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Title: Jim Webb, Iron Intellectual
Source: The Trail
URL Source: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the- ... im_webb_iron_intellectual.html
Published: Jun 6, 2008
Author: Alec MacGillis
Post Date: 2008-06-06 19:33:05 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 2702
Comments: 219

Barack Obama

Jim Webb, Iron Intellectual

By Alec MacGillis
Lost in the hubbub over Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton's secret rendezvous at Sen. Dianne Feinstein's house last night were some of the intriguing ramifications of Obama's previous appointment, a rally at the Nissan Pavilion in the Northern Virginia exurbs that was also attended by Sen. Jim Webb and Gov. Tim Kaine.

Both men, of course, have been mentioned as possible running mates for Obama -- and, in the eyes of the veep-obsessed press, that made the event into an audition of sorts.


This was particularly true for Webb, who, unlike Kaine, was making his first appearance in the role of an Obama booster, having stayed neutral throughout the primaries. One thing quickly became clear, as the red-haired senator introduced the presumptive nominee: those pushing for Webb because they think he will bring muscular, regular-guy credentials -- Marine hero in Vietnam, former Navy secretary, Scots-Irish roots -- may need to think again.

There's no doubt that Webb is tough. He's stood up to President Bush at a White House reception and has a concealed-carry gun license. But he also sees himself as a serious, free-thinking intellectual. He has a bevy of fairly well-regarded books under his belt and prides himself on writing his own stump material.

If yesterday's joint appearance was any indication, far from canceling out Obama's Ivy League pedigree, an Obama-Webb ticket could be one of the most literary pairings ever to take the field.

Whereas Kaine served up a fairly conventional Democratic rallying cry, Webb embarked on a meditation on American history and self-conception over the past forty years. He noted that it was the 40th anniversary not only of Bobby Kennedy's assassination but also of his own swearing into the Marine Corps. He took the audience back to that "tumultuous year" -- the assassinations, the Tet offensive, the riots in which "the African American sections in many American cities had erupted with frequent violence" and the Democratic convention in Chicago.

Webb said he was giving the history tour "because we all know that the United States of 2008 is also a troubled and divided place in a quiet but equally disturbing way."

"The tumult of those earlier years," he went on, "convinced me and others that we needed to learn our love our country more deeply for all its ugly flaws, because it required us to sit back and reconsider the beliefs and values that had once been handed to us as our national legacy. We went through an intellectual challenge in justifying America's uniqueness on fresh grounds and this caused us to believe all the more strongly that ... that this was the moral beacon of the world, that for all or problems we had the will to solve them, the patience to undergo the painful debates that might identify solutions ... and the constitutional system that will provide remedies and thus hold us together as a people."

After a bit more in this vein, Webb got around to introducing Obama -- whom he praised, before all else, not for his toughness or determination, the qualities one might expect the ex-Marine to highlight, but for his brains.

"He is man of great intellect," said Webb. He then drove home the praise by punctuating the final sentence of his introduction with a loud fist pound on the podium.

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#1. To: All (#0)

I can see a big problem with an Obama/Webb ticket. They would find it difficult to get the stupids vote. The stupids are likely to vote for McCain or to stay home and watch Cialis infomercials.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-06-06   19:35:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Arator, Hate Speech lovers (#1)

Senator Webb, another defender of our 1st Amendment. Quite a guy!

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Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-06   20:03:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

This is it? Is this all you got?

It looks like an embarrassment of... what's the opposite of 'riches' in this context? Penury? You mean you don't have nothing on his supermarket cashier's boyfriend? Maybe he's burning Arab-supplied gasoline in his car? Any moonshinig convictions on his grandpa's record?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-06-06   20:17:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#3)

This is it? Is this all you got?

Signing on to legislation that criminalizes speech might be fine for the feckless Obamaites like you, and your freakish pals, but real Americans toss scum like Webb into the socialist waste basket where he belongs.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-06   20:27:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

Say it again: "there's not one iota of difference between Obama/Webb and Hilly/Steinheim, McCain/Condi or W/Cheney. They are all the same and it makes no difference who gets the job.

Yes? Say it again, please. It's so entertaining. It's dumb, of course but it's funny too.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-06-06   20:53:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Jethro Tull (#10) (Edited)

Say it again: "there's not one iota of difference between Obama/Webb and Hilly/Steinheim, McCain/Condi or W/Cheney. They are all the same and it makes no difference who gets the job.

Yes? Say it again, please. It's so entertaining. It's dumb, of course but it's funny too.

