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Title: Larry McDonald on the New World Order Source: Google Video, Crossfire (PBS) URL Source: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3100752722910819372 Published: May 31, 1984 Author: Patrick Buchanan, Tom Braden Post Date: 2008-06-07 14:10:14 by buckeye Keywords: NoneViews: 385 Comments: 39
Around May of 1983, approximately 4 months before being shot down in KAL007, Congressman Larry McDonald takes on Pat Buchanan and Tom Braden on Crossfire as they badger him about his new role as Chairman of the John Birch Society. He easily handles them and answers questions concerning the Elite's Conspiracy for a One World Government.
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#1. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom, nobody, scrapper2, Dakmar, christine, RickyJ, Horse, Janes Deffenbach, Itisa1mosttoolate, lodwick, Critter, Artisan, DeaconBenjamin, Tauzero, robnoel (#0) Patrick Buchanan: it's not a conspiracy, it's a "herding instinct." That's a keeper (near the end of the video). buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 14:16:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #2. To: All (#0) [JBS] Schlesinger's 1947 article in Partisan Review Mentioned by Dr. McDonald in Crossfire video Robert and all, Attached is a pdf of the 1947 Schlesinger article in Partisan Review that was mentioned by Larry McDonald in the Crossfire video. Schlesinger’s 1947 article was inserted into the Congressional Record in 1961 by California Congressman John Rousselot, a member of the John Birch Society. The pdf might be too large at about 1 MB to send through this Meetup Alliance group email system, but I’ll try. (I just tried and found that the pdf was too large to send through our group email) I’ve also posted this pdf on our local Fox Valley http://JBS.org Meetup webpage at http://files.meetup.com/831413/Schlesinger1947Article.pdf . And finally, I’ve posted a link to the pdf of this Schlesinger article on the Links page of the Resources section of our http://JBS.org Meetup Alliance at http://www.meetupalliance.com/JBS/resources/Links . Larry www.meetupalliance.com/JBS/discuss/844/1016/ buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 14:57:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #3. To: buckeye (#0) No wonder that he was taken out. Lod posted on 2008-06-07 15:26:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #4. To: lodwick (#3) I don't know about that, Lod. Sometimes coincidences do happen. And I wouldn't describe the JBS as the last and only friend of freedom. They tend to silence members who criticize Jewish influence on American culture. This is probably done with the highest of ideals, but where does that leave the truth? buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 16:57:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #5. To: buckeye (#4) This is probably done with the highest of ideals, but where does that leave the truth? Right here on 4 is a good place to start, imo. Cheers. Lod posted on 2008-06-07 17:01:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #6. To: buckeye (#4) They tend to silence members who criticize Jewish influence on American culture. This is probably done with the highest of ideals, but where does that leave the truth? Silence? Like, how? And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot Dakmar posted on 2008-06-07 17:33:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #7. To: lodwick (#5) Right here on 4 is a good place to start, imo. Or we could start our own television broadcasting empire, but some wiseacre keeps denying my broadcast license. And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot Dakmar posted on 2008-06-07 17:37:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #8. To: Dakmar (#6) Silence? Like, how? Ask them to stop speaking their minds at functions. I suppose they also threaten them with removal from the organization. buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 17:39:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #9. To: buckeye (#4) Eustace Mullins says the JBS was founded and funded by the Rockefellers for a reason, so that they would have a listing of "right wing Americans" and the ability to know all about them. Cynicom posted on 2008-06-07 17:40:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #10. To: Cynicom (#9) I think Mullins makes a good case for the JBS having funding from the same Northeastern Elite, as he calls them. buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 17:42:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #11. To: buckeye (#10) You do know that McDonald was a cousin to General Patton? Cynicom posted on 2008-06-07 17:49:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #12. To: buckeye (#1) Thanks for the ping. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton James Deffenbach posted on 2008-06-07 17:51:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #13. To: Cynicom (#11) No, thanks! buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 17:51:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #14. To: buckeye (#13) No, thanks! ?????????????????????? Cynicom posted on 2008-06-07 17:52:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #15. To: Cynicom (#14) That was short for: I didn't know that, thank you. buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 17:53:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #16. To: buckeye (#8) Have you noticed a tendency toward dominionism in their upper ranks? Even then...I've met few other ex-Birchers, they say the same things. My question, as always, is why join anything? I'm still on the lam from the record club people, fourteen records for a dollar my ass, I knew there was a catch. And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot Dakmar posted on 2008-06-07 17:55:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #17. To: buckeye (#15) McDonald was a