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Title: Jim Webb, Iron Intellectual
Source: The Trail
URL Source: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the- ... im_webb_iron_intellectual.html
Published: Jun 6, 2008
Author: Alec MacGillis
Post Date: 2008-06-06 19:33:05 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 2583
Comments: 219

Barack Obama

Jim Webb, Iron Intellectual

By Alec MacGillis
Lost in the hubbub over Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton's secret rendezvous at Sen. Dianne Feinstein's house last night were some of the intriguing ramifications of Obama's previous appointment, a rally at the Nissan Pavilion in the Northern Virginia exurbs that was also attended by Sen. Jim Webb and Gov. Tim Kaine.

Both men, of course, have been mentioned as possible running mates for Obama -- and, in the eyes of the veep-obsessed press, that made the event into an audition of sorts.


This was particularly true for Webb, who, unlike Kaine, was making his first appearance in the role of an Obama booster, having stayed neutral throughout the primaries. One thing quickly became clear, as the red-haired senator introduced the presumptive nominee: those pushing for Webb because they think he will bring muscular, regular-guy credentials -- Marine hero in Vietnam, former Navy secretary, Scots-Irish roots -- may need to think again.

There's no doubt that Webb is tough. He's stood up to President Bush at a White House reception and has a concealed-carry gun license. But he also sees himself as a serious, free-thinking intellectual. He has a bevy of fairly well-regarded books under his belt and prides himself on writing his own stump material.

If yesterday's joint appearance was any indication, far from canceling out Obama's Ivy League pedigree, an Obama-Webb ticket could be one of the most literary pairings ever to take the field.

Whereas Kaine served up a fairly conventional Democratic rallying cry, Webb embarked on a meditation on American history and self-conception over the past forty years. He noted that it was the 40th anniversary not only of Bobby Kennedy's assassination but also of his own swearing into the Marine Corps. He took the audience back to that "tumultuous year" -- the assassinations, the Tet offensive, the riots in which "the African American sections in many American cities had erupted with frequent violence" and the Democratic convention in Chicago.

Webb said he was giving the history tour "because we all know that the United States of 2008 is also a troubled and divided place in a quiet but equally disturbing way."

"The tumult of those earlier years," he went on, "convinced me and others that we needed to learn our love our country more deeply for all its ugly flaws, because it required us to sit back and reconsider the beliefs and values that had once been handed to us as our national legacy. We went through an intellectual challenge in justifying America's uniqueness on fresh grounds and this caused us to believe all the more strongly that ... that this was the moral beacon of the world, that for all or problems we had the will to solve them, the patience to undergo the painful debates that might identify solutions ... and the constitutional system that will provide remedies and thus hold us together as a people."

After a bit more in this vein, Webb got around to introducing Obama -- whom he praised, before all else, not for his toughness or determination, the qualities one might expect the ex-Marine to highlight, but for his brains.

"He is man of great intellect," said Webb. He then drove home the praise by punctuating the final sentence of his introduction with a loud fist pound on the podium.

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#1. To: All (#0)

I can see a big problem with an Obama/Webb ticket. They would find it difficult to get the stupids vote. The stupids are likely to vote for McCain or to stay home and watch Cialis infomercials.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-06-06   19:35:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Arator, Hate Speech lovers (#1)

Senator Webb, another defender of our 1st Amendment. Quite a guy!

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Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-06   20:03:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

This is it? Is this all you got?

It looks like an embarrassment of... what's the opposite of 'riches' in this context? Penury? You mean you don't have nothing on his supermarket cashier's boyfriend? Maybe he's burning Arab-supplied gasoline in his car? Any moonshinig convictions on his grandpa's record?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-06-06   20:17:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#3)

This is it? Is this all you got?

Signing on to legislation that criminalizes speech might be fine for the feckless Obamaites like you, and your freakish pals, but real Americans toss scum like Webb into the socialist waste basket where he belongs.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-06   20:27:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

Say it again: "there's not one iota of difference between Obama/Webb and Hilly/Steinheim, McCain/Condi or W/Cheney. They are all the same and it makes no difference who gets the job.

