3 (Sec 1315 (b)))) -Withholds $1.41 billion from the Economic Support Fund and International Narcotics Control and Law Enforcement Fund appropriations made in this bill if the Iraqi government does not meet certain benchmarks, including establishing a system to 33;equitably33; share oil revenues among all Iraqis, implementing a system and schedule for provincial and local elections, and executing a plan to spend $10 billion in reconstruction projects on an 33;equitable33; basis (Title I (Chapter 11 (Sec 1710 (a)))) -Requires certain federal agencies to develop plans to minimize the use of no-bid and cost-reimbursement contracts (Title II (Chapter 6 (Sec 204 (e (2))))) -Raises the federal minimum wage to $5.85 per hour starting the 60th day after enactment of this Act, $6.55 per hour one year after that 60th day, and $7.25 per hour two years after that 60th day (Title V (Sec 501)) -Creates additional tax credits for businesses and waives the alternative minimum tax limits on the work opportunity credit and the credit for taxes paid with respect to employee cash tips (Title V (Sec 510-515)) -$969 million for the Department of Agriculture, including $557 million for the war on terror, and $412 million for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$615.69 million for the Department of Justice, including $445.69 million for the war on terror, and $170 million for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$98.52 billion for the Department of Defense, including $93.68 billion for the war on terror and $4.85 billion for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$63 million for the Department of Energy for its efforts in the war on terror -$6.31 billion for the Department of Homeland Security, including $2 billion for the war on terror and $4.31 billion for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$5.77 billion for the Department of State for its efforts in the war on terror -$221.9 million for the Department of Commerce for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$146.19 million for the Department of Interior for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$1.53 billion for the Department of Health and Human Services for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$57.41 million for the Department of Education for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$1.77 billion for the Department of Veterans Affairs -$75 million for the Department of Transportation Vetoed by President. Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense and Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq Obama voted YES -States that no person in the custody of the U.S. Government can be subject to any interrogation methods not listed in the U.S. Army Field Manual FM2-22.3 Human Intelligence Collector Operations (Sec. 102). -Sets a goal for the President to begin redeploying U.S. Armed Forces from Iraq within 30 days after enactment of this act, starting with units that have been deployed over 365 days, to be completed no later than December 15, 2008 (Sec. 105). -Requires the Secretary of Defense to submit a report by February 1, 2008 to Congressional defense committees that describes the current plan and status for the reduction of U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq, and delays any additional funding until this report is submitted to Congress (Sec. 105, 106). -Requires that none of the appropriated funds may be used to establish a permanent military installation in Iraq or to control any oil resources in Iraq (Sec. 210). Reinstate Pay-As-You-Go through 2011 Amendment Obama voted yes Vote to adopt an amendment that prohibits the Senate from considering legislation that would increase the current 33;on-budget deficit33; or create an on-budget deficit at any time from 2006 to 2011. Earned Income Tax Credit Amendment Obama voted yes S Amdt 2616 to S 2020: To accelerate marriage penalty relief for the earned income tax credit, to extend the election to include combat pay in earned income, and to make modifications of effective dates of leasing provisions of the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004. Vote on a motion to waive the Budget Act in order to adopt an amendment that increases the deduction or credit that married couples filing joint tax returns can qualify for by $3,000 in 2005 instead of the proposed 2007 start date. Hurricane Victims Tax Benefit Amendment Obama voted yes - Indicates that a nonresidential or residential rental property affected by Hurricane Katrina will receive an allowance equal to 50 percent of adjusted basis of the property, the otherwise depreciation deduction then calculated on the reduced adjusted basis. - Increases the state low-income housing credit limit for Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi - Designates property placed in service in an area affected by the hurricanes during 2006, 2007, or 2008 a 33;difficult development area33; for tax purposes - Allows individuals to treat up to 50 percent of 33;qualified Gulf recovery zone clean-up as an expense not chargeable to a capital account33; when the property is used for business or trade - Allows individuals who lived in areas affected by the hurricanes to receive up to $100,000 from another individual's