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Title: Jim Webb, Iron Intellectual
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Published: Jun 6, 2008
Author: Alec MacGillis
Post Date: 2008-06-06 19:33:05 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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By Alec MacGillis Both men, of course, have been mentioned as possible running mates for Obama -- and, in the eyes of the veep-obsessed press, that made the event into an audition of sorts. There's no doubt that Webb is tough. He's stood up to President Bush at a White House reception and has a concealed-carry gun license. But he also sees himself as a serious, free-thinking intellectual. He has a bevy of fairly well-regarded books under his belt and prides himself on writing his own stump material. If yesterday's joint appearance was any indication, far from canceling out Obama's Ivy League pedigree, an Obama-Webb ticket could be one of the most literary pairings ever to take the field. Whereas Kaine served up a fairly conventional Democratic rallying cry, Webb embarked on a meditation on American history and self-conception over the past forty years. He noted that it was the 40th anniversary not only of Bobby Kennedy's assassination but also of his own swearing into the Marine Corps. He took the audience back to that "tumultuous year" -- the assassinations, the Tet offensive, the riots in which "the African American sections in many American cities had erupted with frequent violence" and the Democratic convention in Chicago. Webb said he was giving the history tour "because we all know that the United States of 2008 is also a troubled and divided place in a quiet but equally disturbing way." "The tumult of those earlier years," he went on, "convinced me and others that we needed to learn our love our country more deeply for all its ugly flaws, because it required us to sit back and reconsider the beliefs and values that had once been handed to us as our national legacy. We went through an intellectual challenge in justifying America's uniqueness on fresh grounds and this caused us to believe all the more strongly that ... that this was the moral beacon of the world, that for all or problems we had the will to solve them, the patience to undergo the painful debates that might identify solutions ... and the constitutional system that will provide remedies and thus hold us together as a people." "He is man of great intellect," said Webb. He then drove home the praise by punctuating the final sentence of his introduction with a loud fist pound on the podium.
Barack Obama
Jim Webb, Iron Intellectual
Lost in the hubbub over Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton's secret rendezvous at Sen. Dianne Feinstein's house last night were some of the intriguing ramifications of Obama's previous appointment, a rally at the Nissan Pavilion in the Northern Virginia exurbs that was also attended by Sen. Jim Webb and Gov. Tim Kaine.
This was particularly true for Webb, who, unlike Kaine, was making his first appearance in the role of an Obama booster, having stayed neutral throughout the primaries. One thing quickly became clear, as the red-haired senator introduced the presumptive nominee: those pushing for Webb because they think he will bring muscular, regular-guy credentials -- Marine hero in Vietnam, former Navy secretary, Scots-Irish roots -- may need to think again.
After a bit more in this vein, Webb got around to introducing Obama -- whom he praised, before all else, not for his toughness or determination, the qualities one might expect the ex-Marine to highlight, but for his brains.
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I can see a big problem with an Obama/Webb ticket. They would find it difficult to get the stupids vote. The stupids are likely to vote for McCain or to stay home and watch Cialis infomercials.
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This is it? Is this all you got? It looks like an embarrassment of... what's the opposite of 'riches' in this context? Penury? You mean you don't have nothing on his supermarket cashier's boyfriend? Maybe he's burning Arab-supplied gasoline in his car? Any moonshinig convictions on his grandpa's record?
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Signing on to legislation that criminalizes speech might be fine for the feckless Obamaites like you, and your freakish pals, but real Americans toss scum like Webb into the socialist waste basket where he belongs.
A typical vapid Obama supporter.
O'Piles line up like good doobies for their sweetened KOOL aid that the system brings forth. The boys in the back room are laffing their butts off watching the white guilters all fall into step, what a sorry lot. During the Revolutionary war we know where these so called "Americans" would have pledged their lives and fortunes.
As long as people are saying what they want to hear, that's the important thing.
As voters we were snookered by Presidents for as long as I can remember. Bush to my estimation has done the most collective harm of them all. Of course without a compliant Congress as accessories to crime this would not have happened. Now either Bush or the next president has only to rid themselves of the other toothless branches of government. I doubt if they will be shot but at least they will be told to go home.
I think you've seen 60 years of changes, but some way the "structure" stays the same. The media is the media, officials are officials, and the march of time goes on. But the chains are heavier, less flexible now. Few seem to notice. People don't seem to be in a position to understand what's being done to them.
Say it again: "there's not one iota of difference between Obama/Webb and Hilly/Steinheim, McCain/Condi or W/Cheney. They are all the same and it makes no difference who gets the job. Yes? Say it again, please. It's so entertaining. It's dumb, of course but it's funny too.
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Therein lies the problem. We have many intelligent and well educated people here and on robins nest that for whatever reason cannot get beyond partisan politics. For some reason they do not see the system and or the government as the enemy, no longer the servant.
O'PILE, read aloud the members who signed on to the Matthew Sheppard Hate Bill in #2. The members of the Senate who didn't endorse that PILE of crap are different in respect to others. See? In respect to speech they will not push for its criminalized. Your precious Webb is a red headed POS, nothing more. Now, please tell this forum again how the socialists you adore are here to save us from ourselves.
Oh, pathetic copper... it you want to be represented by someone who agrees with you 100%, make yourself into a candidate. See what happens. Meanwhile, do say that there's no difference between Obamer/Webb and McCain/Condi. Oh, I forgot, you're a Hilly lover but, since she's such a loser, you're in the process of 'pivoting' (I LOVE that word) to the next loser. McCain, that is.
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Webb's accomplishments are that he was selected because George Allen called some stalker a Macca, and it was caught on You Tube. Now, Webb is a proud signatory to the Matthew Sheppard Hate Law bill. Nice hero you have there, PILE. Your family must be very, very proud of your political skills.
:))) bitter old man... I guess your best dreams are those of Obama stopping bullets. I'd rather not even try to imagine your nightmares.
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Hippie :) I give you your optimism, but I say it's misguided. I'm optimistic that more people will become cynical soon. That's our only hope.
Guess you did not see ZBIG on tv this morning discussing the Obama future government. He spoke in code words but the panel would not touch it. Hillary across the street would be a government in exile and or a government in WAITING. Even you could figure that one out.
It's funny how you PILES take information about the voting record of a political saviour and rather than appreciate its accuracy, attack the messenger instead. Very predictable....ignorant, but predictable nevertheless.
Yes? Say it again, please. It's so entertaining. It's dumb, of course but it's funny too. LOL. I'm with you, avrwc. JT wasn't always so dumb. Maybe he just plays dumb to provoke. I think deep down he knows better. He's attracted a posse that's stump stupid, though. Too bad their candidate (Hillary I, Queen of Appalachia and Contessa of San Juan) didn't come through for them. And, now, a black man shall rule over them, one possessing exceptional intellect and political skills, and the prospect positively terrifies them. In this way, the stars have aligned so that the very universe mocks and laughs at their puerile and retrograde pigmentation-based pretensions.
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I received this list via email tonight without a source from a good friend. Official 2008 Bilderberg Participant List Infowars DEU “Ackermann, Josef” “Chairman of the Management Board and the Group INT “McCreevy, Charlie ” “Commissioner, European Commission” ESP “Spain, H.M. the Queen of” Rapporteurs AUT Austria
Uh oh... That is certainly an ill omen. I noticed that mockingbird Chris Matthews began out of the blue to squawk out the name of Mark Warner, longtime globalist agent, for Veep, rather than Jim Webb. Though Webb had an audition of sorts with Obama yesterday, Matthews ignored him as a possibility and touted Warner instead. Obama will come under intense pressure on his Veep pick. I hope he stands up to them all and picks Webb.
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"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
OH'Bummer is owned by the same people who own Hitlery and McNuts. He has made obeisance to the Marxist-Zionist State and kissed Olmerts "Pinky Ring". His proposed foreign policy is nothing but vague and vacuous blather about change with meaning or meaningless changes or something like that. He's another owned whore. Any contention otherwise is simply self delusion.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Obama Capitulates – to the Israel lobby by Justin Raimondo Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's visit to the U.S. is part of a concerted effort, by the Israeli government and its American lobbyists, to convince U.S. lawmakers – and, most of all, President George W. Bush – that the time to attack Iran is now. The Israeli newspaper Yediot Achronot reports that Olmert will tell Bush "time is running out" on diplomacy and that he'd better launch an attack. In his speech to the AIPAC conference, Olmert's message was harsh and unrelenting: Iran, he said, "must be stopped by all possible means" from acquiring a nuclear capability. Yes, sanctions must be tightened, but these are only "initial steps": what's needed, he averred, are "more drastic and robust measures" – and that can only mean one thing. Israel would rather not act alone, but Olmert signaled that he was willing to do so if pushed: ""Israel will not tolerate the possibility of a nuclear Iran, and neither should any other country in the free world," he declared, in what was clearly a threat of unilateral action. Citing Israel's record in regard to Iraq in the eighties and Syria last year, Tim Butcher warned in the Telegraph: "The speech shortens the odds significantly on military action against Iran's nuclear program." The U.S. would almost certainly be drawn into the conflict if Israel carried out its threat, and Olmert knows that. So does Bush, who, in any case, may not need much persuading. After all, in his speech to the Israeli parliament last month, the President declared: "Permitting the world's leading sponsor of terror to possess the world's deadliest weapons would be an unforgivable betrayal for future generations. For the sake of peace, the world must not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon." For the sake of peace, we must make war: a familiar refrain that echoes down through the years, mocking the living and the dead. The clock is ticking, and time is running out for the War Party: they must get in their licks before the most pro-Israel president, ever, leaves office. As Butcher writes: "Among Israeli supporters of military action against Iran there is concern something must be done before Mr. Bush's end of office next January as Mr. Bush is perceived as closer to Israel than any potential successor." Pre-Order this Book Don't look to Barack Obama for deliverance from this looming conflict. In his speech to AIPAC, he clearly signed on to the Lobby's latest project, departing from his prepared text to declare: "I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Everything in my power. Everything." "Everything" includes murdering tens of thousands of Iranians, mostly civilians – driving the price of oil up above $300 a barrel and destroying the US economy – and involving us in a war that will make the Iraq conflict look like a Sunday school picnic. And for what? The irony, of course, is that Iran is nowhere near obtaining nuclear weapons, as the President's own intelligence agencies recently informed him: but no matter. That's a small obstacle to those who disdain "the reality-based community," and see themselves as Making History while the rest of us watch, helpless and aghast. As Ha'aretz recently reported "Olmert will try to convince Bush to set aside the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran's nuclear program in favor of data presented by Israel, and determine the administration's policy on Iran accordingly." The coming war with Iran has nothing to do with "weapons of mass destruction" – no more than the invasion of Iraq ever did. It's all about preserving Israeli hegemony in the Middle East by wiping any and all recalcitrant Arab-Muslim states off the map. First Iraq, then Iran – and Syria will have its turn soon enough, along with poor prostrate Lebanon, once the jewel of the eastern Mediterranean and now an economic and political basket case. It is almost certain we will be at war with Iran before a new President is inaugurated: now that Obama has capitulated to the Lobby, nothing but Divine Providence can stop it. God help us all. I have to say I was wrong – dead wrong – about Obama. In my eagerness to find a bright spot in a rapidly darkening world, I grasped on to his alluring rhetoric and his at-times trenchant critique of the Bush foreign policy, like a sinking man holding on to a life-jacket. But looking for hope in all the wrong places doesn't create opportunities for peace – it only prolongs our illusions. We must face the prospect of a much more terrible conflict than we have ever known, and look it squarely in the face, without flinching or looking for false messiahs. I know many of you are disappointed, and some of you are now exclaiming "I told you so!" All that we can do now is hope, and pray, that our country – and the Iranian people – will somehow survive the coming catastrophe.
but, according to Arator, we who are not self deluded are "stump stupid."
No, only those whose reflexive Obama-hatred is rooted in racism.
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No, the stupids vote for Obama the "10,000 killed in one storm in Kansas" wonder. The one who sees "fallen heroes in the audience" on Memorial day. The one who will say Iran is not a serious threat one day, then two days later call Iran a serious threat. Anyone that would vote for such a man is stupid. Voting for McCain to keep such a stupid man away from the nuke button wouldn't be stupid at all.
God is always good!
Very funny Arator. If you think Obama is in any way smart, then I have a bridge to sell you real cheap.
God is always good!
I hope he does too, so he will lose.
God is always good!
No, only those whose reflexive Obama-hatred is rooted in racism. Oh, and let me guess, anyone who criticizes Israel for their ongoing genocide in Palestine are just criticizing mass murder and oppression "cuz they hate Jews". Have I, or christine, AT ANY TIME commented that our opposition to OH'BilderburgBummer based upon his race? The answer of course is no. It is irrelevant, although the reports leaking out suggest that OH'Bummer's wifey hates white people with a passion. Is that racism? The points raised have been, and are, valid ones questioning who controls the Brzhinsky (founding chairman of the Trilateral Commission) OH'Bummer campaign? All of the evidence suggests that OH'Bummer is no different than Hitlery or McNuts - he is owned by the power elite and will dance to the tune that is dictated - just as the current Mad Chimp in the Whore House has. Further I DEMAND that you back up your slur or do the gentlemanly thing and apologize.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
that's a crock. how many times have we posted it's not about his color, it's about his radical leftist, socialist politics and the fact that he, like hillary and mccain is OWNED. how many times have we posted and you've not comprehended that if this were a Shelby Steele, Larry Elder, Reverend Jesse Petersen, Walter Williams (aside from the fact that he has subbed for limbaugh), Ward Connerly, or any other conservative or libertarian black that isn't establishment that they would have our support? further, if obama had Ron Paul's politics or if Ron Paul were black, either one would have our support.