Yes? Say it again, please. It's so entertaining. It's dumb, of course but it's funny too.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-06-06   20:53:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Jethro Tull (#10) (Edited)

Say it again: "there's not one iota of difference between Obama/Webb and Hilly/Steinheim, McCain/Condi or W/Cheney. They are all the same and it makes no difference who gets the job.

Yes? Say it again, please. It's so entertaining. It's dumb, of course but it's funny too.

LOL.

I'm with you, avrwc. JT wasn't always so dumb. Maybe he just plays dumb to provoke. I think deep down he knows better.

He's attracted a posse that's stump stupid, though. Too bad their candidate (Hillary I, Queen of Appalachia and Contessa of San Juan) didn't come through for them. And, now, a black man shall rule over them, one possessing exceptional intellect and political skills, and the prospect positively terrifies them. In this way, the stars have aligned so that the very universe mocks and laughs at their puerile and retrograde pigmentation-based pretensions.

Arator  posted on  2008-06-06   22:39:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Arator (#19) (Edited)

And, now, a black man shall rule over them, one possessing exceptional intellect and political skills, and the prospect positively terrifies them. In this way, the stars have aligned so that very universe mocks and laughs at their puerile and retrograde pigmentation-based pretensions.

that's a crock. how many times have we posted it's not about his color, it's about his radical leftist, socialist politics and the fact that he, like hillary and mccain is OWNED.

how many times have we posted and you've not comprehended that if this were a Shelby Steele, Larry Elder, Reverend Jesse Petersen, Walter Williams (aside from the fact that he has subbed for limbaugh), Ward Connerly, or any other conservative or libertarian black that isn't establishment that they would have our support?

further, if obama had Ron Paul's politics or if Ron Paul were black, either one would have our support.

christine  posted on  2008-06-07   0:03:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: christine (#31) (Edited)

further, if obama had Ron Paul's politics or if Ron Paul were black, either one would have our support.

I know I posted with a rather broad brush, but it was directed at only a select few posters here, not all anti-Obama folk. I appreciate your skepticism and reluctance to support any major party candidate. But it has also been apparent than many here actually hoped Hillary would beat Obama (or still hope that he will lose to McCain in the general). I can't think of any rational reason why anyone would favor Hillary or McCain to Obama. That leaves only irrational ones (like racism).

Arator  posted on  2008-06-07   1:33:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Arator (#33) (Edited)

I can't think of any rational reason why anyone would favor Hillary or McCain to Obama.

That's because you are not rational. Obama is a racist, a habitual liar, and a elitist. He would destroy health care in this nation, attack Pakistan, which has done nothing to us, and destroy race relations in this nation with his anti-White bigotry, which he has made known through his book, his choice of wife, and the church he has been going to for 20 years. On top of all that Obama is a mental midget which he shows on a daily basis. The guy makes Bush look smart and that is no small accomplishment. There is no rational reason to choose him over either McCain or Hillary. None whatsoever.

RickyJ  posted on  2008-06-07   2:28:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: RickyJ (#41)

Ricky Retardo can't seem to get it through his thick skull plate that one of them black folks is much smarter the he is.

Obama graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 Ricky. He also served as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review and was elected to the Senate in a landslide with 70 percent of the vote after effective and successful service to his community his entire life after receiving his impeccable academic credentials.

You are a fuckwit who repeats garbage in the face of facts, hoping that if you throw them long enough your lies will stick to something.

What aa absolute idiot you are, one so stupid you are more amusing to watch then irritating, as it is you you hurt here, not Barack Obama.

It is your own words and posts that erode your credibility, bubba. Sure sucks to be you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-06-07   8:37:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Ferret Mike (#49)

What does the man's formal education have to do with the socialism he espouses? FDR came to us after completing a Harvard and a Columbia Law School indoctrination. Wilson, a professor at Princeton, tried to stick the League of Nations down our gullet. Don't think for a minute the elitists among us have our best interest in mind.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   8:50:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Jethro Tull (#53)

"What does the man's formal education have to do with the socialism he espouses?"

You are a responsible poster with whom discourse and debate moves along a logical line and who allows it to evolve. Ricky Retardo is a fuckwit who repeats the same crap over and over trying desperately to make it true by trying to wear down those debunking his verbal patter.

I cite the stark, black and white, and incontrovertible evidence like extremely high accomplishment academically because it is begged by Ricky's fuckwit style.

