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Title: Jim Webb, Iron Intellectual
Source: The Trail
URL Source: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the- ... im_webb_iron_intellectual.html
Published: Jun 6, 2008
Author: Alec MacGillis
Post Date: 2008-06-06 19:33:05 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 2584
Comments: 219

Barack Obama

Jim Webb, Iron Intellectual

By Alec MacGillis
Lost in the hubbub over Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton's secret rendezvous at Sen. Dianne Feinstein's house last night were some of the intriguing ramifications of Obama's previous appointment, a rally at the Nissan Pavilion in the Northern Virginia exurbs that was also attended by Sen. Jim Webb and Gov. Tim Kaine.

Both men, of course, have been mentioned as possible running mates for Obama -- and, in the eyes of the veep-obsessed press, that made the event into an audition of sorts.


This was particularly true for Webb, who, unlike Kaine, was making his first appearance in the role of an Obama booster, having stayed neutral throughout the primaries. One thing quickly became clear, as the red-haired senator introduced the presumptive nominee: those pushing for Webb because they think he will bring muscular, regular-guy credentials -- Marine hero in Vietnam, former Navy secretary, Scots-Irish roots -- may need to think again.

There's no doubt that Webb is tough. He's stood up to President Bush at a White House reception and has a concealed-carry gun license. But he also sees himself as a serious, free-thinking intellectual. He has a bevy of fairly well-regarded books under his belt and prides himself on writing his own stump material.

If yesterday's joint appearance was any indication, far from canceling out Obama's Ivy League pedigree, an Obama-Webb ticket could be one of the most literary pairings ever to take the field.

Whereas Kaine served up a fairly conventional Democratic rallying cry, Webb embarked on a meditation on American history and self-conception over the past forty years. He noted that it was the 40th anniversary not only of Bobby Kennedy's assassination but also of his own swearing into the Marine Corps. He took the audience back to that "tumultuous year" -- the assassinations, the Tet offensive, the riots in which "the African American sections in many American cities had erupted with frequent violence" and the Democratic convention in Chicago.

Webb said he was giving the history tour "because we all know that the United States of 2008 is also a troubled and divided place in a quiet but equally disturbing way."

"The tumult of those earlier years," he went on, "convinced me and others that we needed to learn our love our country more deeply for all its ugly flaws, because it required us to sit back and reconsider the beliefs and values that had once been handed to us as our national legacy. We went through an intellectual challenge in justifying America's uniqueness on fresh grounds and this caused us to believe all the more strongly that ... that this was the moral beacon of the world, that for all or problems we had the will to solve them, the patience to undergo the painful debates that might identify solutions ... and the constitutional system that will provide remedies and thus hold us together as a people."

After a bit more in this vein, Webb got around to introducing Obama -- whom he praised, before all else, not for his toughness or determination, the qualities one might expect the ex-Marine to highlight, but for his brains.

"He is man of great intellect," said Webb. He then drove home the praise by punctuating the final sentence of his introduction with a loud fist pound on the podium.

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#1. To: All (#0)

I can see a big problem with an Obama/Webb ticket. They would find it difficult to get the stupids vote. The stupids are likely to vote for McCain or to stay home and watch Cialis infomercials.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-06-06   19:35:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Arator, Hate Speech lovers (#1)

Senator Webb, another defender of our 1st Amendment. Quite a guy!

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Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-06   20:03:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

This is it? Is this all you got?

It looks like an embarrassment of... what's the opposite of 'riches' in this context? Penury? You mean you don't have nothing on his supermarket cashier's boyfriend? Maybe he's burning Arab-supplied gasoline in his car? Any moonshinig convictions on his grandpa's record?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-06-06   20:17:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#3)

This is it? Is this all you got?

Signing on to legislation that criminalizes speech might be fine for the feckless Obamaites like you, and your freakish pals, but real Americans toss scum like Webb into the socialist waste basket where he belongs.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-06   20:27:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

Say it again: "there's not one iota of difference between Obama/Webb and Hilly/Steinheim, McCain/Condi or W/Cheney. They are all the same and it makes no difference who gets the job.

Yes? Say it again, please. It's so entertaining. It's dumb, of course but it's funny too.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-06-06   20:53:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Jethro Tull (#10) (Edited)

Say it again: "there's not one iota of difference between Obama/Webb and Hilly/Steinheim, McCain/Condi or W/Cheney. They are all the same and it makes no difference who gets the job.