cousin to General Patton who also met an "untimely death" After taking over at JBS, McDonald had some kind of a working arrangement with the German Gehlen group. Cynicom posted on 2008-06-07 17:56:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #18. To: Dakmar (#16) My question, as always, is why join anything? Complete agreement here. I was actually reluctant to join 4. I thought the whole attack on Larry McDonald's tendency to join organizations (was it 70 or something?) was hilarious. buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 17:58:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #19. To: buckeye (#18) I was actually reluctant to join 4. I never did, I just sit in once in a while. ba dump-ba And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot Dakmar posted on 2008-06-07 18:04:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #20. To: Cynicom (#17) McDonald had some kind of a working arrangement with the German Gehlen group. Can you tell us more about that? I see that Barbara Aho has mentioned it, as well (Western Goals Foundation). buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 18:07:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #21. To: Dakmar (#7) Or we could start our own television broadcasting empire, but some wiseacre keeps denying my broadcast license. AJ's moneybomb is supposedly going to get a channel on DirecTv. We'll see how that goes, but he's raised over 200K for the project. Lod posted on 2008-06-07 18:50:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #22. To: Cynicom (#17) McDonald was a cousin to General Patton who also met an "untimely death" After taking over at JBS, McDonald had some kind of a working arrangement with the German Gehlen group. 'Troublesome individuals' have a history of a very short life-span. Lod posted on 2008-06-07 18:53:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #23. To: buckeye (#20) (Western Goals Foundation). WGF was created by McDonald and once he was gone, it was disbanded. Gehlen was hired by CIA after WW2. He was a genius at taking bits, pieces, and scraps of useless information and making it into masterful intelligence. Cynicom posted on 2008-06-07 19:05:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #24. To: lodwick, buckeye (#22) As the war wound down, all General officers would revert to their permanent rank, Ike would have been subordinate to Patton. Cynicom posted on 2008-06-07 19:07:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #25. To: Cynicom (#23) He had a specialty and a focus on the Eastern front, according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen This could explain why the JBS liked him. buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 19:10:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #26. To: buckeye, lodwick (#25) If you ever read the book about Reinhard Gehlen you will find he was a master of intelligence, not so much as spying, rather adding 2 plus 2 and getting five for an answer. Example..After WW2 the Russians came up with a new aluminum alloy for aircraft production that we did not have. The US wanted it very badly and was willing to go to great lengths to find the formula. Money was no object. Gehlen knew there had been thousands of German POWS that had returned from Russia long after the war. Most of whom had been slave laborers in Russian factories and mines. He sent his people to scouring Germany looking for these former POWS asking questions for any information they might have. One said he had worked in the factory where the metal was made but knew nothing of its composition. During a long interrogation at his home, he suddenly rose, went to the kitchen and brought back a stained metal soupbowl. During his worke there he had made the bowl out of the very alloy we were looking for. Over time it became so stained one did not know it was the alloy, when he was released he asked to take his soupbowl home with him and the Russians agreed, not knowing what it was made of. Gehlen gave our military not a formula but an actual piece of the metal for analysis. More than you wanted to know, but it was history. Cynicom posted on 2008-06-07 19:33:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #27. To: Cynicom (#26) More than you wanted to know, but it was history. You know me better than that. Thank you. buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 19:36:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #28. To: buckeye, *Bilderberg and NWO Watch* (#2) kook Pat Buchanan shills for mccain and says the Iraq war is a success. "THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DONT WANT TO LOSE THIS WAR", he repeats. MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist.""I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html Artisan posted on 2008-06-07 20:06:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #29. To: Artisan (#28) Not to defend Buchanan but one way to listen to his commentary is that he is explaining the mind of the middle class American voter. That is 100% correct, in that many do believe that the surge has worked and that we should finish the war. They may be voting for Obama with the same thing in mind. I don't think Buchanan agrees with this sentiment. But yes, he is hard to pin down. buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 20:18:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #30. To: Cynicom (#26) More than you wanted to know, but it was history. Not at all. I've learned more here than I ever did in school. Thank you. Lod posted on 2008-06-07 20:57:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #31. To: Artisan (#28) the american people don't want to lose this war? who are the american people that buchanan is talking about? has buchanan forgotten that the dems were voted in in 2006 because americans wanted and expected an end to this debacle? and [we're] winning it according to who? i agree with you. buchanan is shilling yet again. christine posted on 