From your writings, one sees indications you are either a person of color or a self hating white person that sees racism in every aspect of their life. Regardless of your color or lack there of, this..."stars have aligned so that very universe mocks and laughs at their puerile and retrograde pigmentation-based pretensions"....is sure sign of a person that has been off the deep end for quite some time. Rather than one in need of professional help, my view is that you are person with a narrow mind, steeped in self righteousness, with no self esteem and a total lack of character. A person that needs to live on their knees for the sins of this world of racists. In total, a social outcast that wants to be loved by those that despise you.
I know I posted with a rather broad brush, but it was directed at only a select few posters here, not all anti-Obama folk. I appreciate your skepticism and reluctance to support any major party candidate. But it has also been apparent than many here actually hoped Hillary would beat Obama (or still hope that he will lose to McCain in the general). I can't think of any rational reason why anyone would favor Hillary or McCain to Obama. That leaves only irrational ones (like racism).
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many here? i can't think of one who expressed that they hoped hillary would beat obama. i think one or two may have posted that, in their opinion, she could beat mcCain more handily than could obama. that certainly doesn't translate into hillary love as avrwc asserts. for the few that you have mentioned (i can only think of 3) who've expressed that they would vote for mccain over obama, their reasons expressed were that they felt that foreign policy under a democrat wouldn't change, but that domestic policy would actually be worse.
Samo samo here. Of the three stooges, I like him best. Cynicom won't admit his terrible predictions. I'm not sure if Obama will win but McSame will put us in a sink hole, deeper than we're in now, if that is possible.
Nice, you insult someone vastly smarter then you, then use one of the oldest metaphors of gullibility in existence to help prove this is so. Not very original or smart, are you?
I see racism only rarely -- in some posts here on 4um (or other fora) and in my small town kin (some of whom actually think Obama is a crypto-Muslim agent of al Qaida). Otherwise, not. My only aquaintance with self-identified "white" or "European-American" pigmentation-based identity groups/websites has been via posts here on 4um (and, previously, on Liberty Forum). As you probably gathered, I have nothing but contempt for those who vest their identity in mere skin color. Skin color is probably the most superficial basis for "community" possible. If that's all some folks have to hang their identity upon, it probably means that they suffer for lack anything more meaningful. Hence, rather than being a mark of membership in some great civilization or high culture (as "white" supremacists like to pretend), it (ironically) signals the bleeding edge of an ongoing civilizational collapse towards barbarism.
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I started to agree with your post and then you took off on your sanctimonious path to the tall grass. I don't have any respect for either white OR black supremicists. Both groups are extremists in their respective groups and neither show any insight or connection to their respective racial groups. What mainstream whites or blacks identify with them? None, zero, nada. However to diss the contributions of whites in Western nations is too PC blind on your part. Without a doubt the greatest inventions, the greatest progess in the arts and sciences have been accomplished through the intelligence and creativity of whites. Puhleaze...get real. Progress = whites.
If you say so, whitey.
I like Jim Webb alot. And I empathize with his anguished decision to run as a Dem - he said he was a Republican until the neocons commandeered the GOP and the party left him ( similar to the experience of Zell Miller with the Dems). Though the GOP left Webb, he has not left the party totally methinks. Frankly I don't see him as a Dem Party VP. I think he would add a needed dimension to the Dems, but I don't see him towing the Dem line. I think Obama senses that resistence. Webb may have voted for the Shephard hate speech law because it represented ssomething personal to him - his current wife is Asian - Vietnamese I believe. For the most part, Webb is a moderate conservative. I don't see him being a happy camper as a VP to socialist Obama. He might try to make himself fit, but in the long run there'd be policy clashes with Obama and Webb.
That's because you are not rational. Obama is a racist, a habitual liar, and a elitist. He would destroy health care in this nation, attack Pakistan, which has done nothing to us, and destroy race relations in this nation with his anti-White bigotry, which he has made known through his book, his choice of wife, and the church he has been going to for 20 years. On top of all that Obama is a mental midget which he shows on a daily basis. The guy makes Bush look smart and that is no small accomplishment. There is no rational reason to choose him over either McCain or Hillary. None whatsoever.
God is always good!
It's fact, Fred. Please cite me examples of social progress and innovation being associated with non-Caucasians. Answer: you can't. What the future holds no one knows.
Sounds like McCain and Clinton II to me.
Civilization is not the product of any single race or skin-pigmentation. When our "white" ancestors were backwoods barbarians chasing game in northern European forests, the foundation of the civilization that those primitives would later come to inherit was being laid by darker-skinned folk in Africa and the Near East. When our "white" ancestors were still hacking each other to pieces and wallowing in ignorance during the Dark Ages, Arab civilization was preserving the wisdom of the ancients in the East and advancing the science of mathematics for later transmission to us, which made the Italian Rennaisance possible. Where would our civilization be without the advances made by the Chinese, which we received via Marco Polo when he returned from his great trek to the Far East? It is only in the last five-hundred years that Western and Northern European peoples have become dominant, thanks in no small part to prior advances made by other peoples in other parts of the globe. In the greater scope of human history, Northern and Western European "whites" have been rather unexceptional and even barbaric for the most part. The last five-hundred years is the exception, not the rule, and our dominance in this epoch is in no small part derivative from prior advances made or preserved in former epochs dominated by non-"white" peoples. History both exalts and humbles, in turn. No civilization or people remains dominant forever. The truly exceptional civilizations will understand this, and remain humble even when exalted and (temporarily) dominant. If we become too full of ourselves, our turn to be humbled and dominated by others is likely to come sooner than we think.
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You are full of shit Arator. You pull ideas out of your ass to try to make a point. But the only point you are making is that you are stupid. The Romans were White, they dominated when Jesus was here. That was over 2000 years ago.
God is always good!
You seem to be fascinated with certain words such as "pigmentation". Most of us accept "color" as sufficient, unless of course you feel some need to impress people. If that is so, then feel free to impress for whatever self satisfaction you receive. We do not mind, however, in doing so you are painting a physical and character portrait of yourself. What we see so far is not a portrait of honesty nor of acceptable social character.
The Roman civilization was a copycat of the Greeks' with a bit of Etruscan spice. The Greeks themselves viewed the Egyptians as their source and their inspiration. Mesopotamia, Persia, India, China preceded the Romans by hundreds or thousands of years. Sadly, but deservedly, the so-called Western civilization is dying. Like the Romans', it's not the barbarians at the borders defeating us but the rot from within that's hollowing us out. I am re-reading Mein Kamph these days. Hitler's critique of the Jewish race is as valid today as it ever was and it applies to what we are calling today the Western world. Our greed, selfishness, irresponsibility, abandonment of any moral standards is making us all third-rate Jew copycats, worshipers of the golden cow and destined to collapse and return to ashes and dust. It's not very clear what is likely to emerge out of this collapse. Sadly, we finally corrupted the Chinese, the Japanese and the Indians. The Muslims are still resisting us but we changed them too as many of them find meaning in their life in opposing us. Buddhism may re-emerge to be the world's more promising faith and inspiration as the Hindus and the Chinese are taking over the world, hopefully spread humanity to other planets and re-civilize Europe and the Americas. If that's the case, it's not so bad. I can think of other, less elegant alternatives. Anyone dares envision the human-dominated universe in 1000 years? In 10,000 years? In 100,000 years? in a million years? In a billion years? One possibility would be for the machines taking over and doing lots of things meant to help us while the bio-foundation degrades and decays and, eventually, disappears which, surprisingly, would make the machines' continuation meaningless and highly unlikely. Who knows, some hidden and totally incomprehensible God might tweak a parameter or 2 and everything might change direction, following some kind of a reboot process.
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Only a PILE would chose the word "rule over
them" in reference to a potential President Obama. Such is your need for
subjugation. You have no character, Arator. You, more than most, know that my
politics would never bring me to support a Hillary, McCain or Obama, yet with
FReeper flair you avoid discussing Webb's Hate Speech vote I researched, and
continue the deflection. For a man who believes in every crack pot conspiracy
in Patriotville, you are missing the most overt threat to our freedom since
its founding. But then again you are consumed with white guilt and see Obama
as a god simply b/c of his color. Strip that away and he'd be on the lunatic
left and a non threat. Obama is blessed to be running, today, after decades of
multiculturalism and political correctness have conditioned a once proud
people. Although I'm forced to come along with you on this ride, I won't be
compliant. I'll never stop pointing out the socialism he's about to "deliver"
to us all. God help us, white and black.
Ricky Retardo can't seem to get it through his thick skull plate that one of them black folks is much smarter the he is. Obama graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 Ricky. He also served as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review and was elected to the Senate in a landslide with 70 percent of the vote after effective and successful service to his community his entire life after receiving his impeccable academic credentials. You are a fuckwit who repeats garbage in the face of facts, hoping that if you throw them long enough your lies will stick to something. What aa absolute idiot you are, one so stupid you are more amusing to watch then irritating, as it is you you hurt here, not Barack Obama. It is your own words and posts that erode your credibility, bubba. Sure sucks to be you.
A rational person would not vote for any one of the three and most certainly wouldn't spend hours on end talking about how wonderful one or the other of the traitors is.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Barack Obama is a man, a human being, wake up. Hello, stop obsessing about race, It is painfully obvious race bothers you a hell of allot. The rest of us don't give a damn as long as a candidate has the right stuff to lead and Obama has it. It doesn't matter what color or ethnic background he is. The campaign is going to be about his fitness to lead, not about your own personal racial myopia. I was arguing with someone recently who took that "Whites invented everything good" line. I asked him for examples and he mentioned things like the Chinese invention of gun power. I opened my lappie and used the wi-fi where we were to show him just how much the Chinese have invented or developed. Every people on this planet has contributed to humanity, and it was fun to watch him realize his White Supremacy hair shirt has holes in it. Simply put, Barack Obama is a talented leader and brings much needed change to the White House when he is elected this November. It is an election that is going to be about that, not whether he has Negro blood in his linage. Get over your obsessions. Your myopia and mean spirited short sightedness on race only hurts you, not Obama.
What does the man's formal education have to do with the socialism he espouses? FDR came to us after completing a Harvard and a Columbia Law School indoctrination. Wilson, a professor at Princeton, tried to stick the League of Nations down our gullet. Don't think for a minute the elitists among us have our best interest in mind.
My obsession? I've done nothing but speak to the hope and change bumper sticker mentality you've embraced. Lets talk issues. What has he accomplished legislatively that places America First?
People looking for a political Savior will always find one. They are easily swayed by oratory and a re a member of the "sheep" family of contented grazers.
Well, of course you are. You both seem to just love the whitey-hating Marxist for some reason. I would imagine the only ones who will ever know why will be God and your psychiatrists. I imagine those sessions, where he delves into what makes you tick and why you have changed from someone who supported a real patriot in Ron Paul, or claimed to anyway, and now supports someone who is his complete opposite in Obama, is confusing to say the least.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. They are easily swayed by oratory and a re a member of the "sheep" family of contented grazers. Sad, ain't it?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You are a responsible poster with whom discourse and debate moves along a logical line and who allows it to evolve. Ricky Retardo is a fuckwit who repeats the same crap over and over trying desperately to make it true by trying to wear down those debunking his verbal patter. I cite the stark, black and white, and incontrovertible evidence like extremely high accomplishment academically because it is begged by Ricky's fuckwit style. If I bore you with repetitions the obvious, my apologies. But as long as he posts lies, I will debunk them.
Race doesn't bother me and I could, and would, vote for a black person but not just any black person. And that is what the white guilters are doing in this case. And I think you will be eating huge helpings of crow if that whitey hating Marxist actually gets elected. Of course the way the system is rigged it is a "choice" between him and that lunatic, McCain, but a sensible person would say a plague on both their houses and do a protest vote or not participate in what he knows to be a fraud.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I am not moved by your proclamations all three are equally incompetent and bad. I have lived in a community full of nihilists like you and am weary of doom and gloom stagnation politics. Your attitude and fuss budget attitude is what is sad here, nothing else.
Lincoln...lawyer..Civil War Wilson....College professor..WW1 Roosevelt...Hahvud...WW2 Truman...Dummy inherited FDR Korea... Johnson..School teacher...Vietnam Bush...Yale... Iraq Clinton...Oxfud...Kosovo Bush...Yale...Iraq II Obama...Hahvud.....Lets speculate, unless Bush beats him to Iran Obummer will dance to the tune from Tel Aviv... Note....Note a single small town bitter white trash hill billy yet has started a war.
The stupids are just as likely to vote for your hero, Obama, the whitey hating Marxist. Smart people will either do a protest vote or just refrain from voting to show their disdain for an obviously rigged system which only allows approved puppets to "win."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Your misguided support of a black man solely because of your white guilt is what is sad. But just keep on touting him and, if he gets "selected" be prepared to eat lots of crow.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Obama's acolytes are hard to dismiss. Our question to them should be, "When did you come to Obama"? There is no other rational way to discuss their knee pad- like devotion for the Messiah. I understand Oprah simply calls him The One, because we need politicians who know how to be the truth. Help me with my Jesus here, but isn't there something in the good book about, "I am the way, the truth ..."? Apparently Obama is a living, breathing designer of Intelligent Design who can help us all get to a higher plane. But please, during our coming discussions, do not interject fact into the discussion. Or race. Or his radical African Theology. Or his past radical associates. You get the picture. The Os are to Obama as Marshall Applewhite was to Heaven's Gate.
I don't think FM likes Obama only because of white guilt. He's caught up in the good-cop, bad-cop game they're playing on us.
James... That will not suffice. You could draw a diagram from historical fact for "Vast" and the other white guilters and they would still deny reality. Knee padders yearning for a Savior to serve are not swayed by fact, rather they live in a fictional world of their own fantasy.
Thank you Mike, and I like you too. But back to the question at hand, what legislation has Obama advanced that places America First?