retirement plan without increasing the amount the individual receiving the finacial help is taxed - Grants employers affected by the hurricanes an employee retention credit of up to 40 percent of qualified wages paid - Suspends, temporarily, limitations on charitable contributions that are tax deductible for efforts related to relief from the hurricanes - Suspends the minimal limit on personal casualty losses that are tax deductible for areas affected by the hurricanes - Increases the alternative minimum tax exemption amount for individual taxpayers - Extends superfund taxes until 2015 S Amdt 2371 to S 1932: To amend title XVIII of the Social Security Act to provide the authority for negotiating fair prices for medicare prescription drugs. Obama voted yes. Vote on a motion to waive the Budget Act, in order to adopt an amendment that grants the Secretary of Health and Human Services authority to negotiate contracts with drug manufactures for lower prices on bulk prescription drugs for Medicare. S Con Res 18 S AMDT 210 to S Con Res 18: To repeal the tax subsidy for certain domestic companies which move manufacturing operations and American jobs offshore. Obama voted yes. Vote to adopt an amendment that would repeal the tax subsidy for American businesses that relocate jobs and manufacturing operations overseas. S Amdt 3907 to S Amdt 3911 to S 2248 Obama voted yes Vote to adopt an amendment that strikes Title II from the bill, in effect striking the civil immunity provisions for telecommunications providers and other electronic communications providers that have provided electronic surveillance. S Amdt 3910 to S Amdt 3911 to S 2248 Obama voted yes. Vote to adopt an amendment that states that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is the exclusive means by which surveillance can be conducted on domestic wire, oral, or electronic communications. (no bush, neocon spying permitted) S 1042 S Amdt 1351 to S 1042: To stop corporations from financing terrorism. Obama voted yes Vote to adopt an amendment that makes U.S. businesses and their subsidiaries liable to prosecution for dealing with foreign businesses which have links to terrorism or whose parent country supports terrorism. S Amdt 2022 to S Amdt 2011 to HR 1585: To restore habeas corpus for those detained by the United States. Obama voted yes S 1: A bill to provide greater transparency in the legislative process. Obama voted yes. -Increases the mandatory waiting period before becoming a lobbyist to two years after leaving office for former Senators and senior executive personnel, one year for former members of the House of Representatives, and one year for officers and staff of the Senate [Title I (Sec. 101)]. -Requires that every six months lobbyists disclose all donations made to Federal candidates or officeholders, leadership Political Action Committees (PAC's), or political party committees that were greater than or equal to $200 [Title II (Sec. 203 [a])]. -Requires candidate committees, leadership PAC's, and political party committees to disclose bundled contributions by a lobbyist totaling over $15,000 within a six-month period [Title II (Sec. 204)]. -Prohibits members of the House from participating in events that honor them at the presidential nominating convention for the party in which they belong if the event is directly paid for by a registered lobbyist unless they are a candidate for president or vice president at the convention [Title III (Sec. 305)]. -Prohibits any member of Congress from participating in the Civil Service Retirement System if convicted of bribery, fraud, perjury, corruption, conspiracy or other related offenses [Title IV (Sec. 401 [a])]. -Requires a Senator who intends to object to proceeding to a measure to submit a notice of intent in writing to the Majority or Minority leader and, no less than six session days after the submission of the notice, submit a notice to the Congressional Record that states the Senator's objection and details the reasons [Title V (Sec. 512)]. -Requires that Senators who submit earmark requests on a bill or committee report be identified as the sponsor of their requests on a publicly accessible congressional website at least 48 hours before the item comes to a vote [Tile V (Sec. 521)]. -Requires that Senators, candidates for Senate, or Presidential candidates using non-commercial air travel pay the fair market value of the usual charter fare or rental charge for a comparable plane of comparable size [Title VI (Sec. 601)]. -Prohibits House members and candidates from accepting travel on an aircraft unless it is operated by a commercial carrier, an entity of the Federal government, or the government of any state [Title VI (Sec. 601)]. S Amdt 2476 to S 1042: To establish a special committee of the Senate to investigate the awarding and carrying out of contracts to conduct activities in Afghanistan and Iraq and to fight the war on terrorism. Obama voted yes. Vote to adopt an amendment that creates a special committee to investigate the awarding of contracts in Afghanistan and Iraq taking into consideration: bidding, methods of contracting, subcontracting, oversight procedures, allegations of wasteful practices, accountability and lessons learned in Afghanistan and Iraq. Iraq Troop Reduction