2008-06-07 20:58:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #32. To: christine (#31) I actually talk with people, and I find that CNN and FOX do inform them to a large extent. I think more than vote theft, psychological manipulation through the media explain the vast majority of our voting habits. buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 21:03:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #33. To: Cynicom (#26) One said he had worked in the factory where the metal was made but knew nothing of its composition. During a long interrogation at his home, he suddenly rose, went to the kitchen and brought back a stained metal soupbowl. During his worke there he had made the bowl out of the very alloy we were looking for. Over time it became so stained one did not know it was the alloy, when he was released he asked to take his soupbowl home with him and the Russians agreed, not knowing what it was made of. Gehlen gave our military not a formula but an actual piece of the metal for analysis. wasn't Gehlen ingenious. interesting story. christine posted on 2008-06-07 21:06:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #34. To: buckeye (#32) you're probably right...sigh. i think because of where i live (Austin) where there's a large patriot community plus the fact that i've pretty much x-ed out ordinary people from my life, i lose perspective. christine posted on 2008-06-07 21:10:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #35. To: christine (#34) These Americans who are voting for McCain, Obama, Hillary... everyone, in fact: they're all my people. I want to reach them somehow. It's not easy. buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 21:12:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #36. To: buckeye (#35) Get some http://onedollardvd.com DVDs, burn more, pass them out, engage people, they know that things are frocked - put 4 in your email signature. There are so many ways to steer folks to the truth. Lod posted on 2008-06-07 21:24:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #37. To: buckeye, christine (#29) Buchanan is debating april maddow(sp?) from Air America and he starts going on automatic pilot, spouting neocon talking points supporting the war. One day previous he'll be spouting the ron Paul line about how this is an undeclared illegal war for empire. this seals it, (actually it was obvious in 04 when he endorsed boosh) Buchanan is a completely incredible empty suit kook. MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist.""I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html Artisan posted on 2008-06-08 0:41:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #38. To: buckeye (#1) Patrick Buchanan: it's not a conspiracy, it's a "herding instinct." Control is an illusion; in this sense, Pat's exactly right. N.B. By definition, a behaviorist cannot be a conspiracy theorist. I have to agree that conspiracy is not necessary to an explanation of the observables. Intent is irrelevant. Keisha Brown, 21, from Chicago, whose mother has a nightgown with a picture of Obama on it, said, “Everything will be different now.” Tauzero posted on 2008-06-08 20:34:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #39. To: buckeye (#4) They tend to silence members who criticize Jewish influence on American culture. This is probably done with the highest of ideals, but where does that leave the truth? Fool me twice, shame on me. Keisha Brown, 21, from Chicago, whose mother has a nightgown with a picture of Obama on it, said, “Everything will be different now.” Tauzero posted on 2008-06-08 20:41:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
Patrick Buchanan: it's not a conspiracy, it's a "herding instinct." That's a keeper (near the end of the video).
buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 14:16:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
[JBS] Schlesinger's 1947 article in Partisan Review Mentioned by Dr. McDonald in Crossfire video Robert and all, Attached is a pdf of the 1947 Schlesinger article in Partisan Review that was mentioned by Larry McDonald in the Crossfire video. Schlesinger’s 1947 article was inserted into the Congressional Record in 1961 by California Congressman John Rousselot, a member of the John Birch Society. The pdf might be too large at about 1 MB to send through this Meetup Alliance group email system, but I’ll try. (I just tried and found that the pdf was too large to send through our group email) I’ve also posted this pdf on our local Fox Valley http://JBS.org Meetup webpage at http://files.meetup.com/831413/Schlesinger1947Article.pdf . And finally, I’ve posted a link to the pdf of this Schlesinger article on the Links page of the Resources section of our http://JBS.org Meetup Alliance at http://www.meetupalliance.com/JBS/resources/Links . Larry www.meetupalliance.com/JBS/discuss/844/1016/
[JBS] Schlesinger's 1947 article in Partisan Review Mentioned by Dr. McDonald in Crossfire video Robert and all, Attached is a pdf of the 1947 Schlesinger article in Partisan Review that was mentioned by Larry McDonald in the Crossfire video. Schlesinger’s 1947 article was inserted into the Congressional Record in 1961 by California Congressman John Rousselot, a member of the John Birch Society. The pdf might be too large at about 1 MB to send through this Meetup Alliance group email system, but I’ll try. (I just tried and found that the pdf was too large to send through our group email) I’ve also posted this pdf on our local Fox Valley http://JBS.org Meetup webpage at http://files.meetup.com/831413/Schlesinger1947Article.pdf . And finally, I’ve posted a link to the pdf of this Schlesinger article on the Links page of the Resources section of our http://JBS.org Meetup Alliance at http://www.meetupalliance.com/JBS/resources/Links . Larry
Robert and all,
Attached is a pdf of the 1947 Schlesinger article in Partisan Review that was mentioned by Larry McDonald in the Crossfire video.