Zbig laid it out yesterday on live TV, if Obama is forced to take Hillary, she will be across the street, "a government in waiting". No one dared ask his meaning as they already knew and no one would discuss it. All of this goes well above the heads of the white guilters as they are mired in their own lack of self worth and are being used.
I see Obama as a more popular left-leaning analog to Mitt Romney on the "right." There were plenty of "patriots" who "liked" Romney, but you and I knew that he was an Israel-firster at heart, and didn't fall for him. This is my main argument with the tree-sitting one. We shouldn't fall for these "change" games they're playing with our minds. This is the Hegelian dialectic, nothing else.
I used to not care about Obama because I knew little about him and the most visible feature of his, when I knew little about him, was his color and his Somali-like skinniness. I thought he was the token negro, meant to add some color to Hillary's coronation process and I made many critical, derisive and uninformed remarks about him, usually deriding his supposed tokenist role. I now realize that I was wrong. In the McCain vs. Obama race you will have to decide between a glass that's not only empty but it's cracked and about to shatter and a glass that's maybe 80% full. Or you may write in Ron Paul, or your cat's boyfriend's name. You just do what you got to do but, as Hippocrates used to say, 'first, do no harm'. If you support McCain or Hilly, you do harm.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Check out above. I addressed your curiosity on 'when did you come to Obammer'. Because I was against him before I was for him.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
buck... See my nr 68... Zbig laid it out in his stilted plain English as an Obama supporter, as to what well may come to be fact....It was a giant warning to all Americans, regardless of partisanship. The white guilters have no time to listen or consider what he said.
Ha... You were a sideliner from day one. Painted yourself into a corner as a non thinker and now cannot get out.
White guilters who support Obama are the last folks who should be calling other people "dumb."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. If you support McCain or Hilly or Obama, you do harm. There. Fixed it for you. No charge.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. They may be male guilters, as well. Hillary may appear as a reasonable alternative to McCain to them. (I could care less that she's a woman, but her marriage to Bill Clinton, whose administration presided over the continuing Ruby Ridge coverup, the Waco incident, the AWB, the war against the Serbs, and "Black Hawk Down," and her own relationship to Saul Alinsy is unacceptable to me.)
Aha. Sorry, got to do my 100 laps before the guests show up for the pool party.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Ha... Do your laps and travel all that distance and guess what? You end up right where you started, somewhat like your circular political thinking.
Gun-toting hippie yuppie?
how many times have we posted and you've not comprehended that if this were a Shelby Steele, Larry Elder, Reverend Jesse Petersen, Walter Williams (aside from the fact that he has subbed for limbaugh), Ward Connerly, or any other conservative or libertarian black that isn't establishment that they would have our support? further, if obama had Ron Paul's politics or if Ron Paul were black, either one would have our support. Now that was a great post, right on the mark. Sadly enough, Arator seems to have decided that what Americans need is a whitey hating Marxist to "rule over them." And I have never thought that a president was supposed to "rule over" Americans, that they were supposed to be our servants.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. And his wife being Asian would be a good reason to vote for the destruction of the first amendment? Are there not already enough laws on the books to punish actual harm done to people without going so far as to penalize their thoughts? Or to try to get into their heads to know why they murdered someone? Are the people not just as dead either way and is the punishment already prescribed for willful and wanton murder not good enough? "Hate crimes laws" are bull$#it and need to be called that and those who vote in favor of such stupidity need to be run out of Washington, not elevated to a higher position.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. We need someone who can deal with ground-level realities screaming to be fixed: endemic poverty, police brutality, cruelly unequal schools and foreign quagmires that drain the nation's economy and cripple its morale. Obama as POTUS will inspire unity and help get things back on track and moving in this country. The first thing to do - in a foundational sense - to put America first is to build up our sense of how we truly are in all this together. Barack Obama can do that, people sense this, which is why he is where he is right now. Bush and Cheney got ahead by exporting and exacerbating differences between people, and this was wrong, and people know this and want profoundly a reversal of this sort of politics as usual. I heard the right things from the man when he was here; that it is about us, the people of the United States, not him or any personality cult of elitist group. I see a man who can inspire and lead. He is about Americans coming first, which is precisely why I want him elected this November.
Sounds like a rationalization for the Kennedy's pushing to allow the Irish to become dual citizens.
And guilt ridden to boot. Take a look at the the people around Obama, his "handlers" and his major supporters. One sees NO BLACKS, all whites and nearly all Jews. From his controller, Axelrod, on down the line it is apparent who is in charge and who is the puppet.
Mike, I've read your #82 in response to my simple question, "what legislation has Obama put forward that places America First." You didn't answer the question, and we both know why.
Whitey is an archaic slang term you use to be subtle about your racist attitudes. Do us a favor, use your own colloquialisms, or use punctuation ('') to denote where you borrow slang from others. Especially when you do it to paint the term as one endemic to use by Negroes today in the United States in order to put all of them down. We get it if you say 'white' instead of whitey anyway, so why not just say it as you normally would if you were not posturing?
I argued against the "lesser of evils" since Dole in '96. That year I voted for Perot on the Reform ticket. As I suspected back then, nothing has changed except for the degree of socialism the "lessors" present with. As American Firsters, we either have a set of convictions that cannot be bargained with , or we become part of the problem. To choose Obama is to perpetuate the problem.
Thank you for describing my attitude exactly, JT.
I know why too, it's a bull shit question. Barack Obama has has an excellent career putting people first by working to serve the public rather then to use his education to build wealth and to go places in the business world. He is putting America first by running, just as he put America first by opposing the illegal immoral war Bush started in Iraq. If you want specific legislative accomplishments or other career data, go Google it, or look in the wiki. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) He has doing what is best for America foremost on his mind and will be a unifying force that moves us ahead. That is why I support him for President this year.
Which people?
So to question his legislative inadequacies is bull shit? OK.....
A point I made to some of them just the other day. They are waiting on the comet and getting the Kook Aid ready--and apparently they have already quaffed great quantities of it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You're welcome, buckeye.
NOBODY rules over me!! This little statement yours is what the baseline problem is in the US. Too many profoundly STUPID people really believe this. Those that do should be put to death for the liberty and safety of the rest of us..
Great speech. Stand up on on a bar counter and belt it out sometime.
Please don't tell me you're one of those 'people' that think politicians are your betters to'rule'over you??
In a word? No. Regardless of what they think their job descriptions are, they are only in office to represent us, and defend our liberty.
The issue is again, the lesser of two evils. McCain by far is the greater of two evils. He is a traitor, a liar, a communitarian (new age communist) and a whipped puppy when it comes to obeying the elite. If voting for Obama means keeping McCain out of the whitehouse then I will do it. McCain is bush on steroids. Besides, as Statlin said and we learned in 2000, it's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes.
That's what they're supposed to do but too many of the general public worship them. They more I think about this the more I realize the problem is not with the politicians it's with the sheeple that empowered them.
well said
Buckeye? Think politicians and others should rule over us? LLLLLOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL Sit back, relax and after awhile the drugs will wear off LOL.
Lady X, good morning. Please go gently with the Os. Perhaps you have seen their cars of late; I have. The Obama sticker is firmly fixed to the back bumper, next to the "Save the whales", "Give peace a chance", and of course they'd never cover up their Kerry/Edwards and Gore/Liberman stickers. Their car of choice is the Prius, provided they have less than a 50" waist.
Hello! The Obama people will be profoundly disappointed to say the least. Looks like I'll get to say 'I told you so' yet again..
Webb is Scots-Irish like me, and of course we are superior over everyone else. Eat your hearts out, hah hah!
It is impossible to decutify me.
Yeah, I am afraid he is gullible and naive. But then he is a self admitted "liberal" and that kinda goes together. (I would consider myself a "liberal" IF that term meant the same as it did at the time of the founders--unfortunately it now means something 180 degrees different now and I don't consider myself a "liberal." But then, if Bush (either of them) is a "conservative" I am not that either).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Just as you and I are admitted "conservatives." But we're not voting for McCain, Romney, Huckabee, or Hunter.
I'd rather not even type Songbird's name.
Not necessarily true. There are "lace" Irish, (me) and then there are "shanty" Irish (turtle). hehehehehe
We get it if you say 'white' instead of whitey anyway, so why not just say it as you normally would if you were not posturing? I will use the terms I want to use if it is all the same to you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 Obama voted yes Highlights: -States that most American forces will be redeployed from Iraq by March 31, 2008, with a limited number of troops remaining to protect American personnel and infrastructure, to train and equip Iraqi forces, and to conduct targeted counter-terrorism operations (Title I (Chapter 3 (Sec 1315 (b)))) -Withholds $1.41 billion from the Economic Support Fund and International Narcotics Control and Law Enforcement Fund appropriations made in this bill if the Iraqi government does not meet certain benchmarks, including establishing a system to 33;equitably33; share oil revenues among all Iraqis, implementing a system and schedule for provincial and local elections, and executing a plan to spend $10 billion in reconstruction projects on an 33;equitable33; basis (Title I (Chapter 11 (Sec 1710 (a)))) -Requires certain federal agencies to develop plans to minimize the use of no-bid and cost-reimbursement contracts (Title II (Chapter 6 (Sec 204 (e (2))))) -Raises the federal minimum wage to $5.85 per hour starting the 60th day after enactment of this Act, $6.55 per hour one year after that 60th day, and $7.25 per hour two years after that 60th day (Title V (Sec 501)) -Creates additional tax credits for businesses and waives the alternative minimum tax limits on the work opportunity credit and the credit for taxes paid with respect to employee cash tips (Title V (Sec 510-515)) -$969 million for the Department of Agriculture, including $557 million for the war on terror, and $412 million for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$615.69 million for the Department of Justice, including $445.69 million for the war on terror, and $170 million for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$98.52 billion for the Department of Defense, including $93.68 billion for the war on terror and $4.85 billion for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$63 million for the Department of Energy for its efforts in the war on terror -$6.31 billion for the Department of Homeland Security, including $2 billion for the war on terror and $4.31 billion for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$5.77 billion for the Department of State for its efforts in the war on terror -$221.9 million for the Department of Commerce for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$146.19 million for the Department of Interior for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$1.53 billion for the Department of Health and Human Services for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$57.41 million for the Department of Education for Katrina recovery efforts and other purposes -$1.77 billion for the Department of Veterans Affairs -$75 million for the Department of Transportation Vetoed by President. Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense and Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq Obama voted YES -States that no person in the custody of the U.S. Government can be subject to any interrogation methods not listed in the U.S. Army Field Manual FM2-22.3 Human Intelligence Collector Operations (Sec. 102). -Sets a goal for the President to begin redeploying U.S. Armed Forces from Iraq within 30 days after enactment of this act, starting with units that have been deployed over 365 days, to be completed no later than December 15, 2008 (Sec. 105). -Requires the Secretary of Defense to submit a report by February 1, 2008 to Congressional defense committees that describes the current plan and status for the reduction of U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq, and delays any additional funding until this report is submitted to Congress (Sec. 105, 106). -Requires that none of the appropriated funds may be used to establish a permanent military installation in Iraq or to control any oil resources in Iraq (Sec. 210). Reinstate Pay-As-You-Go through 2011 Amendment Obama voted yes Vote to adopt an amendment that prohibits the Senate from considering legislation that would increase the current 33;on-budget deficit33; or create an on-budget deficit at any time from 2006 to 2011. Earned Income Tax Credit Amendment Obama voted yes S Amdt 2616 to S 2020: To accelerate marriage penalty relief for the earned income tax credit, to extend the election to include combat pay in earned income, and to make modifications of effective dates of leasing provisions of the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004. Vote on a motion to waive the Budget Act in order to adopt an amendment that increases the deduction or credit that married couples filing joint tax returns can qualify for by $3,000 in 2005 instead of the proposed 2007 start date. Hurricane Victims Tax Benefit Amendment Obama voted yes - Indicates that a nonresidential or residential rental property affected by Hurricane Katrina will receive an allowance equal to 50 percent of adjusted basis of the property, the otherwise depreciation deduction then calculated on the reduced adjusted basis. - Increases the state low-income housing credit limit for Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi - Designates property placed in service in an area affected by the hurricanes during 2006, 2007, or 2008 a 33;difficult development area33; for tax purposes - Allows individuals to treat up to 50 percent of 33;qualified Gulf recovery zone clean-up as an expense not chargeable to a capital account33; when the property is used for business or trade - Allows individuals who lived in areas affected by the hurricanes to receive up to $100,000 from another individual's retirement plan without increasing the amount the individual receiving the finacial help is taxed - Grants employers affected by the hurricanes an employee retention credit of up to 40 percent of qualified wages paid - Suspends, temporarily, limitations on charitable contributions that are tax deductible for efforts related to relief from the hurricanes - Suspends the minimal limit on personal casualty losses that are tax deductible for areas affected by the hurricanes - Increases the alternative minimum tax exemption amount for individual taxpayers - Extends superfund taxes until 2015 S Amdt 2371 to S 1932: To amend title XVIII of the Social Security Act to provide the authority for negotiating fair prices for medicare prescription drugs. Obama voted yes. Vote on a motion to waive the Budget Act, in order to adopt an amendment that grants the Secretary of Health and Human Services authority to negotiate contracts with drug manufactures for lower prices on bulk prescription drugs for Medicare. S Con Res 18 S AMDT 210 to S Con Res 18: To repeal the tax subsidy for certain domestic companies which move manufacturing operations and American jobs offshore. Obama voted yes. Vote to adopt an amendment that would repeal the tax subsidy for American