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Title: Jim Webb, Iron Intellectual
Source: The Trail
URL Source: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the- ... im_webb_iron_intellectual.html
Published: Jun 6, 2008
Author: Alec MacGillis
Post Date: 2008-06-06 19:33:05 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 2776
Comments: 219

Barack Obama

Jim Webb, Iron Intellectual

By Alec MacGillis
Lost in the hubbub over Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton's secret rendezvous at Sen. Dianne Feinstein's house last night were some of the intriguing ramifications of Obama's previous appointment, a rally at the Nissan Pavilion in the Northern Virginia exurbs that was also attended by Sen. Jim Webb and Gov. Tim Kaine.

Both men, of course, have been mentioned as possible running mates for Obama -- and, in the eyes of the veep-obsessed press, that made the event into an audition of sorts.


This was particularly true for Webb, who, unlike Kaine, was making his first appearance in the role of an Obama booster, having stayed neutral throughout the primaries. One thing quickly became clear, as the red-haired senator introduced the presumptive nominee: those pushing for Webb because they think he will bring muscular, regular-guy credentials -- Marine hero in Vietnam, former Navy secretary, Scots-Irish roots -- may need to think again.

There's no doubt that Webb is tough. He's stood up to President Bush at a White House reception and has a concealed-carry gun license. But he also sees himself as a serious, free-thinking intellectual. He has a bevy of fairly well-regarded books under his belt and prides himself on writing his own stump material.

If yesterday's joint appearance was any indication, far from canceling out Obama's Ivy League pedigree, an Obama-Webb ticket could be one of the most literary pairings ever to take the field.

Whereas Kaine served up a fairly conventional Democratic rallying cry, Webb embarked on a meditation on American history and self-conception over the past forty years. He noted that it was the 40th anniversary not only of Bobby Kennedy's assassination but also of his own swearing into the Marine Corps. He took the audience back to that "tumultuous year" -- the assassinations, the Tet offensive, the riots in which "the African American sections in many American cities had erupted with frequent violence" and the Democratic convention in Chicago.

Webb said he was giving the history tour "because we all know that the United States of 2008 is also a troubled and divided place in a quiet but equally disturbing way."

"The tumult of those earlier years," he went on, "convinced me and others that we needed to learn our love our country more deeply for all its ugly flaws, because it required us to sit back and reconsider the beliefs and values that had once been handed to us as our national legacy. We went through an intellectual challenge in justifying America's uniqueness on fresh grounds and this caused us to believe all the more strongly that ... that this was the moral beacon of the world, that for all or problems we had the will to solve them, the patience to undergo the painful debates that might identify solutions ... and the constitutional system that will provide remedies and thus hold us together as a people."

After a bit more in this vein, Webb got around to introducing Obama -- whom he praised, before all else, not for his toughness or determination, the qualities one might expect the ex-Marine to highlight, but for his brains.

"He is man of great intellect," said Webb. He then drove home the praise by punctuating the final sentence of his introduction with a loud fist pound on the podium.

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#40. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

I like Jim Webb alot. And I empathize with his anguished decision to run as a Dem - he said he was a Republican until the neocons commandeered the GOP and the party left him ( similar to the experience of Zell Miller with the Dems).

Though the GOP left Webb, he has not left the party totally methinks. Frankly I don't see him as a Dem Party VP. I think he would add a needed dimension to the Dems, but I don't see him towing the Dem line. I think Obama senses that resistence. Webb may have voted for the Shephard hate speech law because it represented ssomething personal to him - his current wife is Asian - Vietnamese I believe.

For the most part, Webb is a moderate conservative. I don't see him being a happy camper as a VP to socialist Obama. He might try to make himself fit, but in the long run there'd be policy clashes with Obama and Webb.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-06-07   2:26:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: scrapper2 (#40)

Webb may have voted for the Shephard hate speech law because it represented ssomething personal to him - his current wife is Asian - Vietnamese I believe.