Amendment Obama voted yes Vote to adopt an amendment to begin reducing the number of U.S. forces in Iraq within 90 days of the enactment of this bill, with the exception of a limited number of U.S. forces to be engaged in targeted counterterrorism, the training of Iraqi forces, and the protection of U.S. personnel and infrastructure. Time Between Troop Deployments Obama voted yes Vote to adopt an amendment that adds language to HR 1585 establishing mandatory minimum rest periods for members of the regular and reserve components of the armed forces between deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and expressing the sense of the Congress concerning ideal rest periods between these deployments. -Prohibits the deployment of members of the regular armed forces unless the time period between deployments is at least as long as the period of the previous deployment. -Expresses the sense of the Congress that the optimal time period between deployments for members of the regular armed forces should be at least twice as long as the period of the previous deployment. -Prohibits the deployment of members of the Reserve Armed Forces and National Guard if the member has been deployed within the preceding three years. -Expresses the sense of the Congress that members of the Reserve Armed Forces should not be mobilized continuously for more than one year, and that the optimal time period between deployments should be at least five years.
No I did not say it was a good reason. That was not my point. If you care to look back to the context of my remarks, I was saying that I was not convinced that Webb had bought into the Dem Party platform schtick and that this might cause conflicts for him and O if O chose Webb as VP. My example of Webb voting for the hate speech law was to show that his vote may have had more to do with a personal bias issue close to home than it had to do with his believing in it as a Dem platform issue.
It is only in the last five-hundred years that Western and Northern European peoples have become dominant, thanks in no small part to prior advances made by other peoples in other parts of the globe. In the greater scope of human history, Northern and Western European "whites" have been rather unexceptional and even barbaric for the most part. The last five-hundred years is the exception, not the rule, and our dominance in this epoch is in no small part derivative from prior advances made or preserved in former epochs dominated by non-"white" peoples. History both exalts and humbles, in turn. No civilization or people remains dominant forever. The truly exceptional civilizations will understand this, and remain humble even when exalted and (temporarily) dominant. If we become too full of ourselves, our turn to be humbled and dominated by others is likely to come sooner than we think. Blah blah blah...yawn... Wake up and change gears. You are not posting on the daily kos to full-of- themselves artsy fartsy college graduate taxicab drivers who love to use moral equivalence on every issue they face. Whites=progress and I stand by that. Look at the list of Nobel Prize recipients for sciences. Look at any list for prize winners in science and medicine and inventions for that matter. Let wiki be your best friend. Read a book on IQ and the bell curve. Look at the scientific and tech contributions of Africa and Mexico. I rest my case. It's not of racism. It'a a matter of realism. You are being silly for not being able to credit, compliment whites for their contributions - it sticks like a craw in your throat. Your liberal politics have clouded your common sense.
This little statement yours is what the baseline problem is in the US. Too many profoundly STUPID people really believe this. Those that do should be put to death for the liberty and safety of the rest of us.. Exactly!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. By all means. I never intend to tell any fellow interlocutor what to do in any event, James old man. As you know, waiting for people who post with you to adopt your point of view is not something that commonly happens. But just as you like to do, I wanted to make a point. But then again, you knew that anyway. ;-)
NOBODY rules over me!! I was speaking to the fears of the negrophobes/white supremacist types. This is how they see it. Any black in a position of leadership "over them" is an intolerable affront to their entire world view. Hence, the mocking universe's laughter at them, which I also referenced, as Barack Obama makes his ascent to the pinnacle of American political power. It's the prospect of kharmic justice becoming actualized, which is delightful every time it happens. And just as Obama was the agent for the outworking of kharmic justice for the Clintons, so too will he be for the fascist GOPers, the neocons and, yes, the loathsome white supremicists among us. This prospect alone makes him THE CANDIDATE to support. On the great pool table of life, he's akin to a bank shot that sinks four balls simultaneously, racking up a kharmic justice jackpot. This is why I find his candidacy so compelling and irresistable. He's not the messiah, but it is evident (at least to me) that the universe is working its will through him nonetheless. Just ask the Clintons.