businesses that relocate jobs and manufacturing operations overseas. S Amdt 3907 to S Amdt 3911 to S 2248 Obama voted yes Vote to adopt an amendment that strikes Title II from the bill, in effect striking the civil immunity provisions for telecommunications providers and other electronic communications providers that have provided electronic surveillance. S Amdt 3910 to S Amdt 3911 to S 2248 Obama voted yes. Vote to adopt an amendment that states that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is the exclusive means by which surveillance can be conducted on domestic wire, oral, or electronic communications. (no bush, neocon spying permitted) S 1042 S Amdt 1351 to S 1042: To stop corporations from financing terrorism. Obama voted yes Vote to adopt an amendment that makes U.S. businesses and their subsidiaries liable to prosecution for dealing with foreign businesses which have links to terrorism or whose parent country supports terrorism. S Amdt 2022 to S Amdt 2011 to HR 1585: To restore habeas corpus for those detained by the United States. Obama voted yes S 1: A bill to provide greater transparency in the legislative process. Obama voted yes. -Increases the mandatory waiting period before becoming a lobbyist to two years after leaving office for former Senators and senior executive personnel, one year for former members of the House of Representatives, and one year for officers and staff of the Senate [Title I (Sec. 101)]. -Requires that every six months lobbyists disclose all donations made to Federal candidates or officeholders, leadership Political Action Committees (PAC's), or political party committees that were greater than or equal to $200 [Title II (Sec. 203 [a])]. -Requires candidate committees, leadership PAC's, and political party committees to disclose bundled contributions by a lobbyist totaling over $15,000 within a six-month period [Title II (Sec. 204)]. -Prohibits members of the House from participating in events that honor them at the presidential nominating convention for the party in which they belong if the event is directly paid for by a registered lobbyist unless they are a candidate for president or vice president at the convention [Title III (Sec. 305)]. -Prohibits any member of Congress from participating in the Civil Service Retirement System if convicted of bribery, fraud, perjury, corruption, conspiracy or other related offenses [Title IV (Sec. 401 [a])]. -Requires a Senator who intends to object to proceeding to a measure to submit a notice of intent in writing to the Majority or Minority leader and, no less than six session days after the submission of the notice, submit a notice to the Congressional Record that states the Senator's objection and details the reasons [Title V (Sec. 512)]. -Requires that Senators who submit earmark requests on a bill or committee report be identified as the sponsor of their requests on a publicly accessible congressional website at least 48 hours before the item comes to a vote [Tile V (Sec. 521)]. -Requires that Senators, candidates for Senate, or Presidential candidates using non-commercial air travel pay the fair market value of the usual charter fare or rental charge for a comparable plane of comparable size [Title VI (Sec. 601)]. -Prohibits House members and candidates from accepting travel on an aircraft unless it is operated by a commercial carrier, an entity of the Federal government, or the government of any state [Title VI (Sec. 601)]. S Amdt 2476 to S 1042: To establish a special committee of the Senate to investigate the awarding and carrying out of contracts to conduct activities in Afghanistan and Iraq and to fight the war on terrorism. Obama voted yes. Vote to adopt an amendment that creates a special committee to investigate the awarding of contracts in Afghanistan and Iraq taking into consideration: bidding, methods of contracting, subcontracting, oversight procedures, allegations of wasteful practices, accountability and lessons learned in Afghanistan and Iraq. Iraq Troop Reduction Amendment Obama voted yes Vote to adopt an amendment to begin reducing the number of U.S. forces in Iraq within 90 days of the enactment of this bill, with the exception of a limited number of U.S. forces to be engaged in targeted counterterrorism, the training of Iraqi forces, and the protection of U.S. personnel and infrastructure. Time Between Troop Deployments Obama voted yes Vote to adopt an amendment that adds language to HR 1585 establishing mandatory minimum rest periods for members of the regular and reserve components of the armed forces between deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and expressing the sense of the Congress concerning ideal rest periods between these deployments. -Prohibits the deployment of members of the regular armed forces unless the time period between deployments is at least as long as the period of the previous deployment. -Expresses the sense of the Congress that the optimal time period between deployments for members of the regular armed forces should be at least twice as long as the period of the previous deployment. -Prohibits the deployment of members of the Reserve Armed Forces and National Guard if the member has been deployed within the preceding three years. -Expresses the sense of the Congress that members of the Reserve Armed Forces should not be mobilized continuously for more than one year, and that the optimal time period between deployments should be at least five years.
No I did not say it was a good reason. That was not my point. If you care to look back to the context of my remarks, I was saying that I was not convinced that Webb had bought into the Dem Party platform schtick and that this might cause conflicts for him and O if O chose Webb as VP. My example of Webb voting for the hate speech law was to show that his vote may have had more to do with a personal bias issue close to home than it had to do with his believing in it as a Dem platform issue.
It is only in the last five-hundred years that Western and Northern European peoples have become dominant, thanks in no small part to prior advances made by other peoples in other parts of the globe. In the greater scope of human history, Northern and Western European "whites" have been rather unexceptional and even barbaric for the most part. The last five-hundred years is the exception, not the rule, and our dominance in this epoch is in no small part derivative from prior advances made or preserved in former epochs dominated by non-"white" peoples. History both exalts and humbles, in turn. No civilization or people remains dominant forever. The truly exceptional civilizations will understand this, and remain humble even when exalted and (temporarily) dominant. If we become too full of ourselves, our turn to be humbled and dominated by others is likely to come sooner than we think. Blah blah blah...yawn... Wake up and change gears. You are not posting on the daily kos to full-of- themselves artsy fartsy college graduate taxicab drivers who love to use moral equivalence on every issue they face. Whites=progress and I stand by that. Look at the list of Nobel Prize recipients for sciences. Look at any list for prize winners in science and medicine and inventions for that matter. Let wiki be your best friend. Read a book on IQ and the bell curve. Look at the scientific and tech contributions of Africa and Mexico. I rest my case. It's not of racism. It'a a matter of realism. You are being silly for not being able to credit, compliment whites for their contributions - it sticks like a craw in your throat. Your liberal politics have clouded your common sense.
This little statement yours is what the baseline problem is in the US. Too many profoundly STUPID people really believe this. Those that do should be put to death for the liberty and safety of the rest of us.. Exactly!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. By all means. I never intend to tell any fellow interlocutor what to do in any event, James old man. As you know, waiting for people who post with you to adopt your point of view is not something that commonly happens. But just as you like to do, I wanted to make a point. But then again, you knew that anyway. ;-)
NOBODY rules over me!! I was speaking to the fears of the negrophobes/white supremacist types. This is how they see it. Any black in a position of leadership "over them" is an intolerable affront to their entire world view. Hence, the mocking universe's laughter at them, which I also referenced, as Barack Obama makes his ascent to the pinnacle of American political power. It's the prospect of kharmic justice becoming actualized, which is delightful every time it happens. And just as Obama was the agent for the outworking of kharmic justice for the Clintons, so too will he be for the fascist GOPers, the neocons and, yes, the loathsome white supremicists among us. This prospect alone makes him THE CANDIDATE to support. On the great pool table of life, he's akin to a bank shot that sinks four balls simultaneously, racking up a kharmic justice jackpot. This is why I find his candidacy so compelling and irresistable. He's not the messiah, but it is evident (at least to me) that the universe is working its will through him nonetheless. Just ask the Clintons.
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Sorry, I don't vote for what I know to be evil and to me they are both evil. Both traitors and one worlder stooges. I want nothing to do with either of them and wouldn't vote for either of them if someone were holding a gun on me.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. LOL
Thank you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yep. While I do consider myself conservative I certainly don't consider most of the politicians who call themselves that to be honest and forthright.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I don't really care what his reason for voting for unconstitutional bs is. Just the fact that he doesn't know it is unconstitutional tells me all I need to know about him.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Kharma's a bhitch.
I was in the 82nd Airborne Division when I was in the Army the first time. One slang appelation for Division is, "African Airborne," because of the 'AA' in the unit patch, and the large African American demographic of Division. And what I found out when I lived and worked with people from all parts of the spectrum of humanity is that race was just a minor detail in the big picture of getting to know someone. I got over thinking people of any race were any different then any other a long time ago. I know Caucasians and Negroes who are extraordinary to being just mundane, average folks to being real scoundrels. I don't put one race or the other on a pillar, to me it's all the same thing, humanity. I see Barack Obama as a unifier who will help us get past the bullshit of racism and neocon thinking where if you disagree, you are an enemy fit only to be annihilated. You do not, and that is your prerogative. But whether you want it to happen or not Barack Obama is going to get a chance when he wins in November to prove he can deliver.
You are really deluding yourself. The will of the universe has nothing to do with it. Campaign donors have made Obama successful. You think Obama represents ghetto black coming of age? Get serious - Obama's white BANKER grandmother would hear nothing of that nonsense. She made Obama into the man and the politician he is today. It's upper class white banker, not Somalia, that Obama himself credited for his success. As for his popularity in the Dem Party - color triumphs over gender, but of course. Read Obama's book - he worries that he will not be perceived as being black enough so he joins a black pentacostal church. He has played his "skin assets" to the hilt to get ahead in politics when it suited him. Obama is part of the elite. Obama has much more in common with Hillary and Bush and McCain than he'd ever have with you and your ilk in the Dimwit ranks.
And to you, my white (you are white, right?) friend who has never lived in a ghetto, nor will you now, please point to a piece of legislation the Anointed One has put forward that places America First?
Oh I'm quite sure Webb knew that hate speech laws were unconstitutional when he voted yes for them. I'm not making any excuses for him. He did what he did because he felt like it at the time - politicians are corrupted by power. All I'm saying is that I don't think Webb and Obama would make an agreeable copasetic Dem partnership in the WH as Pres and VP. There's too much GOP left in Webb and not enough moderate Dem in Obama. And Webb is too independent minded to be a suitable Dem "follower."
It makes complete sense that Webb would sign on to Hate Speech legislation, given that George Allen's use of the word Macaca got him selected. To erode the 1st as he has done, tells me all I need to know about him.
I don't think the Obama lefties get it. They think it's OK to settle for "partly free." We tried that. We were nice. We were good citizens. Look where that got us. We're not going to be satisfied until we're 100% free again. The elite had their time of "compromise," but what they are now dealing with a hardened, recalcitrant, educated, and fully aware class of patriot. He's seen what happened at Ruby Ridge. He's seen what happened at Waco. He's seen what happened to William Cooper. He's seen what happened to the FLDS. He's seen what happened to US troops in Somalia, Baghdad, and Khowst. He's seen the millions of Mexicans marching in the streets, the treasonous speeches in the halls of the Senate, and the President lying in speech after speech. And we're not even faintly interested in compromise.
It makes complete sense that Webb would endorse ADL inspired Hate Speech legislation. It was George Allen's use of the word Macaca that helped to select him. Anyone who would attack our 1st, will not hesitate to attack the rest.
OKharma
Is that a vegetable?
It's coming from (I believe) fertile knee-jerk lands.
Are you are saying you would rather not vote for someone you dislike even if it means allowing a far worse person to assume the office and continuing the neocon destruction of America? Sorry, I'm not that idealistic. I tend to be more pragmatic. Idealism is what allowed the communitarian neocons (commies) to take control and slowly decimate our nation. I think a good example of where I stand is what the conservatives (true conservatives) were saying in 2004 - you may not like who you vote for but to not vote or note vote for the lesser of two evils will end up hurting Americans far worse. IS IT TIME TO BRING BACK GRIDLOCK? In an editorial page column for Investor’s Business Daily (11/26/03, p. A14), Bruce Bartlett, a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, advocates the defeat of George Bush and the election of a Democrat to the White House in 2004 as a way of restoring fiscal soundness to the U.S. government’s policies. "On Jan. 23, 1996, Bill Clinton told the nation, ‘The era of big government is over.’ If so, it sure didn’t last very long. Today, the era of big government is back with a vengeance, ushered in by a massive new prescription drug entitlement, a pork-laden energy bill of grotesque proportions…." GOP CONTROL OF WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESS HAS MOVED U.S. LEFT "What few people, including myself, ever thought would happen was that this new era of big government would be implemented by Republicans controlling both Congress and the White House. It makes me long for the good old days of gridlock." BILL CLINTON AND GOP CONGRESS LEFT A $200 BILLION BUDGET SURPLUS "In his new book, ‘In an Uncertain World,’ former Treasury Secretary Bob Rubin extols the Clinton administration’s fiscal record. He correctly notes that the federal budget deficit was close to $300 billion when Clinton took office and had a surplus of more than a $200 billion when he left. … "[I]it was the combination of the two – a Democratic White House and a Republican Congress – that was really responsible for the budgetary turnaround. Each side was checked from enacting new spending programs. The result was that the budget was virtually on automatic pilot for most of the Clinton administration. "[A] number of economic conservatives suggested in 2000 that the best electoral outcome for growth and the stock market would be Al Gore as president with the GOP retaining control of Congress. "As financial columnist Daniel Kadlec wrote: ‘The Dow has fared best when one party has controlled the White House and the other has controlled Congress, the optimum formula being a Democratic president and a Republican Congress. That combo has produced Dow gains, excluding dividends, of 10.7% a year.’ … "The only people who really oppose gridlock are political scientists and party activists, who decry it as a barrier to ‘getting things done.’ A new book by Brookings Institution scholar Sarah Binder, ‘Stalemate,’ lays out the case against gridlock on these grounds. "The problem is that getting things done is usually a bad thing. All of our nation’s entitlement programs, for example, were enacted when one party controlled all the elected bodies of the federal government. Social Security came under Franklin Roosevelt and a Democratic Congress in the 1930s, Medicare under Lyndon Johnson and a Democratic Congress in the 1960s, and now a prescription drug entitlement under George Bush and a Republican Congress. Our grandchildren’s grandchildren will be paying higher taxes for this latest elderly vote-buying scheme when everyone who supported it is long dead. "The simplest way of restoring gridlock would be to elect a Democrat as president next year."