LOL.

I'm with you, avrwc. JT wasn't always so dumb. Maybe he just plays dumb to provoke. I think deep down he knows better.

He's attracted a posse that's stump stupid, though. Too bad their candidate (Hillary I, Queen of Appalachia and Contessa of San Juan) didn't come through for them. And, now, a black man shall rule over them, one possessing exceptional intellect and political skills, and the prospect positively terrifies them. In this way, the stars have aligned so that the very universe mocks and laughs at their puerile and retrograde pigmentation-based pretensions.

Arator  posted on  2008-06-06   22:39:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Arator (#19)

shall rule over them

NOBODY rules over me!!

This little statement yours is what the baseline problem is in the US.

Too many profoundly STUPID people really believe this.

Those that do should be put to death for the liberty and safety of the rest of us..

Lady X  posted on  2008-06-07   10:09:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Lady X (#95) (Edited)

shall rule over them

NOBODY rules over me!!

I was speaking to the fears of the negrophobes/white supremacist types. This is how they see it. Any black in a position of leadership "over them" is an intolerable affront to their entire world view. Hence, the mocking universe's laughter at them, which I also referenced, as Barack Obama makes his ascent to the pinnacle of American political power.

It's the prospect of kharmic justice becoming actualized, which is delightful every time it happens. And just as Obama was the agent for the outworking of kharmic justice for the Clintons, so too will he be for the fascist GOPers, the neocons and, yes, the loathsome white supremicists among us. This prospect alone makes him THE CANDIDATE to support. On the great pool table of life, he's akin to a bank shot that sinks four balls simultaneously, racking up a kharmic justice jackpot. This is why I find his candidacy so compelling and irresistable. He's not the messiah, but it is evident (at least to me) that the universe is working its will through him nonetheless. Just ask the Clintons.

Arator  posted on  2008-06-07   12:25:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Arator (#116)

And to you, my white (you are white, right?) friend who has never lived in a ghetto, nor will you now, please point to a piece of legislation the Anointed One has put forward that places America First?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   12:43:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Jethro Tull (#125) (Edited)

And to you, my white (you are white, right?) friend who has never lived in a ghetto, nor will you now

I'm Scots-Irish. My people weren't entirely welcomed by aristocratic plantation masters in the low country (or Yankee traders on the coasts), so we made our way to the vast mountain ghetto they consigned us to on the frontier. There many of us yet remain. ;^)

As such, we have much in common with our black brethren. We understand social marginalization and the poverty that can result from it. We have experienced first hand together the systematic exploitation and plunder of the poor by the rich and well-connected in this country. We have both been used as political pawns and burned in turn by the elite pirates who own the Republican Party (and have always owned the Republican Party). And we share a longing for a righting of the balance, for real freedom and for justice.

An Obama-Webb ticket will mark, for the first time, a coming together in common cause of these two great American cultural powerhouses, oft rivals at the bottom of the heap, now joined into one dynamic political force with awesome potentialities for transforming this nation into something more closely akin to its promise.

, please point to a piece of legislation the Anointed One has put forward that places America First?

Judge Him by His Laws

By Charles Peters Friday, January 4, 2008; A21

People who complain that Barack Obama lacks experience must be unaware of his legislative achievements. One reason these accomplishments are unfamiliar is that the media have not devoted enough attention to Obama's bills and the effort required to pass them, ignoring impressive, hard evidence of his character and ability.

Since most of Obama's legislation was enacted in Illinois, most of the evidence is found there -- and it has been largely ignored by the media in a kind of Washington snobbery that assumes state legislatures are not to be taken seriously. (Another factor is reporters' fascination with the horse race at the expense of substance that they assume is boring, a fascination that despite being ridiculed for years continues to dominate political journalism.)

I am a rarity among Washington journalists in that I have served in a state legislature. I know from my time in the West Virginia legislature that the challenges faced by reform-minded state representatives are no less, if indeed not more, formidable than those encountered in Congress. For me, at least, trying to deal with those challenges involved as much drama as any election. And the "heart and soul" bill, the one for which a legislator gives everything he or she has to get passed, has long told me more than anything else about a person's character and ability.

Consider a bill into which Obama clearly put his heart and soul. The problem he wanted to address was that too many confessions, rather than being voluntary, were coerced -- by beating the daylights out of the accused.

Obama proposed requiring that interrogations and confessions be videotaped.

This seemed likely to stop the beatings, but the bill itself aroused immediate opposition. There were Republicans who were automatically tough on crime and Democrats who feared being thought soft on crime. There were death penalty abolitionists, some of whom worried that Obama's bill, by preventing the execution of innocents, would deprive them of their best argument. Vigorous opposition came from the police, too many of whom had become accustomed to using muscle to "solve" crimes. And the incoming governor, Rod Blagojevich, announced that he was against it.

Obama had his work cut out for him.

He responded with an all-out campaign of cajolery. It had not been easy for a Harvard man to become a regular guy to his colleagues. Obama had managed to do so by playing basketball and poker with them and, most of all, by listening to their concerns. Even Republicans came to respect him. One Republican state senator, Kirk Dillard, has said that "Barack had a way both intellectually and in demeanor that defused skeptics."

The police proved to be Obama's toughest opponent. Legislators tend to quail when cops say things like, "This means we won't be able to protect your children." The police tried to limit the videotaping to confessions, but Obama, knowing that the beatings were most likely to occur during questioning, fought - - successfully -- to keep interrogations included in the required videotaping.

By showing officers that he shared many of their concerns, even going so far as to help pass other legislation they wanted, he was able to quiet the fears of many.

Obama proved persuasive enough that the bill passed both houses of the legislature, the Senate by an incredible 35 to 0. Then he talked Blagojevich into signing the bill, making Illinois the first state to require such videotaping.

Obama didn't stop there. He played a major role in passing many other bills, including the state's first earned-income tax credit to help the working poor and the first ethics and campaign finance law in 25 years (a law a Post story said made Illinois "one of the best in the nation on campaign finance disclosure"). Obama's commitment to ethics continued in the U.S. Senate, where he co-authored the new lobbying reform law that, among its hard-to-sell provisions, requires lawmakers to disclose the names of lobbyists who "bundle" contributions for them.

Taken together, these accomplishments demonstrate that Obama has what Dillard, the Republican state senator, calls a "unique" ability "to deal with extremely complex issues, to reach across the aisle and to deal with diverse people." In other words, Obama's campaign claim that he can persuade us to rise above what divides us is not just rhetoric.

I do not think that a candidate's legislative record is the only measure of presidential potential, simply that Obama's is revealing enough to merit far more attention than it has received. Indeed, the media have been equally delinquent in reporting the legislative achievements of Hillary Clinton and John Edwards, both of whom spent years in the U.S. Senate. The media should compare their legislative records to Obama's, devoting special attention to their heart-and-soul bills and how effective each was in actually making law.

Charles Peters, the founding editor of the Washington Monthly, is president of Understanding Government, a foundation devoted to better government through better reporting.

Arator  posted on  2008-06-07   13:30:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Arator (#153)

All this for a simple question?

Are you white?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   13:36:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: Jethro Tull (#157) (Edited)

All this for a simple question?

Are you white?

I reject such shallow pigmentation-based self-identification. "White"-ness is irrelevant. Some of the worst foes and oppressors of my people have been pale complected, so to call myself "white" would be to falsely imply a shared community with a whole host of "white" tyrants and criminals, from Roman Caesars and Popes to English Kings and Aristocrats to Yankee Corporate Pirates and their Henchmen. These pale-faced killers and thieves have been my peoples' bain for millennia and we have fought them for millennia. So why would I want to falsely imply a bond with them based on mere skin color? Shared skin color is not nearly enough to bind me or my people to such as these.

On the other hand, if you share my people's eternal emnity towards these pernicious predators, and want to be free of them and their murderous oppressions, then you are my people, whatever your skin color might be.

Arator  posted on  2008-06-07   14:01:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: Arator, Cynicom, Joe Friday (#164)

I reject such shallow pigmentation-based self-identification. "White"-ness is irrelevant.

I didn't ask what you accept or reject; or what you consider relevant or irrelevant.

I did ask you if you are white.

So......are you white?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07   14:10:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: Jethro Tull (#166) (Edited)

So......are you white?

Are you asking about my skin pigmentation? Yes, like most Scots-Irish folk (and other people who hale from northern climes), I am melanin-deficient. But then, you knew that. Why are you badgering me about it? What underlies your apparent obsession with my skin pigmentation?

Arator  posted on  2008-06-07   14:24:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#183. To: Arator (#168)

What underlies your apparent obsession with my skin pigmentation?

Obsession?

No, no....it was more that it took three direct questions to get an answer.

Some aren't comfortable in their own skin.

Go figure.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-07 15:42:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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