Schlesinger’s 1947 article was inserted into the Congressional Record in 1961 by California Congressman John Rousselot, a member of the John Birch Society.
The pdf might be too large at about 1 MB to send through this Meetup Alliance group email system, but I’ll try. (I just tried and found that the pdf was too large to send through our group email)
I’ve also posted this pdf on our local Fox Valley http://JBS.org Meetup webpage at http://files.meetup.com/831413/Schlesinger1947Article.pdf .
And finally, I’ve posted a link to the pdf of this Schlesinger article on the Links page of the Resources section of our http://JBS.org Meetup Alliance at http://www.meetupalliance.com/JBS/resources/Links .
Larry
www.meetupalliance.com/JBS/discuss/844/1016/
buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 14:57:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
No wonder that he was taken out.
Lod posted on 2008-06-07 15:26:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I don't know about that, Lod. Sometimes coincidences do happen. And I wouldn't describe the JBS as the last and only friend of freedom. They tend to silence members who criticize Jewish influence on American culture. This is probably done with the highest of ideals, but where does that leave the truth?
buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 16:57:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
This is probably done with the highest of ideals, but where does that leave the truth? Right here on 4 is a good place to start, imo. Cheers.
This is probably done with the highest of ideals, but where does that leave the truth?
Right here on 4 is a good place to start, imo.
Cheers.
Lod posted on 2008-06-07 17:01:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
They tend to silence members who criticize Jewish influence on American culture. This is probably done with the highest of ideals, but where does that leave the truth? Silence? Like, how?
They tend to silence members who criticize Jewish influence on American culture. This is probably done with the highest of ideals, but where does that leave the truth?
Silence? Like, how?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Dakmar posted on 2008-06-07 17:33:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Right here on 4 is a good place to start, imo. Or we could start our own television broadcasting empire, but some wiseacre keeps denying my broadcast license.
Or we could start our own television broadcasting empire, but some wiseacre keeps denying my broadcast license.
Dakmar posted on 2008-06-07 17:37:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Silence? Like, how? Ask them to stop speaking their minds at functions. I suppose they also threaten them with removal from the organization.
Ask them to stop speaking their minds at functions. I suppose they also threaten them with removal from the organization.
buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 17:39:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Eustace Mullins says the JBS was founded and funded by the Rockefellers for a reason, so that they would have a listing of "right wing Americans" and the ability to know all about them.
Cynicom posted on 2008-06-07 17:40:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I think Mullins makes a good case for the JBS having funding from the same Northeastern Elite, as he calls them.
buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 17:42:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
You do know that McDonald was a cousin to General Patton?
Cynicom posted on 2008-06-07 17:49:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Thanks for the ping.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2008-06-07 17:51:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
No, thanks!
buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 17:51:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
No, thanks! ??????????????????????
??????????????????????
Cynicom posted on 2008-06-07 17:52:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
That was short for: I didn't know that, thank you.
buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 17:53:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Have you noticed a tendency toward dominionism in their upper ranks? Even then...I've met few other ex-Birchers, they say the same things. My question, as always, is why join anything? I'm still on the lam from the record club people, fourteen records for a dollar my ass, I knew there was a catch.
I've met few other ex-Birchers, they say the same things. My question, as always, is why join anything? I'm still on the lam from the record club people, fourteen records for a dollar my ass, I knew there was a catch.
Dakmar posted on 2008-06-07 17:55:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
McDonald was a cousin to General Patton who also met an "untimely death" After taking over at JBS, McDonald had some kind of a working arrangement with the German Gehlen group.
After taking over at JBS, McDonald had some kind of a working arrangement with the German Gehlen group.