Yes? Say it again, please. It's so entertaining. It's dumb, of course but it's funny too.

LOL.

I'm with you, avrwc. JT wasn't always so dumb. Maybe he just plays dumb to provoke. I think deep down he knows better.

He's attracted a posse that's stump stupid, though. Too bad their candidate (Hillary I, Queen of Appalachia and Contessa of San Juan) didn't come through for them. And, now, a black man shall rule over them, one possessing exceptional intellect and political skills, and the prospect positively terrifies them. In this way, the stars have aligned so that the very universe mocks and laughs at their puerile and retrograde pigmentation-based pretensions.

Arator  posted on  2008-06-06   22:39:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Arator, a vast rightwing conspirator, Jethro Tull (#19)

I'm with you, avrwc.

Well, of course you are. You both seem to just love the whitey-hating Marxist for some reason. I would imagine the only ones who will ever know why will be God and your psychiatrists. I imagine those sessions, where he delves into what makes you tick and why you have changed from someone who supported a real patriot in Ron Paul, or claimed to anyway, and now supports someone who is his complete opposite in Obama, is confusing to say the least.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   8:55:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: James Deffenbach (#56)

The issue is again, the lesser of two evils. McCain by far is the greater of two evils. He is a traitor, a liar, a communitarian (new age communist) and a whipped puppy when it comes to obeying the elite. If voting for Obama means keeping McCain out of the whitehouse then I will do it. McCain is bush on steroids. Besides, as Statlin said and we learned in 2000, it's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-06-07   10:18:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#99)

The issue is again, the lesser of two evils.

Sorry, I don't vote for what I know to be evil and to me they are both evil. Both traitors and one worlder stooges. I want nothing to do with either of them and wouldn't vote for either of them if someone were holding a gun on me.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   12:26:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: James Deffenbach (#117)

Are you are saying you would rather not vote for someone you dislike even if it means allowing a far worse person to assume the office and continuing the neocon destruction of America? Sorry, I'm not that idealistic. I tend to be more pragmatic. Idealism is what allowed the communitarian neocons (commies) to take control and slowly decimate our nation. I think a good example of where I stand is what the conservatives (true conservatives) were saying in 2004 - you may not like who you vote for but to not vote or note vote for the lesser of two evils will end up hurting Americans far worse.

IS IT TIME TO BRING BACK GRIDLOCK?

In an editorial page column for Investor’s Business Daily (11/26/03, p. A14), Bruce Bartlett, a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, advocates the defeat of George Bush and the election of a Democrat to the White House in 2004 as a way of restoring fiscal soundness to the U.S. government’s policies.

"On Jan. 23, 1996, Bill Clinton told the nation, ‘The era of big government is over.’ If so, it sure didn’t last very long. Today, the era of big government is back with a vengeance, ushered in by a massive new prescription drug entitlement, a pork-laden energy bill of grotesque proportions…."

GOP CONTROL OF WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESS HAS MOVED U.S. LEFT

"What few people, including myself, ever thought would happen was that this new era of big government would be implemented by Republicans controlling both Congress and the White House. It makes me long for the good old days of gridlock."

BILL CLINTON AND GOP CONGRESS LEFT A $200 BILLION BUDGET SURPLUS

"In his new book, ‘In an Uncertain World,’ former Treasury Secretary Bob Rubin extols the Clinton administration’s fiscal record. He correctly notes that the federal budget deficit was close to $300 billion when Clinton took office and had a surplus of more than a $200 billion when he left. …

"[I]it was the combination of the two – a Democratic White House and a Republican Congress – that was really responsible for the budgetary turnaround. Each side was checked from enacting new spending programs. The result was that the budget was virtually on automatic pilot for most of the Clinton administration.

"[A] number of economic conservatives suggested in 2000 that the best electoral outcome for growth and the stock market would be Al Gore as president with the GOP retaining control of Congress.

"As financial columnist Daniel Kadlec wrote: ‘The Dow has fared best when one party has controlled the White House and the other has controlled Congress, the optimum formula being a Democratic president and a Republican Congress. That combo has produced Dow gains, excluding dividends, of 10.7% a year.’ …

"The only people who really oppose gridlock are political scientists and party activists, who decry it as a barrier to ‘getting things done.’ A new book by Brookings Institution scholar Sarah Binder, ‘Stalemate,’ lays out the case against gridlock on these grounds.