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Sorry, I don't vote for what I know to be evil and to me they are both evil. Both traitors and one worlder stooges. I want nothing to do with either of them and wouldn't vote for either of them if someone were holding a gun on me.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. LOL
Thank you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yep. While I do consider myself conservative I certainly don't consider most of the politicians who call themselves that to be honest and forthright.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I don't really care what his reason for voting for unconstitutional bs is. Just the fact that he doesn't know it is unconstitutional tells me all I need to know about him.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Kharma's a bhitch.
I was in the 82nd Airborne Division when I was in the Army the first time. One slang appelation for Division is, "African Airborne," because of the 'AA' in the unit patch, and the large African American demographic of Division. And what I found out when I lived and worked with people from all parts of the spectrum of humanity is that race was just a minor detail in the big picture of getting to know someone. I got over thinking people of any race were any different then any other a long time ago. I know Caucasians and Negroes who are extraordinary to being just mundane, average folks to being real scoundrels. I don't put one race or the other on a pillar, to me it's all the same thing, humanity. I see Barack Obama as a unifier who will help us get past the bullshit of racism and neocon thinking where if you disagree, you are an enemy fit only to be annihilated. You do not, and that is your prerogative. But whether you want it to happen or not Barack Obama is going to get a chance when he wins in November to prove he can deliver.
You are really deluding yourself. The will of the universe has nothing to do with it. Campaign donors have made Obama successful. You think Obama represents ghetto black coming of age? Get serious - Obama's white BANKER grandmother would hear nothing of that nonsense. She made Obama into the man and the politician he is today. It's upper class white banker, not Somalia, that Obama himself credited for his success. As for his popularity in the Dem Party - color triumphs over gender, but of course. Read Obama's book - he worries that he will not be perceived as being black enough so he joins a black pentacostal church. He has played his "skin assets" to the hilt to get ahead in politics when it suited him. Obama is part of the elite. Obama has much more in common with Hillary and Bush and McCain than he'd ever have with you and your ilk in the Dimwit ranks.
And to you, my white (you are white, right?) friend who has never lived in a ghetto, nor will you now, please point to a piece of legislation the Anointed One has put forward that places America First?
Oh I'm quite sure Webb knew that hate speech laws were unconstitutional when he voted yes for them. I'm not making any excuses for him. He did what he did because he felt like it at the time - politicians are corrupted by power. All I'm saying is that I don't think Webb and Obama would make an agreeable copasetic Dem partnership in the WH as Pres and VP. There's too much GOP left in Webb and not enough moderate Dem in Obama. And Webb is too independent minded to be a suitable Dem "follower."
It makes complete sense that Webb would sign on to Hate Speech legislation, given that George Allen's use of the word Macaca got him selected. To erode the 1st as he has done, tells me all I need to know about him.
I don't think the Obama lefties get it. They think it's OK to settle for "partly free." We tried that. We were nice. We were good citizens. Look where that got us. We're not going to be satisfied until we're 100% free again. The elite had their time of "compromise," but what they are now dealing with a hardened, recalcitrant, educated, and fully aware class of patriot. He's seen what happened at Ruby Ridge. He's seen what happened at Waco. He's seen what happened to William Cooper. He's seen what happened to the FLDS. He's seen what happened to US troops in Somalia, Baghdad, and Khowst. He's seen the millions of Mexicans marching in the streets, the treasonous speeches in the halls of the Senate, and the President lying in speech after speech. And we're not even faintly interested in compromise.
It makes complete sense that Webb would endorse ADL inspired Hate Speech legislation. It was George Allen's use of the word Macaca that helped to select him. Anyone who would attack our 1st, will not hesitate to attack the rest.
OKharma
Is that a vegetable?
It's coming from (I believe) fertile knee-jerk lands.
Are you are saying you would rather not vote for someone you dislike even if it means allowing a far worse person to assume the office and continuing the neocon destruction of America? Sorry, I'm not that idealistic. I tend to be more pragmatic. Idealism is what allowed the communitarian neocons (commies) to take control and slowly decimate our nation. I think a good example of where I stand is what the conservatives (true conservatives) were saying in 2004 - you may not like who you vote for but to not vote or note vote for the lesser of two evils will end up hurting Americans far worse. IS IT TIME TO BRING BACK GRIDLOCK? In an editorial page column for Investor’s Business Daily (11/26/03, p. A14), Bruce Bartlett, a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, advocates the defeat of George Bush and the election of a Democrat to the White House in 2004 as a way of restoring fiscal soundness to the U.S. government’s policies. "On Jan. 23, 1996, Bill Clinton told the nation, ‘The era of big government is over.’ If so, it sure didn’t last very long. Today, the era of big government is back with a vengeance, ushered in by a massive new prescription drug entitlement, a pork-laden energy bill of grotesque proportions…." GOP CONTROL OF WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESS HAS MOVED U.S. LEFT "What few people, including myself, ever thought would happen was that this new era of big government would be implemented by Republicans controlling both Congress and the White House. It makes me long for the good old days of gridlock." BILL CLINTON AND GOP CONGRESS LEFT A $200 BILLION BUDGET SURPLUS "In his new book, ‘In an Uncertain World,’ former Treasury Secretary Bob Rubin extols the Clinton administration’s fiscal record. He correctly notes that the federal budget deficit was close to $300 billion when Clinton took office and had a surplus of more than a $200 billion when he left. … "[I]it was the combination of the two – a Democratic White House and a Republican Congress – that was really responsible for the budgetary turnaround. Each side was checked from enacting new spending programs. The result was that the budget was virtually on automatic pilot for most of the Clinton administration. "[A] number of economic conservatives suggested in 2000 that the best electoral outcome for growth and the stock market would be Al Gore as president with the GOP retaining control of Congress. "As financial columnist Daniel Kadlec wrote: ‘The Dow has fared best when one party has controlled the White House and the other has controlled Congress, the optimum formula being a Democratic president and a Republican Congress. That combo has produced Dow gains, excluding dividends, of 10.7% a year.’ … "The only people who really oppose gridlock are political scientists and party activists, who decry it as a barrier to ‘getting things done.’ A new book by Brookings Institution scholar Sarah Binder, ‘Stalemate,’ lays out the case against gridlock on these grounds. "The problem is that getting things done is usually a bad thing. All of our nation’s entitlement programs, for example, were enacted when one party controlled all the elected bodies of the federal government. Social Security came under Franklin Roosevelt and a Democratic Congress in the 1930s, Medicare under Lyndon Johnson and a Democratic Congress in the 1960s, and now a prescription drug entitlement under George Bush and a Republican Congress. Our grandchildren’s grandchildren will be paying higher taxes for this latest elderly vote-buying scheme when everyone who supported it is long dead. "The simplest way of restoring gridlock would be to elect a Democrat as president next year."
Oops....sorry for the duplicate.
*lol*
Inadequacies in respect to what? Are you saying he has a worse record for someone of his background or experience, or that by now he should of remade the U.S. Senate in the time he has been there? You like to draw people down a rhetorical corridor to try to take them out with your handy dandy rhetorical dead fall trap. You do it well, but I am a ferret, and don't follow such paths well. Sorry about that. ;-) I am willing to give this man his chance to lead and unite this nation in 'the fierce urgency of now,' as he calls this time and place in our history he is running for president in. He is the only candidate who is where I am concerning the war in Iraq, and I'll take that leadership over experience any day. Most of the country turned against Iraq a couple of years ago. Democrats are overwhelmingly opposed. They didn’t want someone who had acquiesced or collaborated in its genesis and conduct. This is going to be a big part of what shoots down McCain for a second time in his life when he loses this November, his cheerleader act in supporting this war and because this administration will be a kiss of death to him. One of many he will suffer that will add up to a badly lost election.
Good point about the lesson learned from Allen's fall. Webb is no Thomas Jefferson that's for sure but I think he's probably smarter and less corrupted than the majority of political punks on Capitol Hill with the exception of Dr. Ron Paul, of course. Jt - at this point in time America is on its knees due to the paucity of even a few good men in Congresss. I'd love to have only perfection serving in Congress - like Dr. Paul - but the reality is that America is fortunate to have a 1 or 2 imperfect but not a complete failure politicians, like Webb, as well. Otherwise we're looking at 100% scoundrels in office.
Lets watch him closely, scrapper2. The water in DeeCee changes the hearts and souls of the best of men/women.
Assuming you are correct and he does win--and whether it is him or McCain America and Americans will lose--I hope you are prepared to eat tons of crow. He will no more unite the people of this country than Bush has other than maybe to unite against him. But if either of the establishment's selected candidates, Obama or McCain "win" America is on her last trip around the bowl. It won't make a lot of difference which one of those traitors win since they are both just front men for the people who actually run things. Press Let Rip At Obama Spokesman Over Exclusion From Secret Meeting Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The question to you, a man who is an advocate for Obama, is this; what legislation has he put forward that places America first? (third attempt)
What makes McCain bite the dust in Novemeber is his pitiful useless self and the fact that he cannot attract campaign donations because everyone in the know realizes McCain has L-O-S-E-R written all over himself. The pubbies are throwing this election. They know Junior's actions have made winning the WH an impossibility so short of running no one, they offer up McCain to the electorate because his ego is so big and his brain is so small that he does not realize what the pubbie party machinery has decided. Four years of Hillary or Obama and the pubbies know they are back in the WH for the next 8-16 years.
Reminds me of an old saying... If you hang around an open septic tank long enough, you're eventually going to start smelling like shit.
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
I am not an advocate for Obama. I am an advocate for America. Here is the posting that lists some of the things Obama has supported, voted for.
We have the best Congress money can buy. Founding Fathers rejected term limits based on the assumption that we would have CITIZEN LEGISLATORS that would serve the country for a "season" and then return home to a normal life. They erred terribly in judging that generations to come would act in the interest of country not in self. Consequently we have lifetime professional politicians that will do anything to maintime a dying grasp on power. Even to 100 years of age. What a sad commentary for this country. The Fathers would be dismayed, disgusted and ashamed.
Exactly right Critter. The place is a swamp after all.
And what on that list places America first, and why?
hehehehe...wise saying...needs repeating...
Yes. I won't vote for anyone or promote anyone who takes an oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution" and then votes for things which rip it into shreds. Homey don't play dat.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Founding Fathers rejected term limits based on the assumption that we would have CITIZEN LEGISLATORS that would serve the country for a "season" and then return home to a normal life. They erred terribly in judging that generations to come would act in the interest of country not in self. Consequently we have lifetime professional politicians that will do anything to maintime a dying grasp on power. Even to 100 years of age. What a sad commentary for this country. The Fathers would be dismayed, disgusted and ashamed. Truer words cannot be spoken. You nailed it. I would only add that in addition to self-serving corrupt dead enders in office, have you noticed that federal politicians over the past 20 years are also stupider than politicians of the past? Is this because they are products of our failing public school system? I mean, consider the intellectual deficits of Junior, and Al Gork, and Kerry, and Boxer, and Pelosi and Byrd, and the rest. My gosh. Scary.
Scum rises to the top on swill.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestWhitey is an archaic slang term you use to be subtle about your racist attitudes. Do us a favor, use your own colloquialisms, or use punctuation ('') to denote where you borrow slang from others. Especially when you do it to paint the term as one endemic to use by Negroes today in the United States in order to put all of them down.
Lord Acton
#111. To: Jethro Tull (#67)
#112. To: James Deffenbach (#81)
And his wife being Asian would be a good reason to vote for the destruction of the first amendment?