Cynicom posted on 2008-06-07 17:56:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
My question, as always, is why join anything? Complete agreement here. I was actually reluctant to join 4. I thought the whole attack on Larry McDonald's tendency to join organizations (was it 70 or something?) was hilarious.
My question, as always, is why join anything?
Complete agreement here. I was actually reluctant to join 4. I thought the whole attack on Larry McDonald's tendency to join organizations (was it 70 or something?) was hilarious.
buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 17:58:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I was actually reluctant to join 4. I never did, I just sit in once in a while. ba dump-ba
I was actually reluctant to join 4.
I never did, I just sit in once in a while.
ba dump-ba
Dakmar posted on 2008-06-07 18:04:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
McDonald had some kind of a working arrangement with the German Gehlen group. Can you tell us more about that? I see that Barbara Aho has mentioned it, as well (Western Goals Foundation).
McDonald had some kind of a working arrangement with the German Gehlen group.
Can you tell us more about that? I see that Barbara Aho has mentioned it, as well (Western Goals Foundation).
buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 18:07:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Or we could start our own television broadcasting empire, but some wiseacre keeps denying my broadcast license. AJ's moneybomb is supposedly going to get a channel on DirecTv. We'll see how that goes, but he's raised over 200K for the project.
AJ's moneybomb is supposedly going to get a channel on DirecTv.
We'll see how that goes, but he's raised over 200K for the project.
Lod posted on 2008-06-07 18:50:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
McDonald was a cousin to General Patton who also met an "untimely death" After taking over at JBS, McDonald had some kind of a working arrangement with the German Gehlen group. 'Troublesome individuals' have a history of a very short life-span.
'Troublesome individuals' have a history of a very short life-span.
Lod posted on 2008-06-07 18:53:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
(Western Goals Foundation). WGF was created by McDonald and once he was gone, it was disbanded. Gehlen was hired by CIA after WW2. He was a genius at taking bits, pieces, and scraps of useless information and making it into masterful intelligence.
(Western Goals Foundation).
WGF was created by McDonald and once he was gone, it was disbanded.
Gehlen was hired by CIA after WW2.
He was a genius at taking bits, pieces, and scraps of useless information and making it into masterful intelligence.
Cynicom posted on 2008-06-07 19:05:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
As the war wound down, all General officers would revert to their permanent rank, Ike would have been subordinate to Patton.
Cynicom posted on 2008-06-07 19:07:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
He had a specialty and a focus on the Eastern front, according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen This could explain why the JBS liked him.
This could explain why the JBS liked him.
buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 19:10:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
If you ever read the book about Reinhard Gehlen you will find he was a master of intelligence, not so much as spying, rather adding 2 plus 2 and getting five for an answer. Example..After WW2 the Russians came up with a new aluminum alloy for aircraft production that we did not have. The US wanted it very badly and was willing to go to great lengths to find the formula. Money was no object. Gehlen knew there had been thousands of German POWS that had returned from Russia long after the war. Most of whom had been slave laborers in Russian factories and mines. He sent his people to scouring Germany looking for these former POWS asking questions for any information they might have. One said he had worked in the factory where the metal was made but knew nothing of its composition. During a long interrogation at his home, he suddenly rose, went to the kitchen and brought back a stained metal soupbowl. During his worke there he had made the bowl out of the very alloy we were looking for. Over time it became so stained one did not know it was the alloy, when he was released he asked to take his soupbowl home with him and the Russians agreed, not knowing what it was made of. Gehlen gave our military not a formula but an actual piece of the metal for analysis. More than you wanted to know, but it was history.
Example..After WW2 the Russians came up with a new aluminum alloy for aircraft production that we did not have. The US wanted it very badly and was willing to go to great lengths to find the formula. Money was no object.
Gehlen knew there had been thousands of German POWS that had returned from Russia long after the war. Most of whom had been slave laborers in Russian factories and mines. He sent his people to scouring Germany looking for these former POWS asking questions for any information they might have.
One said he had worked in the factory where the metal was made but knew nothing of its composition. During a long interrogation at his home, he suddenly rose, went to the kitchen and brought back a stained metal soupbowl. During his worke there he had made the bowl out of the very alloy we were looking for. Over time it became so stained one did not know it was the alloy, when he was released he asked to take his soupbowl home with him and the Russians agreed, not knowing what it was made of.
Gehlen gave our military not a formula but an actual piece of the metal for analysis.
More than you wanted to know, but it was history.