Oops....sorry for the duplicate.
*lol*
Inadequacies in respect to what? Are you saying he has a worse record for someone of his background or experience, or that by now he should of remade the U.S. Senate in the time he has been there? You like to draw people down a rhetorical corridor to try to take them out with your handy dandy rhetorical dead fall trap. You do it well, but I am a ferret, and don't follow such paths well. Sorry about that. ;-) I am willing to give this man his chance to lead and unite this nation in 'the fierce urgency of now,' as he calls this time and place in our history he is running for president in. He is the only candidate who is where I am concerning the war in Iraq, and I'll take that leadership over experience any day. Most of the country turned against Iraq a couple of years ago. Democrats are overwhelmingly opposed. They didn’t want someone who had acquiesced or collaborated in its genesis and conduct. This is going to be a big part of what shoots down McCain for a second time in his life when he loses this November, his cheerleader act in supporting this war and because this administration will be a kiss of death to him. One of many he will suffer that will add up to a badly lost election.
Good point about the lesson learned from Allen's fall. Webb is no Thomas Jefferson that's for sure but I think he's probably smarter and less corrupted than the majority of political punks on Capitol Hill with the exception of Dr. Ron Paul, of course. Jt - at this point in time America is on its knees due to the paucity of even a few good men in Congresss. I'd love to have only perfection serving in Congress - like Dr. Paul - but the reality is that America is fortunate to have a 1 or 2 imperfect but not a complete failure politicians, like Webb, as well. Otherwise we're looking at 100% scoundrels in office.
Lets watch him closely, scrapper2. The water in DeeCee changes the hearts and souls of the best of men/women.
Assuming you are correct and he does win--and whether it is him or McCain America and Americans will lose--I hope you are prepared to eat tons of crow. He will no more unite the people of this country than Bush has other than maybe to unite against him. But if either of the establishment's selected candidates, Obama or McCain "win" America is on her last trip around the bowl. It won't make a lot of difference which one of those traitors win since they are both just front men for the people who actually run things. Press Let Rip At Obama Spokesman Over Exclusion From Secret Meeting Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The question to you, a man who is an advocate for Obama, is this; what legislation has he put forward that places America first? (third attempt)
What makes McCain bite the dust in Novemeber is his pitiful useless self and the fact that he cannot attract campaign donations because everyone in the know realizes McCain has L-O-S-E-R written all over himself. The pubbies are throwing this election. They know Junior's actions have made winning the WH an impossibility so short of running no one, they offer up McCain to the electorate because his ego is so big and his brain is so small that he does not realize what the pubbie party machinery has decided. Four years of Hillary or Obama and the pubbies know they are back in the WH for the next 8-16 years.
Reminds me of an old saying... If you hang around an open septic tank long enough, you're eventually going to start smelling like shit.
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
I am not an advocate for Obama. I am an advocate for America. Here is the posting that lists some of the things Obama has supported, voted for.
We have the best Congress money can buy. Founding Fathers rejected term limits based on the assumption that we would have CITIZEN LEGISLATORS that would serve the country for a "season" and then return home to a normal life. They erred terribly in judging that generations to come would act in the interest of country not in self. Consequently we have lifetime professional politicians that will do anything to maintime a dying grasp on power. Even to 100 years of age. What a sad commentary for this country. The Fathers would be dismayed, disgusted and ashamed.
Exactly right Critter. The place is a swamp after all.
And what on that list places America first, and why?
hehehehe...wise saying...needs repeating...
Yes. I won't vote for anyone or promote anyone who takes an oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution" and then votes for things which rip it into shreds. Homey don't play dat.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Founding Fathers rejected term limits based on the assumption that we would have CITIZEN LEGISLATORS that would serve the country for a "season" and then return home to a normal life. They erred terribly in judging that generations to come would act in the interest of country not in self. Consequently we have lifetime professional politicians that will do anything to maintime a dying grasp on power. Even to 100 years of age. What a sad commentary for this country. The Fathers would be dismayed, disgusted and ashamed. Truer words cannot be spoken. You nailed it. I would only add that in addition to self-serving corrupt dead enders in office, have you noticed that federal politicians over the past 20 years are also stupider than politicians of the past? Is this because they are products of our failing public school system? I mean, consider the intellectual deficits of Junior, and Al Gork, and Kerry, and Boxer, and Pelosi and Byrd, and the rest. My gosh. Scary.
Scum rises to the top on swill.
I won't waste my time. If you can't or won't accept that some of that legislation puts America/Americans first, then you allow your "label" preferences (conservative vs. liberal) to override that ability to objectively view things. That type of thinking is what allowed the neocons to take control of our country and virtually destroy it. I am not a conservative... I am not a liberal... I am a Christian American and that removes the Hegelian affect with respect to my decisions. That is what American's need to understand if our country is to be saved.
I don't know if anyone is completely immune to that.
I'm Scots-Irish. My people weren't entirely welcomed by aristocratic plantation masters in the low country (or Yankee traders on the coasts), so we made our way to the vast mountain ghetto they consigned us to on the frontier. There many of us yet remain. ;^) As such, we have much in common with our black brethren. We understand social marginalization and the poverty that can result from it. We have experienced first hand together the systematic exploitation and plunder of the poor by the rich and well-connected in this country. We have both been used as political pawns and burned in turn by the elite pirates who own the Republican Party (and have always owned the Republican Party). And we share a longing for a righting of the balance, for real freedom and for justice. An Obama-Webb ticket will mark, for the first time, a coming together in common cause of these two great American cultural powerhouses, oft rivals at the bottom of the heap, now joined into one dynamic political force with awesome potentialities for transforming this nation into something more closely akin to its promise. , please point to a piece of legislation the Anointed One has put forward that places America First? Judge Him by His Laws By Charles Peters Friday, January 4, 2008; A21 People who complain that Barack Obama lacks experience must be unaware of his legislative achievements. One reason these accomplishments are unfamiliar is that the media have not devoted enough attention to Obama's bills and the effort required to pass them, ignoring impressive, hard evidence of his character and ability. Since most of Obama's legislation was enacted in Illinois, most of the evidence is found there -- and it has been largely ignored by the media in a kind of Washington snobbery that assumes state legislatures are not to be taken seriously. (Another factor is reporters' fascination with the horse race at the expense of substance that they assume is boring, a fascination that despite being ridiculed for years continues to dominate political journalism.) I am a rarity among Washington journalists in that I have served in a state legislature. I know from my time in the West Virginia legislature that the challenges faced by reform-minded state representatives are no less, if indeed not more, formidable than those encountered in Congress. For me, at least, trying to deal with those challenges involved as much drama as any election. And the "heart and soul" bill, the one for which a legislator gives everything he or she has to get passed, has long told me more than anything else about a person's character and ability. Consider a bill into which Obama clearly put his heart and soul. The problem he wanted to address was that too many confessions, rather than being voluntary, were coerced -- by beating the daylights out of the accused. Obama proposed requiring that interrogations and confessions be videotaped. This seemed likely to stop the beatings, but the bill itself aroused immediate opposition. There were Republicans who were automatically tough on crime and Democrats who feared being thought soft on crime. There were death penalty abolitionists, some of whom worried that Obama's bill, by preventing the execution of innocents, would deprive them of their best argument. Vigorous opposition came from the police, too many of whom had become accustomed to using muscle to "solve" crimes. And the incoming governor, Rod Blagojevich, announced that he was against it. Obama had his work cut out for him. He responded with an all-out campaign of cajolery. It had not been easy for a Harvard man to become a regular guy to his colleagues. Obama had managed to do so by playing basketball and poker with them and, most of all, by listening to their concerns. Even Republicans came to respect him. One Republican state senator, Kirk Dillard, has said that "Barack had a way both intellectually and in demeanor that defused skeptics." The police proved to be Obama's toughest opponent. Legislators tend to quail when cops say things like, "This means we won't be able to protect your children." The police tried to limit the videotaping to confessions, but Obama, knowing that the beatings were most likely to occur during questioning, fought - - successfully -- to keep interrogations included in the required videotaping. By showing officers that he shared many of their concerns, even going so far as to help pass other legislation they wanted, he was able to quiet the fears of many. Obama proved persuasive enough that the bill passed both houses of the legislature, the Senate by an incredible 35 to 0. Then he talked Blagojevich into signing the bill, making Illinois the first state to require such videotaping. Obama didn't stop there. He played a major role in passing many other bills, including the state's first earned-income tax credit to help the working poor and the first ethics and campaign finance law in 25 years (a law a Post story said made Illinois "one of the best in the nation on campaign finance disclosure"). Obama's commitment to ethics continued in the U.S. Senate, where he co-authored the new lobbying reform law that, among its hard-to-sell provisions, requires lawmakers to disclose the names of lobbyists who "bundle" contributions for them. Taken together, these accomplishments demonstrate that Obama has what Dillard, the Republican state senator, calls a "unique" ability "to deal with extremely complex issues, to reach across the aisle and to deal with diverse people." In other words, Obama's campaign claim that he can persuade us to rise above what divides us is not just rhetoric. I do not think that a candidate's legislative record is the only measure of presidential potential, simply that Obama's is revealing enough to merit far more attention than it has received. Indeed, the media have been equally delinquent in reporting the legislative achievements of Hillary Clinton and John Edwards, both of whom spent years in the U.S. Senate. The media should compare their legislative records to Obama's, devoting special attention to their heart-and-soul bills and how effective each was in actually making law. Charles Peters, the founding editor of the Washington Monthly, is president of Understanding Government, a foundation devoted to better government through better reporting.
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Well it is obvious one of them is going to win, the elite have made sure of that. So is there a lesser of evils running? I don't know, but I do know Obama has been pushed since day one by the MSM and I think his stance on the issues, which can change daily, are worse than McCain's.
God is always good!
Yeah, he had to know which cocks to suck to make it to the top.
God is always good!
With Obama and McKooK put forth by the "system", we have a choice, whether to be shot or hung. The lesser of two evils if you may. Either "choice" seems to lead to a predestined end.
All this for a simple question? Are you white?
Thats like asking a cranky olde woman with 12 kids if she is virgin??????????
wtf does it take for people to learn that there is no such thing as a good or better "establisment whore"? When Obama and McCain both take their orders from people behind the scenes and whose orders will not change depending on who the gullible sheeple vote for America is screwed. And I should vote for Obama, why? Sorry, I am not eat up with white guilt to cause me to vote for a flaming Marxist just because he is black. The fact that he is a Marxist and hates whitey disqualifies him for me.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Have the Obama apostles taken their cultism to a new level? I've asked some basis Joe Friday-type questions here only to receive a avalanche of BS. Pardon me while I put a 200 watt bulb in the overhead interrogation lamp.
You don't vote for the lesser of two evils and another bush gets in you can only blame yourself for the loss of our rights, liberty, unnecessary wars, corruption and destruction of our economy. When it comes to Marixsts, the neocon atheist Ashkenazim Jews are the Marxsts. But go ahead and spend time in your fantasy world where everything appears to be perfect. I'll take the lesser of two evils everytime because that is all you're going to get as long as we have only two parties. You live in a dream state and those of us who refuse to see America destroyed will be pragmatic and try to keep America from being completely destroyed. Don't understand the Hegelian dialectic or communitarianism do you? What a shame. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
Why is that important?
Obama proposed requiring that interrogations and confessions be videotaped. From your #153. So..... Lookey here to what he ACTUALLY DID VOTE ON: 1/26/05: Obama voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State. Rice was largely responsible for 9/11, the Iraq War, threats of war against Iran, Syria, Venezuela and other nations, and for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent victims in unnecessary wars of her making. Roll call 2 2/01/05: Obama was part of a unanimous consent agreement not to filibuster the nomination of lawless torturer Alberto Gonzales as chief law enforcement officer of the United States (U.S. Attorney General). No roll call is available to view but the unanimous consent is noted in Thomas.loc.gov 2/10/05: Obama voted for an act known by liberals as The Class Action Extreme UnFairness Act of 2005 (S 5) that makes it much more difficult, if not impossible, for victims to seek and obtain damages in class action suits filed against wrongdoers who have harmed multiple victims. Roll call 9 2/15/05: Obama voted to confirm Michael Chertoff, a proponent of water-board torture, an individual connected to the financing of 9/11 and the man behind the round-up of thousands of people of Middle-Eastern descent following 9/11. By confirming him, Obama, in effect, endorsed terrorist attacks on America, water-board torture and racism. One consequence of Obama's' vote to confirm Chertoff was the Katrina disaster. Roll call 10. (In May, 2005, Obama voted to give Chertoff the authority to waive all laws with no judicial review and no relief. See below.) 4/21/05: Obama voted to make John "Death Squad" Negroponte the National Intelligence Director. In Central America, John Negroponte was connected to death squads that murdered nuns and children in sizable quantities. He is suspected of instigating death squads while in Iraq, resulting in the current insurgency. Instead of calling for Negroponte's prosecution, Obama rewarded him by making him National Intelligence Director. On 4/17/05, the California Democratic Party unanimously passed a resolution discussing the death squads and calling on Senators to reject the nomination of John Negroponte. Roll call 107 4/21/05: Obama voted for HR 1268, war appropriations in the amount of approximately $81 billion. Much of this funding went to Blackwater USA and Halliburton and disappeared. Roll call 109 5/10/05: Obama voted to give the Secretary of Homeland Security the power to waive all laws (inclusive of murder, kidnapping and rape and all other heinous crimes) with no judicial review and no relief, and essentially to eliminate the ability of refugees to seek political asylum in the United States. This bill was was a combination of two bills (HR1268/HR418), both of which were harmful to life and freedom. HR 1268 was an appropriations bill which gave profits to contractors who benefited from wars. HR 418 presumed to override Articles I, II and III of the U.S. Constitution. This bill allowed Chertoff legally to commit any crime he wanted to commit in New Orleans, and elsewhere, with one result being the Katrina disaster. It also set up the basis for a Nazi-style national ID Card, similar to the ones issued by Hitler's Regime. Obama voted for all this in Roll Call 117
Are you white? I reject such shallow pigmentation-based self-identification. "White"-ness is irrelevant. Some of the worst foes and oppressors of my people have been pale complected, so to call myself "white" would be to falsely imply a shared community with a whole host of "white" tyrants and criminals, from Roman Caesars and Popes to English Kings and Aristocrats to Yankee Corporate Pirates and their Henchmen. These pale-faced killers and thieves have been my peoples' bain for millennia and we have fought them for millennia. So why would I want to falsely imply a bond with them based on mere skin color? Shared skin color is not nearly enough to bind me or my people to such as these. On the other hand, if you share my people's eternal emnity towards these pernicious predators, and want to be free of them and their murderous oppressions, then you are my people, whatever your skin color might be.