"The problem is that getting things done is usually a bad thing. All of our nation’s entitlement programs, for example, were enacted when one party controlled all the elected bodies of the federal government. Social Security came under Franklin Roosevelt and a Democratic Congress in the 1930s, Medicare under Lyndon Johnson and a Democratic Congress in the 1960s, and now a prescription drug entitlement under George Bush and a Republican Congress. Our grandchildren’s grandchildren will be paying higher taxes for this latest elderly vote-buying scheme when everyone who supported it is long dead.

"The simplest way of restoring gridlock would be to elect a Democrat as president next year."

http://www.conservativeusa.org/gop-btry.htm

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-06-07   12:52:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#133)

Are you are saying you would rather not vote for someone you dislike even if it means allowing a far worse person to assume the office and continuing the neocon destruction of America?

wtf does it take for people to learn that there is no such thing as a good or better "establisment whore"? When Obama and McCain both take their orders from people behind the scenes and whose orders will not change depending on who the gullible sheeple vote for America is screwed. And I should vote for Obama, why? Sorry, I am not eat up with white guilt to cause me to vote for a flaming Marxist just because he is black. The fact that he is a Marxist and hates whitey disqualifies him for me.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   13:41:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: James Deffenbach (#159)

You don't vote for the lesser of two evils and another bush gets in you can only blame yourself for the loss of our rights, liberty, unnecessary wars, corruption and destruction of our economy. When it comes to Marixsts, the neocon atheist Ashkenazim Jews are the Marxsts. But go ahead and spend time in your fantasy world where everything appears to be perfect. I'll take the lesser of two evils everytime because that is all you're going to get as long as we have only two parties.

You live in a dream state and those of us who refuse to see America destroyed will be pragmatic and try to keep America from being completely destroyed. Don't understand the Hegelian dialectic or communitarianism do you? What a shame.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-06-07   13:59:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#161)

You don't vote for the lesser of two evils and another bush gets in

Yes, it is guaranteed that between McCain and Obama another Bush will get in. I am not so effin' stupid that I think any establishment whore will go against what their masters tell them. Bush did what he was told to do and so will McCain or Obama. The only real difference between them is their skin color and that isn't enough difference to vote for, or against, either of them. What makes them worth voting against is that they are both in thrall to people behind the scenes who actually run things but then some of us had their game figured out a long time ago. Unfortunately some never do learn their game.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   14:33:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: James Deffenbach (#170)

How do you plan to vote AGAINST them?

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-06-07   14:56:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#176)

We can start by not voting FOR them. Until we do that, there's really no hope.

buckeye  posted on  2008-06-07   15:05:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: buckeye (#177)

If my choice is not to vote for anybody or vote for the one who will do less damage to our country, our freedom, our economy and the future of our children I have to vote for the lesser of two evils because I believe not voting is casting a vote for the greater of two evils. We have to realize that there are maybe 3 or 4 politicians who are worth any kind of vote for any office but we just can't turn our backs and let it all go to hell. If we do that then we will never be able to vote FOR somebody.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-06-07   16:05:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#188)

not voting is casting a vote

uh huh. Now we know who helped George Orwell write the novel, 1984. War is Peace and all that. Brilliant, just brilliant.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   17:33:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: James Deffenbach (#196)

"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice" - Rush, Free Will

Dakmar  posted on  2008-06-07   17:42:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: Dakmar (#197)

I don't care if "Free Willy" said it, it doesn't make sense. Not voting is not voting and generally means you don't care which of two sorry choices wins because you recognize that neither of them is worth wasting the time and gas to go to the polls. Having said that I will probably go and do my protest vote for Chuck Baldwin but I will NOT vote for any establishment whore like McCain or Obama. I may have been born at night but not last night.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   17:46:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: James Deffenbach (#198)

I don't care if "Free Willy" said it

Oh give me a home
where the squids and whales roam...

Act Responsibly: Don’t Vote! - Wendy McElroy, September 21, 2004

Dakmar  posted on  2008-06-07   18:02:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: Dakmar (#199)

Act Responsibly: Don’t Vote! - Wendy McElroy, September 21, 2004

That's right. Unless you have a real patriot like Ron Paul to vote for, voting does nothing but encourage the statists (and their enablers) who are destroying this country.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-07   18:07:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#201. To: James Deffenbach (#200)

I'll never fault anyone for voting, bless their hearts, but it saddens me how foolish they are. John McCain? What gives, man, are you Rod Freaking Serling?

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