#113. To: Arator (#44)
(Edited)
Civilization is not the product of any single race or skin- pigmentation. When our "white" ancestors were backwoods barbarians chasing game in northern European forests, the foundation of the civilization that those primitives would later come to inherit was being laid by darker-skinned folk in Africa and the Near East. When our "white" ancestors were still hacking each other to pieces and wallowing in ignorance during the Dark Ages, Arab civilization was preserving the wisdom of the ancients in the East and advancing the science of mathematics for later transmission to us, which made the Italian Rennaisance possible. Where would our civilization be without the advances made by the Chinese, which we received via Marco Polo when he returned from his great trek to the Far East?
#114. To: Lady X (#95)
NOBODY rules over me!!
Lord Acton
#115. To: James Deffenbach (#110)
"I will use the terms I want to use if it is all the same to you."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#116. To: Lady X (#95)
(Edited)
shall rule over them
#117. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#99)
The issue is again, the lesser of two evils.
Lord Acton
#118. To: Arator (#116)
It's the prospect of kharmic justice becoming actualized
#119. To: christine (#101)
well said
Lord Acton
#120. To: buckeye (#107)
Just as you and I are admitted "conservatives." But we're not voting for McCain, Romney, Huckabee, or Hunter.
Lord Acton
#121. To: scrapper2 (#112)
My example of Webb voting for the hate speech law was to show that his vote may have had more to do with a personal bias issue close to home than it had to do with his believing in it as a Dem platform issue.
Lord Acton
#122. To: buckeye (#118)
#123. To: James Deffenbach (#106)
"Yeah, I am afraid he is gullible and naive."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#124. To: Arator (#116)
He's not the messiah, but it is evident (at least to me) that the universe is working its will through him nonetheless. Just ask the Clintons.
#125. To: Arator (#116)
#126. To: James Deffenbach (#121)
I don't really care what his reason for voting for unconstitutional bs is. Just the fact that he doesn't know it is unconstitutional tells me all I need to know about him.
#127. To: James Deffenbach, Scrapper2, all (#121)
#128. To: scrapper2, christine, Jethro Tull (#124)
Obama is part of the elite.
#129. To: All (#127)
#130. To: buckeye (#118)
#131. To: nobody (#130)
#132. To: buckeye (#131)
#133. To: James Deffenbach (#117)
#134. To: All (#129)
#135. To: nobody (#132)
#136. To: Jethro Tull (#92)
"So to question his legislative inadequacies is bull shit?"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#137. To: Jethro Tull (#127)
It makes complete sense that Webb would sign on to Hate Speech legislation, given that George Allen's use of the word Macaca got him selected. To erode the 1st as he has done, tells me all I need to know about him.
#138. To: scrapper2 (#137)
#139. To: Ferret Mike (#123)
But whether you want it to happen or not Barack Obama is going to get a chance when he wins in November to prove he can deliver.
Lord Acton
#140. To: Ferret Mike (#136)
#141. To: Ferret Mike (#136)
This is going to be a big part of what shoots down McCain for a second time in his life when he loses this November, his cheerleader act in supporting this war and because this administration will be a kiss of death to him. One of many he will suffer that will add up to a badly lost election.
#142. To: Jethro Tull (#138)
The water in DeeCee changes the hearts and souls of the best of men/women.
#143. To: Jethro Tull (#140)
#144. To: scrapper2 (#137)
Otherwise we're looking at 100% scoundrels in office.
#145. To: Critter (#142)
#146. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#143)
#147. To: Critter (#142)
Reminds me of an old saying... If you hang around an open septic tank long enough, you're eventually going to start smelling like shit.
#148. To: Jethro Tull (#127)
It makes complete sense that Webb would sign on to Hate Speech legislation, given that George Allen's use of the word Macaca got him selected. To erode the 1st as he has done, tells me all I need to know about him.
Lord Acton
#149. To: Cynicom (#144)
We have the best Congress money can buy.
#150. To: scrapper2 (#149)
federal politicians over the past 20 years are also stupider than politicians of the past?
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