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and there you have it. will that be spun?
I didn't ask what you accept or reject; or what you consider relevant or irrelevant. I did ask you if you are white. So......are you white?
Reply Trace Private Reply Edit 1Associated Press, "Research finds Cheney, Obama distant cousins," October 17, 2007.
#2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Arator, Hate Speech lovers (#1)
Senator Webb, another defender of our 1st Amendment. Quite a guy!
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This is it? Is this all you got?
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#7. To: Jethro Tull, a vast rightwing conspirator, Cynicom (#4)
Signing on to legislation that criminalizes speech might be fine for the feckless Obamaites like you...
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#9. To: Cynicom (#8)
...at least they will be told to go home.
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People don't seem to be in a position to understand what's being done to them.
#12. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Cynicom, Buckeye (#10)
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#17. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Jethro tull (#15)
:))) bitter old man... I guess your best dreams are those of Obama stopping bullets.
#18. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Cynicom (#15)
:))) bitter old man...
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Say it again: "there's not one iota of difference between Obama/Webb and Hilly/Steinheim, McCain/Condi or W/Cheney. They are all the same and it makes no difference who gets the job.
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USA “Sanford, Mark” Governor of South Carolina
USA “Schmidt, Eric” “Chairman of the Executive Committee and CEO, Google”
AUT “Scholten, Rudolf ” “Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG”
DNK “Schur, Fritz H. ” Fritz Schur Gruppen
CZE “Schwarzenberg, Karel ” Minister of Foreign Affairs
USA “Sebelius, Kathleen” Governor of Kansas
USA “Shultz, George P.” “Thomas W. and Susan B. Ford Distinguished Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University”
CHE “Spillmann, Markus” “Editor-in-Chief and Head Managing Board, Neue Zürcher Zeitung AG”
USA “Summers, Lawrence H.” “Charles W. Eliot Professor, Harvard University”
GBR “Taylor, J. Martin” “Chairman, Syngenta International AG”
USA “Thiel, Peter A.” “President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC”
NLD “Timmermans, Frans ” Minister of European Affairs
RUS “Trenin, Dmitri V.” “Deputy Director and Senior Associate, Carnegie Moscow Center”
INT “Trichet, Jean-Claude” “President, European Central Bank”
USA “Vakil, Sanam” “Assistant Professor of Middle East Studies, The Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University”
FRA “Valls, Manuel ” Member of Parliament
GRC “Varvitsiotis, Thomas” “Co-Founder and President, V + O Communication”
CHE “Vasella, Daniel L.” “Chairman and CEO, Novartis AG”
FIN “Väyrynen, Raimo” “Director, The Finnish Institute of International Affairs”
FRA “Védrine, Hubert” Hubert Védrine Conseil
NOR “Vollebaek, Knut” “High Commissioner on National Minorities, OSCE”
SWE “Wallenberg, Jacob” “Chairman, Investor AB”
USA “Weber, J. Vin” “CEO, Clark & Weinstock”
USA “Wolfensohn, James D. ” “Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC”
USA “Wolfowitz, Paul ” “Visiting Scholar, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research”
INT “Zoellick, Robert B. ” “President, The World Bank Group”
GBR “Bredow, Vendeline von” “Business Correspondent, The Economist”
GBR “Wooldridge, Adrian D.” “Foreign Correspondent, The Economist”
BEL Belgium
CHE Switzerland
CAN Canada
CZE Czech Republic
DEU Germany
DNK Denmark
ESP Spain
FRA France
FIN Finland
GBR Great Britain
GRC Greece
HUN Hungary
INT International
IRL Ireland
ITA Italy
NOR Norway
NLD Netherlands
PRT Portugal
POL Poland
RUS Russia
SWE Sweden
TUR Turkey
USA United States of America
#21. To: Fred Mertz (#20)
(Edited)
USA “Johnson, James A.” “Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC” (Obama’s man tasked with selecting his running mate)
#22. To: (#19)
#23. To: Arator, a vast rightwing conspirator, Jethro Tull (#19)
#24. To: Arator (#19)
#25. To: Original_Intent (#23)
Any contention otherwise is simply self delusion
#26. To: christine (#25)
but, according to Arator, we who are not self deluded are "stump stupid."
#27. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)
The stupids are likely to vote for McCain or to stay home and watch Cialis infomercials.
#28. To: Arator (#19)
And, now, a black man shall rule over them, one possessing exceptional intellect and political skills, and the prospect positively terrifies them.
#29. To: Arator (#21)
I hope he stands up to them all and picks Webb.
#30. To: Arator, christine. (#26)
but, according to Arator, we who are not self deluded are "stump stupid."
#31. To: Arator (#19)
(Edited)
And, now, a black man shall rule over them, one possessing exceptional intellect and political skills, and the prospect positively terrifies them. In this way, the stars have aligned so that very universe mocks and laughs at their puerile and retrograde pigmentation-based pretensions.
#32. To: Arator (#26)
now, a black man shall rule over them, one possessing exceptional intellect and political skills, and the prospect positively terrifies them. In this way, the 'stars have aligned so that very universe mocks and laughs at their puerile and retrograde pigmentation-based pretensions".
#33. To: christine (#31)
(Edited)
further, if obama had Ron Paul's politics or if Ron Paul were black, either one would have our support.
#34. To: Arator (#33)
But it was also apparent than many here actually hoped Hillary would beat Obama (or still hope that he will lose to McCain in the the general).
#35. To: Arator (#33)
I can't think of any rational reason why anyone would favor Hillary or McCain to Obama.
#36. To: RickyJ (#28)
"Very funny Arator. If you think Obama is in any way smart, then I have a bridge to sell you real cheap."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#37. To: Cynicom (#32)
(Edited)
From your writings, one sees indications you are either a person of color or a self hating white person that sees racism in every aspect of their life.
#38. To: Arator (#37)
My only aquaintance with self-identified "white" or "European-American" pigmentation-based identity groups/websites has been via posts here on 4um. As you probably gathered, I have nothing but contempt for those who vest their identity in mere skin color. Skin color is probably the most superficial basis for "community" possible. If that's all some folks have to hang their identity upon, it probably means that they suffer for lack anything more meaningful. Hence, rather than a being a mark of membership in some great civilization or high culture (as "white" supremacists like to pretend), it (ironically) signals a civilizational collapse towards barbarism.
#39. To: scrapper2 (#38)
Puhleaze...get real. Progress = whites.
#40. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
#41. To: Arator (#33)
(Edited)
I can't think of any rational reason why anyone would favor Hillary or McCain to Obama.
#42. To: Fred Mertz (#39)
(Edited)
If you say so, whitey.
#43. To: RickyJ (#41)
Obama is a racist, a habitual liar, and a elitist.
#44. To: scrapper2 (#38)
(Edited)
However to diss the contributions of whites in Western nations is too PC blind on your part. Without a doubt the greatest inventions, the greatest progess in the arts and sciences have been accomplished through the intelligence and creativity of whites. Puhleaze...get real. Progress = whites.
#45. To: Arator (#44)
It is only in the last five-hundred years that Western and Northern European peoples have become dominant, thanks in no small part to prior advances made by other peoples in other parts of the globe.
#46. To: Arator (#37)
(as "white" supremacists like to pretend), it (ironically) signals the bleeding edge of an ongoing civilizational collapse towards barbarism.
#47. To: RickyJ (#45)
(Edited)
The Romans were White, they dominated when Jesus was here. That was over 2000 years ago.
#48. To: Arator (#19)
And, now, a black man shall rule over them, one possessing
exceptional intellect and political skills, and the prospect positively
terrifies them. In this way, the stars have aligned so that the very universe
mocks and laughs at their puerile and retrograde pigmentation-based
pretensions.
#49. To: RickyJ (#41)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#50. To: Ferret Mike (#49)
#51. To: RickyJ (#41)
There is no rational reason to choose him over either McCain or Hillary. None whatsoever.
Lord Acton
#52. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#53. To: Ferret Mike (#49)
#54. To: Ferret Mike (#52)
Get over your obsessions.
#55. To: James Deffenbach (#51)
A rational person would not vote for any one of the three
#56. To: Arator, a vast rightwing conspirator, Jethro Tull (#19)
I'm with you, avrwc.
Lord Acton
#57. To: Cynicom (#55)
People looking for a political Savior will always find one.
Lord Acton
#58. To: Jethro Tull (#53)
"What does the man's formal education have to do with the socialism he espouses?"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#52)
It is painfully obvious race bothers you a hell of allot. The rest of us don't give a damn as long as a candidate has the right stuff to lead and Obama has it.
Lord Acton
#60. To: James Deffenbach (#57)
"Sad, ain't it?"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#61. To: Jethro Tull (#53)
What does the man's formal education have to do with the socialism he espouses?
#62. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)
The stupids are likely to vote for McCain or to stay home and watch Cialis infomercials.
Lord Acton
#63. To: Ferret Mike (#60)
Your attitude and fuss budget attitude is what is sad here, nothing else.
Lord Acton
#64. To: James Deffenbach, Cynicom, Aratoe, Mike, VRWC, all (#56)
#65. To: James Deffenbach (#63)
#66. To: James Deffenbach (#62)
obviously rigged system which only allows approved puppets to "win."
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#58)
#68. To: James Deffenbach (#63)
#69. To: Cynicom, bush_is_a_moonie (#66)
#70. To: James Deffenbach (#63)
#71. To: Jethro Tull (#64)
#72. To: buckeye (#69)
#73. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#71)
#74. To: Arator, Jethro Tull (#19)
JT wasn't always so dumb.
Lord Acton
#75. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#70)
If you support McCain or Hilly, you do harm.
Lord Acton
#76. To: Cynicom (#72)
The white guilters have no time to listen or consider what he said.
#77. To: Cynicom (#73)
#78. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#77)
Sorry, got to do my 100 laps before the guests show up for the pool party.
#79. To: Cynicom (#78)
#80. To: christine, Arator (#31)
that's a crock. how many times have we posted it's not about his color, it's about his radical leftist, socialist politics and the fact that he, like hillary and mccain is OWNED.
Lord Acton
#81. To: scrapper2 (#40)
Webb may have voted for the Shephard hate speech law because it represented ssomething personal to him - his current wife is Asian - Vietnamese I believe.
Lord Acton
#82. To: Jethro Tull (#67)
"...what legislation has Obama advanced that places America First?"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#83. To: James Deffenbach (#81)
#84. To: buckeye (#79)
Gun-toting hippie yuppie?
#85. To: Cynicom, Ferret Mike, avrwc, Arator (#84)
#86. To: Ferret Mike (#82)
#87. To: James Deffenbach (#80)
"whitey hating Marxist"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#88. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#71)
#89. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
#90. To: Jethro Tull (#86)
"Mike, I've read your #82 in response to my simple question, "what legislation has Obama put forward that places America First." You didn't answer the question, and we both know why."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#91. To: Ferret Mike (#90)
... putting people first ...
#92. To: Ferret Mike (#90)
I know why too, it's a bull shit question.
#93. To: Jethro Tull (#64)
The Os are to Obama as Marshall Applewhite was to Heaven's Gate.
Lord Acton
#94. To: buckeye (#89)
#95. To: Arator (#19)
shall rule over them
#96. To: Lady X (#95)
#97. To: buckeye (#96)
#98. To: Lady X (#97)
#99. To: James Deffenbach (#56)
#100. To: buckeye (#98)
#101. To: James Deffenbach (#81)
And his wife being Asian would be a good reason to vote for the destruction of the first amendment? Are there not already enough laws on the books to punish actual harm done to people without going so far as to penalize their thoughts? Or to try to get into their heads to know why they murdered someone? Are the people not just as dead either way and is the punishment already prescribed for willful and wanton murder not good enough? "Hate crimes laws" are bull$#it and need to be called that and those who vote in favor of such stupidity need to be run out of Washington, not elevated to a higher position.
#102. To: Lady X, Buckeye (#97)
#103. To: Lady X (#97)
#104. To: Jethro Tull (#103)
#105. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
#106. To: buckeye, Ferret Mike (#65)
I don't think FM likes Obama only because of white guilt. He's caught up in the good-cop, bad-cop game they're playing on us.
Lord Acton
#107. To: James Deffenbach (#106)
But then he is a self admitted "liberal" and that kinda goes together.
#108. To: James Deffenbach (#106)
#109. To: Turtle (#105)
Webb is Scots-Irish like me, and of course we are superior over everyone else. Eat your hearts out, hah hah!
#110. To: Ferret Mike (#87)
Whitey is an archaic slang term you use to be subtle about your racist attitudes. Do us a favor, use your own colloquialisms, or use punctuation ('') to denote where you borrow slang from others. Especially when you do it to paint the term as one endemic to use by Negroes today in the United States in order to put all of them down.