If I bore you with repetitions the obvious, my apologies. But as long as he posts lies, I will debunk them.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-06-07   8:56:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Ferret Mike (#58)

Thank you Mike, and I like you too. But back to the question at hand, what legislation has Obama advanced that places America First?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   9:11:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Jethro Tull (#67)

"...what legislation has Obama advanced that places America First?"

We need someone who can deal with ground-level realities screaming to be fixed: endemic poverty, police brutality, cruelly unequal schools and foreign quagmires that drain the nation's economy and cripple its morale.

Obama as POTUS will inspire unity and help get things back on track and moving in this country. The first thing to do - in a foundational sense - to put America first is to build up our sense of how we truly are in all this together. Barack Obama can do that, people sense this, which is why he is where he is right now.

Bush and Cheney got ahead by exporting and exacerbating differences between people, and this was wrong, and people know this and want profoundly a reversal of this sort of politics as usual.

I heard the right things from the man when he was here; that it is about us, the people of the United States, not him or any personality cult of elitist group. I see a man who can inspire and lead.

He is about Americans coming first, which is precisely why I want him elected this November.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-06-07   9:38:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Ferret Mike (#82)

Mike, I've read your #82 in response to my simple question, "what legislation has Obama put forward that places America First." You didn't answer the question, and we both know why.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   9:43:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Jethro Tull (#86)

"Mike, I've read your #82 in response to my simple question, "what legislation has Obama put forward that places America First." You didn't answer the question, and we both know why."

I know why too, it's a bull shit question. Barack Obama has has an excellent career putting people first by working to serve the public rather then to use his education to build wealth and to go places in the business world.

He is putting America first by running, just as he put America first by opposing the illegal immoral war Bush started in Iraq. If you want specific legislative accomplishments or other career data, go Google it, or look in the wiki. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama)

He has doing what is best for America foremost on his mind and will be a unifying force that moves us ahead. That is why I support him for President this year.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-06-07   9:53:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Ferret Mike (#90)

I know why too, it's a bull shit question.

So to question his legislative inadequacies is bull shit?

OK.....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   9:57:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Jethro Tull (#92)

"So to question his legislative inadequacies is bull shit?"

Inadequacies in respect to what? Are you saying he has a worse record for someone of his background or experience, or that by now he should of remade the U.S. Senate in the time he has been there?

You like to draw people down a rhetorical corridor to try to take them out with your handy dandy rhetorical dead fall trap.

You do it well, but I am a ferret, and don't follow such paths well. Sorry about that. ;-)

I am willing to give this man his chance to lead and unite this nation in 'the fierce urgency of now,' as he calls this time and place in our history he is running for president in.

He is the only candidate who is where I am concerning the war in Iraq, and I'll take that leadership over experience any day. Most of the country turned against Iraq a couple of years ago. Democrats are overwhelmingly opposed. They didn’t want someone who had acquiesced or collaborated in its genesis and conduct.

This is going to be a big part of what shoots down McCain for a second time in his life when he loses this November, his cheerleader act in supporting this war and because this administration will be a kiss of death to him. One of many he will suffer that will add up to a badly lost election.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-06-07   12:58:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Ferret Mike (#136)

The question to you, a man who is an advocate for Obama, is this; what legislation has he put forward that places America first?

(third attempt)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   13:03:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Jethro Tull (#140)

I am not an advocate for Obama. I am an advocate for America. Here is the posting that lists some of the things Obama has supported, voted for.

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...rtNum=81811&Disp=111#C111

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-06-07   13:05:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#143)

And what on that list places America first, and why?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   13:08:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Jethro Tull (#146)

I won't waste my time. If you can't or won't accept that some of that legislation puts America/Americans first, then you allow your "label" preferences (conservative vs. liberal) to override that ability to objectively view things.

That type of thinking is what allowed the neocons to take control of our country and virtually destroy it. I am not a conservative... I am not a liberal... I am a Christian American and that removes the Hegelian affect with respect to my decisions. That is what American's need to understand if our country is to be saved.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-06-07   13:25:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#152. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#151)

I am a Christian American and that removes the Hegelian affect with respect to my decisions.

I don't know if anyone is completely immune to that.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-07 13:27:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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