And his wife being Asian would be a good reason to vote for the destruction of the first amendment? Are there not already enough laws on the books to punish actual harm done to people without going so far as to penalize their thoughts? Or to try to get into their heads to know why they murdered someone? Are the people not just as dead either way and is the punishment already prescribed for willful and wanton murder not good enough? "Hate crimes laws" are bull$#it and need to be called that and those who vote in favor of such stupidity need to be run out of Washington, not elevated to a higher position.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   9:37:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: James Deffenbach (#81)

And his wife being Asian would be a good reason to vote for the destruction of the first amendment?

No I did not say it was a good reason. That was not my point.

If you care to look back to the context of my remarks, I was saying that I was not convinced that Webb had bought into the Dem Party platform schtick and that this might cause conflicts for him and O if O chose Webb as VP.

My example of Webb voting for the hate speech law was to show that his vote may have had more to do with a personal bias issue close to home than it had to do with his believing in it as a Dem platform issue.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-06-07   12:08:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: scrapper2 (#112)

My example of Webb voting for the hate speech law was to show that his vote may have had more to do with a personal bias issue close to home than it had to do with his believing in it as a Dem platform issue.

I don't really care what his reason for voting for unconstitutional bs is. Just the fact that he doesn't know it is unconstitutional tells me all I need to know about him.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   12:33:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: James Deffenbach, Scrapper2, all (#121)

It makes complete sense that Webb would sign on to Hate Speech legislation, given that George Allen's use of the word Macaca got him selected. To erode the 1st as he has done, tells me all I need to know about him.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   12:47:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Jethro Tull (#127)

It makes complete sense that Webb would sign on to Hate Speech legislation, given that George Allen's use of the word Macaca got him selected. To erode the 1st as he has done, tells me all I need to know about him.

Good point about the lesson learned from Allen's fall.

Webb is no Thomas Jefferson that's for sure but I think he's probably smarter and less corrupted than the majority of political punks on Capitol Hill with the exception of Dr. Ron Paul, of course.

Jt - at this point in time America is on its knees due to the paucity of even a few good men in Congresss. I'd love to have only perfection serving in Congress - like Dr. Paul - but the reality is that America is fortunate to have a 1 or 2 imperfect but not a complete failure politicians, like Webb, as well.

Otherwise we're looking at 100% scoundrels in office.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-06-07   12:58:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: scrapper2 (#137)

Otherwise we're looking at 100% scoundrels in office.

We have the best Congress money can buy.

Founding Fathers rejected term limits based on the assumption that we would have CITIZEN LEGISLATORS that would serve the country for a "season" and then return home to a normal life.

They erred terribly in judging that generations to come would act in the interest of country not in self.

Consequently we have lifetime professional politicians that will do anything to maintime a dying grasp on power. Even to 100 years of age.

What a sad commentary for this country. The Fathers would be dismayed, disgusted and ashamed.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-07   13:05:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Cynicom (#144)

We have the best Congress money can buy.

Founding Fathers rejected term limits based on the assumption that we would have CITIZEN LEGISLATORS that would serve the country for a "season" and then return home to a normal life.

They erred terribly in judging that generations to come would act in the interest of country not in self.

Consequently we have lifetime professional politicians that will do anything to maintime a dying grasp on power. Even to 100 years of age.

What a sad commentary for this country. The Fathers would be dismayed, disgusted and ashamed.

Truer words cannot be spoken. You nailed it.

I would only add that in addition to self-serving corrupt dead enders in office, have you noticed that federal politicians over the past 20 years are also stupider than politicians of the past? Is this because they are products of our failing public school system? I mean, consider the intellectual deficits of Junior, and Al Gork, and Kerry, and Boxer, and Pelosi and Byrd, and the rest. My gosh. Scary.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-06-07   13:18:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: scrapper2 (#149)

federal politicians over the past 20 years are also stupider than politicians of the past?

Scum rises to the top on swill.

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