Lord Acton
#111. To: Jethro Tull (#67)
#112. To: James Deffenbach (#81)
And his wife being Asian would be a good reason to vote for the destruction of the first amendment?
#113. To: Arator (#44)
(Edited)
Civilization is not the product of any single race or skin- pigmentation. When our "white" ancestors were backwoods barbarians chasing game in northern European forests, the foundation of the civilization that those primitives would later come to inherit was being laid by darker-skinned folk in Africa and the Near East. When our "white" ancestors were still hacking each other to pieces and wallowing in ignorance during the Dark Ages, Arab civilization was preserving the wisdom of the ancients in the East and advancing the science of mathematics for later transmission to us, which made the Italian Rennaisance possible. Where would our civilization be without the advances made by the Chinese, which we received via Marco Polo when he returned from his great trek to the Far East?
#114. To: Lady X (#95)
NOBODY rules over me!!
Lord Acton
#115. To: James Deffenbach (#110)
"I will use the terms I want to use if it is all the same to you."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#116. To: Lady X (#95)
(Edited)
shall rule over them
#117. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#99)
The issue is again, the lesser of two evils.
Lord Acton
#118. To: Arator (#116)
It's the prospect of kharmic justice becoming actualized
#119. To: christine (#101)
well said
Lord Acton
#120. To: buckeye (#107)
Just as you and I are admitted "conservatives." But we're not voting for McCain, Romney, Huckabee, or Hunter.
Lord Acton
#121. To: scrapper2 (#112)
My example of Webb voting for the hate speech law was to show that his vote may have had more to do with a personal bias issue close to home than it had to do with his believing in it as a Dem platform issue.
Lord Acton
#122. To: buckeye (#118)
#123. To: James Deffenbach (#106)
"Yeah, I am afraid he is gullible and naive."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#124. To: Arator (#116)
He's not the messiah, but it is evident (at least to me) that the universe is working its will through him nonetheless. Just ask the Clintons.
#125. To: Arator (#116)
#126. To: James Deffenbach (#121)
I don't really care what his reason for voting for unconstitutional bs is. Just the fact that he doesn't know it is unconstitutional tells me all I need to know about him.
#127. To: James Deffenbach, Scrapper2, all (#121)
#128. To: scrapper2, christine, Jethro Tull (#124)
Obama is part of the elite.
#129. To: All (#127)
#130. To: buckeye (#118)
#131. To: nobody (#130)
#132. To: buckeye (#131)
#133. To: James Deffenbach (#117)
#134. To: All (#129)
#135. To: nobody (#132)
#136. To: Jethro Tull (#92)
"So to question his legislative inadequacies is bull shit?"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#137. To: Jethro Tull (#127)
It makes complete sense that Webb would sign on to Hate Speech legislation, given that George Allen's use of the word Macaca got him selected. To erode the 1st as he has done, tells me all I need to know about him.
#138. To: scrapper2 (#137)
#139. To: Ferret Mike (#123)
But whether you want it to happen or not Barack Obama is going to get a chance when he wins in November to prove he can deliver.
Lord Acton
#140. To: Ferret Mike (#136)
#141. To: Ferret Mike (#136)
This is going to be a big part of what shoots down McCain for a second time in his life when he loses this November, his cheerleader act in supporting this war and because this administration will be a kiss of death to him. One of many he will suffer that will add up to a badly lost election.
#142. To: Jethro Tull (#138)
The water in DeeCee changes the hearts and souls of the best of men/women.
#143. To: Jethro Tull (#140)
#144. To: scrapper2 (#137)
Otherwise we're looking at 100% scoundrels in office.
#145. To: Critter (#142)
#146. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#143)
#147. To: Critter (#142)
Reminds me of an old saying... If you hang around an open septic tank long enough, you're eventually going to start smelling like shit.
#148. To: Jethro Tull (#127)
It makes complete sense that Webb would sign on to Hate Speech legislation, given that George Allen's use of the word Macaca got him selected. To erode the 1st as he has done, tells me all I need to know about him.
Lord Acton
#149. To: Cynicom (#144)
We have the best Congress money can buy.
#150. To: scrapper2 (#149)
federal politicians over the past 20 years are also stupider than politicians of the past?
#151. To: Jethro Tull (#146)
#152. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#151)
I am a Christian American and that removes the Hegelian affect with respect to my decisions.
#153. To: Jethro Tull (#125)
(Edited)
And to you, my white (you are white, right?) friend who has never lived in a ghetto, nor will you now
#154. To: James Deffenbach (#51)
A rational person would not vote for any one of the three and most certainly wouldn't spend hours on end talking about how wonderful one or the other of the traitors is.
#155. To: Arator (#153)
Obama had his work cut out for him.
#156. To: RickyJ (#154)
#157. To: Arator (#153)
#158. To: Jethro Tull (#157)
Are you white?
#159. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#133)
Are you are saying you would rather not vote for someone you dislike even if it means allowing a far worse person to assume the office and continuing the neocon destruction of America?
Lord Acton
#160. To: Cynicom (#158)
#161. To: James Deffenbach (#159)
#162. To: Jethro Tull (#157)
Are you white?
#163. To: Arator, bush_is_a_moonie, Ferret Mike, O'PILES (#153)
Consider a bill into which Obama clearly put his heart and soul. The problem he wanted to address was that too many confessions, rather than being voluntary, were coerced -- by beating the daylights out of the accused.
#164. To: Jethro Tull (#157)
(Edited)
All this for a simple question?
#165. To: Jethro Tull (#163)
#166. To: Arator, Cynicom, Joe Friday (#164)
I reject such shallow pigmentation-based self-identification. "White"-ness is irrelevant.
#167. To: Arator, Ferret MIke, Vast, bush_is_a_moonie, PILES (#164)
More Obama legislative achievements.
#143. To: iconoclast (#142) Your thoughts on Obama's 2nd Amendment position?
The U.S. Senate Debated:
Voted: Supporting concealed carry for citizens10 Banning many common semi-automatic firearms11 Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned12 Imposing one handgun a month restrictions13 Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks14 Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits15 Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency16 Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners17 Restricting the interstate sales of firearms18 Repealing the gun ban in Washington, DC19
2Ibid.
3O.Kay Henderson, "Three leading Democrats talk about gun control," Radio Iowa News, April 22, 2007.
4James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins, "Court to hear gun case," Chicago Tribune, November 20, 2007.
5Illinois State Senate, vote on SB 2165 (41-16), May 25, 2004.
6Obama says, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." David Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty," Chicago Tribune, February 20, 2004.
7See the Gun Owners of America fact sheet at http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm.
8John Chase, "Keyes, Obama are far apart on guns; Views on assault weapons at odds," Chicago Tribune, September 15, 2004.
9Senators Chuck Schumer and John Kerry had both cosponsored S. 1431 in 2003, a bill that would have banned any semi-auto shotgun that also contained a pistol grip, which the bill defined as "a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip." According to that definition, just about any semi-automatic shotgun would be banned.
10See supra note 6.
11About the so-called "assault weapons" ban, Obama says, "I believe we need to renew -- not roll back -- this common sense gun law." See supra note 8.
12See supra note 5.
13As a state senator, "Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic 'assault weapons' and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month." "Obama Record May be Gold Mine for Critics," Associated Press, January 17, 2007.
14On July 28, 2005, Senator Obama voted for a provision requiring gun dealers to include the sale of a lock-up-your-safety device with every handgun sold. The amendment, offered by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI), passed by a vote of 70-30. The provision amended the gun makers' protection act (S. 397).
15On July 29, 2005, Senator Obama voted against S. 397, a bill that was designed to put an end to the frivolous lawsuits that were threatening to put many gun dealers out of business. While an argument could be made that a pro-gun Senator might vote against this bill because it contained a lock-up- your-safety provision (see supra note 14), the fact that Obama voted in favor of that trigger lock amendment (but against the overall bill) indicates his real animus against helping gun dealers protect themselves from the anti- gun lawsuits that were aimed at driving them into bankruptcy.
16On July 13, 2006, Sen. Obama voted for Emergency Powers language that saw only 16 of the most ardent anti-gun senators vote against it. The amendment provides that no money can be used by federal agents to confiscate firearms during a declared state of emergency. The amendment was added to the Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill (HR 5441).
17On January 18, 2007, Senator Obama voted against a pro-gun amendment to strike language in S. 1 that would infringe upon the free speech rights of groups like Gun Owners of America. The amendment, which passed, struck requirements that would have required GOA to monitor and report on its communications with its members, and could easily have led to government demands for GOA's membership list (a.k.a. registration).
18Obama has frequently made statements which indicate that he would restrict the interstate sale of firearms. For example, he told the NAACP that, "We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit." Senator Barack Obama, at the NAACP Presidential Primary Forum, July 12, 2007.
19See supra note 4.
#168. To: Jethro Tull (#166) (Edited)
Are you asking about my skin pigmentation? Yes, like most Scots-Irish folk (and other people who hale from northern climes), I am melanin-deficient. But then, you knew that. Why are you badgering me about it? What underlies your apparent obsession with my skin pigmentation?
So......are you white?
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
#169. To: Jethro Tull (#166)
Best if Arator never goes to Asia as there are about 3 billion people of "color" that prefer their own race. But now that does not mean they are racists. Also white people constitute only about 8 per cent of the worlds population, making them an endangered specie.
#170. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#161)
Yes, it is guaranteed that between McCain and Obama another Bush will get in. I am not so effin' stupid that I think any establishment whore will go against what their masters tell them. Bush did what he was told to do and so will McCain or Obama. The only real difference between them is their skin color and that isn't enough difference to vote for, or against, either of them. What makes them worth voting against is that they are both in thrall to people behind the scenes who actually run things but then some of us had their game figured out a long time ago. Unfortunately some never do learn their game.
You don't vote for the lesser of two evils and another bush gets in
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#171. To: Cynicom (#169)
We know that Americans are disallowed from having a racial identity. Foreigners of all colors must "assimilate." Whites must celebrate "diversity." Blacks must strive to achieve "equality" with "whites." I think I'm leaving out a particular group that gets continual encouragement to express its racial exclusivity.
But now that does not mean they are racists.
#172. To: buckeye, jethro tull (#171)
After walking the streets in Japan as a "whitey" day or night with no fear at all and then walk the streets of New York City, always vigilant and NEVER at night, what a change. I suspect "pigmentation" is not the problem but just perhaps "culture" is?
#173. To: Cynicom (#172)
But it's all worthwhile, Cynicom. Diversity is worth any price. Or so the TV tells me.
#174. To: christine (#165)
It will simply be ignored: the desire/hope/prayer for 'change,' will overwhelm any cold analysis of the facts.
and there you have it. will that be spun?
#175. To: Jethro Tull (#163)
Let's look at some parts of 1268 Aqualung seemed to leave out. HR 1268: Highlights: Immigration Bars known terrorists from abusing U.S. asylum laws Requires the Department of Transportation and the Department of Homeland Security to create a pilot program that would strengthen U.S. border security by using ground surveillance technology Waves environmental laws in order to complete the 14-mile border fence between the US and Mexico near San Diego Defense Expresses the sense of the Senate that all future requests for military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq appear in the proper appropriation bills, not in emergency supplemental bills Increases the military's total death benefits from $250,000 to $400,000' Increases the death gratuity from $12,000 to $100,000 for all those military personnel killed in combat and applies the increase retroactively beginning with those killed since October 2001 Extends insurance payouts for seriously injured troops from $25,000 to $100,000 retroactive for those injured since Oct. 2001 Requires the Navy to maintain 12 aircraft carriers $308 million for Army procurement of Up-Armored High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (UAHMMWVs) $211 million for Defense personnel medical and health programs Prohibits the use of funds by any federal agency to produce a prepackaged news story without including in such story a clear notification for the audience that the story was prepared or funded by a federal agency By the way, can you tell us who voted against this in the Senate? Most of your post is misleading jibberish from the Democratic Underground site. Stop leav
#176. To: James Deffenbach (#170)
How do you plan to vote AGAINST them?
#177. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#176)
We can start by not voting FOR them. Until we do that, there's really no hope.
#178. To: Jethro Tull, Arator, Christine (#48)
And, now, a black man shall rule over them, one possessing exceptional intellect and political skills, and the prospect positively terrifies them. In this way, the stars have aligned so that the very universe mocks and laughs at their puerile and retrograde pigmentation-based pretensions. Only a PILE would chose the word "rule over them" in reference to a potential President Obama. Au contraire, we need to start using the word "rule" a lot more often, because that is what is getting crowned next year, a veritable RULER. I recommend we stop talking about the next president of the U.S., and start referring to him as the next RULER OF THE UNITED STATES (ROTUS). I daresay if this term was used more, more folks might wake up.
#48. To: Arator (#19)
Election 2008 is the new Narnia: The Liar, The Bitch, and The Warmonger.
#179. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#175)
Establish a panel?
Maintain 12 carriers? How many do we have now? Bars known terrorists
from abusing U.S. asylum laws Would this include bin Laden who Arator and
many others claim is a CIA asset?
#180. To: buckeye (#177)
Good answer. You sure can't vote against the establishment by voting for one of its hand-picked candidates.
We can start by not voting FOR them. Until we do that, there's really no hope.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#181. To: PnbC (#178)
I daresay if this term was used more, more folks might wake up. Good point. I agree with you. Using the "Ruler" reference instead of President would definitely wake up even the sleepiest of American voters. "Ruler" causes a nasty mental image to pop up in a rube's mind.
Au contraire, we need to start using the word "rule" a lot more often, because that is what is getting crowned next year, a veritable RULER. I recommend we stop talking about the next president of the U.S., and start referring to him as the next RULER OF THE UNITED STATES (ROTUS).
#182. To: PnbC (#178)
How about RULER OF THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION (ROTNAU).
I recommend we stop talking about the next president of the U.S., and start referring to him as the next RULER OF THE UNITED STATES (ROTUS).
#183. To: Arator (#168)
Obsession? No, no....it was more that it took three direct questions to get an answer. Some aren't comfortable in their own skin. Go figure.
What underlies your apparent obsession with my skin pigmentation?
#184. To: Jethro Tull (#182)
The next inaugural address the Ruler can say "I've got the power, and I'm going to use it ROT-NAU!"
Election 2008 is the new Narnia: The Liar, The Bitch, and The Warmonger.
#185. To: PnbC (#184)
Gold old boy funny :P
"I've got the power, and I'm going to use it ROT-NAU!"
#186. To: James Deffenbach (#170)
Obama voting record/position... a small list Ok for state to restrict late-term partial birth abortion. Teach teens about abstinence and also about contraception. Can't do anything at home with $12 billion a month on Iraq. Protect consumers with Credit Card Bill of Rights. (must not trust the FED hmmm) More accountability in subprime mortgages. Bush stimulus plan leaves out seniors & unemployed. Account for every single dollar for new proposed programs. Help the homeowners actually living in their homes. Take China "to the mat" about currency manipulation. Regulate financial instruments to protect home mortgages Return to PayGo: compensate for all new spending Bush's economic policies are not working Require full disclosure about subprime mortgages. The politics of fear undermines basic civil liberties No black or white America--just United States of America Politicians: don't use religion to insulate from criticism Decisions about marriage should be left to the states (100% correct.) Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union Strengthen the Americans with Disabilities Act. Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration (Pro-freedom of speech vote) Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage (The Constitution is to keep government from doing things... not citizens. That is the job of the states) Cap the farm subsidies for Fortune 500 companies (pro-worker, anti-elite) End tax breaks for companies that send jobs overseas (He is against outsourcing? How anti-American LOL). Hold corporations responsible for pensions & work conditions Tax incentives for corporate responsibility Close tax loopholes for US companies relocating abroad. Remember the homeland reinvestment act? If American corporations get their way, they will receive a six-month tax reprieve allowing them to bring hundreds of billions of dollars of overseas profits into the United States without paying the normal tax rate. The Senate Finance Committee just passed a bill, the Homeland Reinvestment Act, which will slash the normal tax rate on bringing these profits into the United States from 35 percent to a fraction of that amount – 5.25 percent. Short of paying them to leave, there is nothing more the federal government could do to persuade businesses to move overseas. As such, the act is incredibly shortsighted. Desperate to provide some sort of economic stimulus before election season next year, Republican support for this bill is widespread. In the short run, backers of the bill say it could lead to these corporations bringing as much as $300 billion into the United States economy. Sounds like a good idea right? Wait a second; let’s not get distracted by all those dollar signs. If Congress approves the Homeland Reinvestment Act, the terrible precedent of rewarding companies for moving their operations overseas would be established. It would make it far more profitable for companies to outsource overseas and wait for another tax holiday to bring their profits back into the country instead of staying in the United States and paying the regular tax rate. Senator John Breaux (D-L.A.) told the Mercury News: “The company that left Louisiana is going to pay a 5 percent tax on the widgets they make overseas, and the company that stayed in Louisiana is going to pay a 35 percent tax. If that isn’t an incentive to leave, I don’t know what is.” www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/archives/id/25648/ REAL USA Plan: Reward companies that create domestic jobs. Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. Pushed Illinois bill to videotape all capital interrogations. Voted YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program. Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use. Get parents re-engaged in educating the children. STEP UP: summer learning opportunities for disadvantaged. We left the money behind for No Child Left Behind. Pay "master teachers" extra Pay teachers more money & treat them like professionals. More teacher pay in exchange for more teacher accountability. Supports charter schools and private investment in schools. First Senate bill: increase Pell Grant from $4,050 to $5,100. Sponsored legislations that recruit and reward good teachers. Voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. Stop sending $800M a day to Mideast dictators for oil. Give Katrina contracts to locals, not to Halliburton Reduce mercury and lead to protect community health. Never negotiate out of fear, and never fear to negotiate President must abide by international human rights treaties. Strong labor, safety, and environmental standards on trade (No globalism) Strong labor, safety, and environmental standards on trade Enforce environmental & labor provisions in trade agreements Enforce existing safety laws against Chinese products. Stand firm against CAFTA for labor & environmental standards Congress subsidizes megafarms & hurts family farmers. Amend NAFTA to add labor agreements. Reinvest in communities that are burdened by globalization Insist on labor and human rights standards for China trade. Fair trade should have tangible benefits for US Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade Lobbyists & special interests have strangle-hold on agenda. Need a government that listens to the people again. Release people in bankruptcy due to health care problems Bad idea to over-classify information. bush's signing statements are a clear abuse of prerogative Create "Google for Government" to track government spending. Sponsored bill to disclose earmarks on Internet End corporate jet travel subsidized by lobbyists. Voted NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress. Voted YES on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity Sponsored bill criminalizing deceptive info about elections Sponsored bill to post earmarks on the Internet Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. The problem with health care is about affordability Take on insurance companies; drive down health care costs. Allow prescription drug re-importation. Voted NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium. Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. Voted YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. Voted YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics Voted YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. No torture; no renditions; no operating out of fear. Unacceptable to have veterans drive 250 miles to a hospital. Al Qaida is stronger now than in 2001 as Iraq distracted us. No presidential power for secret surveillance No holding US citizens as unlawful enemy combatants Congress decides what constitutes torture, not president No torture; defiance of FISA; no military commissions Human rights and national security are complementary America cannot sanction torture; no loopholes or exceptions. Close Guantanamo and restore the right of habeas corpus. Get first responders the healthcare and equipment they need Battling terrorism must go beyond belligerence vs. isolation Give our soldiers the best equipment and training available. Balance domestic intelligence reform with civil liberty risk Improve veterans' mental health treatment & PTSD benefits Address the deficiencies in the VA system. The cost of the Iraq war should not shortchange VA benefits Make sure the outpatient facilities work for veterans. Comprehensive plan for our veterans healthcare Support veterans via the Dignity for Wounded Warriors Act Voted NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. Voted YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months Voted YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision Voted YES on restricting business with entities linked to terrorism. (like the bank where bush uncle was an executive). Voted YES on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders Sponsored bill for Iraq budget to be part of defense budget. Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror. Much more. Of course there are also many negative votes/opinions.
#187. To: Jethro Tull (#179)
Going to debate or just whine?
#188. To: buckeye (#177)
If my choice is not to vote for anybody or vote for the one who will do less damage to our country, our freedom, our economy and the future of our children I have to vote for the lesser of two evils because I believe not voting is casting a vote for the greater of two evils. We have to realize that there are maybe 3 or 4 politicians who are worth any kind of vote for any office but we just can't turn our backs and let it all go to hell. If we do that then we will never be able to vote FOR somebody.
#189. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#188)
I recognize your position completely, and I respect it. You don't see quite the level of vitriol from me toward the Obama supporters. But I do not agree. We already are in hell.
...we just can't turn our backs and let it all go to hell.
#190. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#187)
Lets begin at the beginning and his 2nd amendment position as a state senator,
then we can work on up thru each of his Senate offerings. Shoot.
Going to debate or just whine?
#191. To: buckeye (#189)
Voting for the lesser of two evils is the program designed by the elite to keep the election process a closed two party system, with the elite owning and operating both. There is no justification any longer for voting for evil, none at all. The best example was Ross Perot. When given a chance to REPUDIATE the "two party" system, twenty million Americans did just that. It was an enlightening experience to see that so many people at that time were aware of the swindle of our presidential election.
But I do not agree. We already are in hell.
#192. To: Cynicom (#191)
In people's sincerity and love of country, they are furthering our enslavement. All the good civics lessons are wrong when the people do not own their own government.
#193. To: buckeye (#192)
Hearing the adage that..."It is ones civic duty to vote"....makes me gag.
#194. To: Cynicom (#193)
The citizen has one primary duty. That is to think.
#195. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#186)
uh huh. Just wait until he tells his old lady that. She will slap the dog $#it out of him, ahaha. Not that he is any friend of whitey either, just about everything you posted, with the exception of the actual votes, is bs campaign rhetoric and not to be taken seriously. And even with the votes you have to acknowledge, or at least I do, that even a blind squirrel or a flaming Marxist would have to get something right every now and then. A broken clock is right twice a day.
No black or white America--just United States of America
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#196. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#188)
uh huh. Now we know who helped George Orwell write the novel, 1984. War is Peace and all that. Brilliant, just brilliant.
not voting is casting a vote
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#197. To: James Deffenbach (#196)
"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice" - Rush, Free Will
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
#198. To: Dakmar (#197)
I don't care if "Free Willy" said it, it doesn't make sense. Not voting is not voting and generally means you don't care which of two sorry choices wins because you recognize that neither of them is worth wasting the time and gas to go to the polls. Having said that I will probably go and do my protest vote for Chuck Baldwin but I will NOT vote for any establishment whore like McCain or Obama. I may have been born at night but not last night.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#199. To: James Deffenbach (#198)
Oh give me a home Act Responsibly: Don’t Vote! - Wendy McElroy, September 21, 2004
I don't care if "Free Willy" said it
where the squids and whales roam...
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
#200. To: Dakmar (#199)
That's right. Unless you have a real patriot like Ron Paul to vote for, voting does nothing but encourage the statists (and their enablers) who are destroying this country.
Act Responsibly: Don’t Vote! - Wendy McElroy, September 21, 2004
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#201. To: James Deffenbach (#200)
I'll never fault anyone for voting, bless their hearts, but it saddens me how foolish they are. John McCain? What gives, man, are you Rod Freaking Serling?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
#202. To: Dakmar (#201)
Where did I ever say I would vote for McCain? I won't vote for ANY establishment whore and of course that includes both McCain and Obama.
I'll never fault anyone for voting, bless their hearts, but it saddens me how foolish they are. John McCain? What gives, man, are you Rod Freaking Serling?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#203. To: James Deffenbach (#202)
McCain won the primaries, my invective was directed at everyone who voted for him. I should be more specific in the future, doggone it.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
#204. To: Dakmar (#203)
Every time I start thinking that Diebold nominated him, someone tells me "welp, McCain isn't the best, but think about the alternative."
#205. To: Dakmar (#203)
I should be more specific in the future, doggone it. Anyone who voted for McCain, Clinton, or Obama deserve all the invective you can heap on them. Go for it.
McCain won the primaries, my invective was directed at everyone who voted for him.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#206. To: buckeye (#204) (Edited)
A daily kick to the head or ribcage by flashy Moroccan republican guards?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
#207. To: Dakmar (#206)
No, I think that's what they'd want for me, since I'm not "with" them, I must be "against" them.
#208. To: James Deffenbach (#205)
I think what we're stuck with is one big, giant, insurmountable truth: even hard-working, blue collar people have been hoodwinked into believing they need the entire federal government looking over them like some sort of fairie godmother if they expect to survive. Even white-collar people, for that matter. Someone, it seems, wants to turn everyone into a slave.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
#209. To: Dakmar (#208)
And some of them seem more than happy to put on massa's collar and choke chain.
Someone, it seems, wants to turn everyone into a slave.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#210. To: James Deffenbach (#209) (Edited)
Not my problem until they put their chains on me, so I guess, yeah, they've already won. Loan me a videocamera and I'll go get snarky with one of them.
And some of them seem more than happy to put on massa's collar and choke chain.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
#211. To: buckeye (#189)
My only concern is if McCain gets in we will definitely end up in WWIII and it will be nuclear. Again, I don't care for Obama but there is no way I could ever justify doing anything or not doing something that would put McCriminal in office.
#212. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#211)
This is not on your conscience.
#213. To: Dakmar (#210)
If I had one I would certainly loan it to you for that worthy cause.
Not my problem until they put their chains on me, so I guess, yeah, they've already won. Loan me a videocamera and I'll go get snarky with one of them.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#214. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#211)
Yep. That's the bottom line. Obama may not be perfect. But McCain is abominal. The lesser of the two evils is so much lesser now, there is no choice. Vote Obama and destroy the GOP. It's that simple.
My only concern is if McCain gets in we will definitely end up in WWIII and it will be nuclear. Again, I don't care for Obama but there is no way I could ever justify doing anything or not doing something that would put McCriminal in office.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
#215. To: Arator (#214)
How does that happen? What are the precise mechanics of their destruction? I, for one, think the Rs perform much more effectively as a minority party and expect the same to hold true if O gets selected.
Vote Obama and destroy the GOP. It's that simple.
#216. To: Dakmar (#203)
i find it hard to believe he won with people's votes.
McCain won the primaries
#217. To: christine (#216)
You sure?
i find it hard to believe he won with people's votes.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
#218. To: Arator (#214) (Edited)
2. The lesser of the two evils is so much lesser now, there is no choice. 1. Understatement of the month no doubt. 2. bs. There is no difference in puppets when the same puppet master pulls the strings of both of them. Are you really as deluded as you sound these days? The GOP that you hate so much is just the other side of the evil coin that gets flipped every four years and dumbasses keep on thinking that they can somehow change things if they just vote for the D instead of the R. Pitiful, just pitiful.
1. Obama may not be perfect.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#219. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#10)
Why are you guys so sure that Obama will pick Webb? I like Webb overall, but this talk about him being BHO's VP seems like a lot of wishful thinking to me. Webb has said he's not interested, and Obama hasn't shown any interest. If I were a betting man, I'd say a BHO / Wesley Clark ticket is a hundred times more likely. And if Clark is VP, there goes the single issue (foreign wars) on which BHO is slightly better than Mad Mac.
Say it again: "there's not one iota of difference between Obama/Webb and Hilly/Steinheim, McCain/Condi or W/Cheney.
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