Cynicom posted on 2008-06-07 19:33:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
More than you wanted to know, but it was history. You know me better than that. Thank you.
You know me better than that. Thank you.
buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 19:36:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
kook Pat Buchanan shills for mccain and says the Iraq war is a success. "THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DONT WANT TO LOSE THIS WAR", he repeats.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist.""I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2008-06-07 20:06:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Not to defend Buchanan but one way to listen to his commentary is that he is explaining the mind of the middle class American voter. That is 100% correct, in that many do believe that the surge has worked and that we should finish the war. They may be voting for Obama with the same thing in mind. I don't think Buchanan agrees with this sentiment. But yes, he is hard to pin down.
buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 20:18:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
More than you wanted to know, but it was history. Not at all. I've learned more here than I ever did in school. Thank you.
Not at all.
I've learned more here than I ever did in school.
Thank you.
Lod posted on 2008-06-07 20:57:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
the american people don't want to lose this war? who are the american people that buchanan is talking about? has buchanan forgotten that the dems were voted in in 2006 because americans wanted and expected an end to this debacle? and [we're] winning it according to who? i agree with you. buchanan is shilling yet again.
christine posted on 2008-06-07 20:58:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I actually talk with people, and I find that CNN and FOX do inform them to a large extent. I think more than vote theft, psychological manipulation through the media explain the vast majority of our voting habits.
buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 21:03:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
One said he had worked in the factory where the metal was made but knew nothing of its composition. During a long interrogation at his home, he suddenly rose, went to the kitchen and brought back a stained metal soupbowl. During his worke there he had made the bowl out of the very alloy we were looking for. Over time it became so stained one did not know it was the alloy, when he was released he asked to take his soupbowl home with him and the Russians agreed, not knowing what it was made of. Gehlen gave our military not a formula but an actual piece of the metal for analysis. wasn't Gehlen ingenious. interesting story.
One said he had worked in the factory where the metal was made but knew nothing of its composition. During a long interrogation at his home, he suddenly rose, went to the kitchen and brought back a stained metal soupbowl. During his worke there he had made the bowl out of the very alloy we were looking for. Over time it became so stained one did not know it was the alloy, when he was released he asked to take his soupbowl home with him and the Russians agreed, not knowing what it was made of. Gehlen gave our military not a formula but an actual piece of the metal for analysis.
wasn't Gehlen ingenious. interesting story.
christine posted on 2008-06-07 21:06:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
you're probably right...sigh. i think because of where i live (Austin) where there's a large patriot community plus the fact that i've pretty much x-ed out ordinary people from my life, i lose perspective.
christine posted on 2008-06-07 21:10:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
These Americans who are voting for McCain, Obama, Hillary... everyone, in fact: they're all my people. I want to reach them somehow. It's not easy.
buckeye posted on 2008-06-07 21:12:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Get some http://onedollardvd.com DVDs, burn more, pass them out, engage people, they know that things are frocked - put 4 in your email signature. There are so many ways to steer folks to the truth.
Lod posted on 2008-06-07 21:24:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Buchanan is debating april maddow(sp?) from Air America and he starts going on automatic pilot, spouting neocon talking points supporting the war. One day previous he'll be spouting the ron Paul line about how this is an undeclared illegal war for empire. this seals it, (actually it was obvious in 04 when he endorsed boosh) Buchanan is a completely incredible empty suit kook.
Artisan posted on 2008-06-08 0:41:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Patrick Buchanan: it's not a conspiracy, it's a "herding instinct." Control is an illusion; in this sense, Pat's exactly right. N.B. By definition, a behaviorist cannot be a conspiracy theorist. I have to agree that conspiracy is not necessary to an explanation of the observables. Intent is irrelevant.
Patrick Buchanan: it's not a conspiracy, it's a "herding instinct."
Control is an illusion; in this sense, Pat's exactly right.
N.B. By definition, a behaviorist cannot be a conspiracy theorist. I have to agree that conspiracy is not necessary to an explanation of the observables. Intent is irrelevant.
Keisha Brown, 21, from Chicago, whose mother has a nightgown with a picture of Obama on it, said, “Everything will be different now.”
Tauzero posted on 2008-06-08 20:34:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
They tend to silence members who criticize Jewish influence on American culture. This is probably done with the highest of ideals, but where does that leave the truth? Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Tauzero posted on 2008-06-08 20:41:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply