Title: Bob Barr is a libertarian? Source:
[None] URL Source:[None] Published:Jun 7, 2008 Author:none Post Date:2008-06-07 20:54:41 by graindrops Keywords:barr, libertarian Views:234 Comments:19
Can someone explain to me how Bob Barr is a libertarian?
If I recall, wasn't he as of a couple of years ago a pro-life, pro-drug war, anti-gay marriage Republican?
But he's feeling much better now, nevermind the cheeze-whiz incident.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I don't think Barr is credible as a libertarian; but on another note, I see no problem with someone being A Pro life /anti-abortion libertarian, for the defense of the innocent and of all life is perfectly in line with liberty. check out libertarians for life. http://l4l.org
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." "I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." "I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
It is possible that he has simply had a change of heart. I probably would have agreed with Barr's stances pre 9/11. I've changed a lot, he may have too. That said, I would have to see what he does in his new roll.
In arguing that abortion should not be legal, pro-lifers generally focus on proving that a human being's life begins at conception. This argument often fails to persuade, because it does not confront the right of the woman to control her own body. Many pro-lifers talk as if they have lost the rights argument — or worse that they can never win it — and they end up painting rights as irrelevant and running away from it.
Turning this weakness on rights to their advantage, abortion choicers contemptuously attack abortion opponents as "anti-choice" and claim that to be anti-legal-abortion is to be anti-liberty.
Actually, however, pro-lifers own the libertarian high ground. This article, "Abortion and Rights: Applying Libertarian Principles Correctly," shows why.
Using non-religious arguments, it shows why libertarian principles apply to human beings from conception. Libertarianism's basic principle is the obligation not to aggress against anyone.
It follows from this obligation that the prenatal child has the right to be in the mother's womb.
Many people are confused on abortion, because they see the child's rights as being in conflict with the mother's rights. This article shows why no such conflict exists.
Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions. James Madison
#5. To: graindrops, Christine, lodwick, original_intent, (#0)
I'd like to know how Michael Badnarik , libertarian presidential candidate of 2004, can support Bob Barr, if he does, when badnarik constantly criticizes the patriot act and drug war. Certainly he is not going for party above principle? badnarik has a daily show on WTPRN.COM
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." "I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
I don't think Barr is credible as a libertarian; but on another note, I see no problem with someone being A Pro life /anti-abortion libertarian, for the defense of the innocent and of all life is perfectly in line with liberty.
So long as he's for throwing it back to the individual states to decide, I don't have a problem with that. The feds shouldn't have any authority in the matter.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
It is possible that he has simply had a change of heart
Sure, just like "conservative Christian" /abortionist- gun-grabber open border Romney who goes from boasting 'I'm to the left of ted kennedy' to conservative stalwart in a number of months . Everyone can change! Change of heart!! it's possible! ;-)
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." "I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
but it does seem to be a change of convenience doesn’t it?
Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions. James Madison
I think Bob Barr is useful in that when having conversations with stupid pro- empire republicans, we can point to a 'mainstream' GOPer who, in his rhetoric at least, opposes the encroaching tyrany. Pat buchanan is another sack who most idiots know who he is... 'a long time credible republican against the war'.
we have to present things really simply when getting folks to think, IMO. the majority of mainstream does usually not even concede that there are repubs against the war.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." "I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
I'm more pissed about this new cell phone law than who the next ''president' will be. can you come up with any arguements against it? On what authority can they tell us not to talk on phones?
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." "I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
I think Bob Barr is useful in that when having conversations with stupid pro- empire republicans, we can point to a 'mainstream' GOPer who, in his rhetoric at least, opposes the encroaching tyrany. Pat buchanan is another sack who most idiots know who he is... 'a long time credible republican against the war'.
Don't try to argue with the stupid. People who were in the GOP and saw the light before now (for purposes of disclosure, that would be me) have already bailed on the party. They were merely ignorant. Nothing wrong with that. We're all ignorant at one point or another. Those who are left in the GOP are stupid. Ignorance is correctable but "stupid" means forever.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
On what authority can they tell us not to talk on phones?
Promoting the general welfare? It's for the children!
Uh, no I got it, interstate commerce clause!!!
Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions. James Madison
There is more than one flavor of libertarian, and there is no ideological purity test to be a libertarian.
For myself I am what is called a Paleolibertarian (Paleocon on some issues - or "Minarchist" courtesy of my anarchist friends) and I see no problem with Barr holding "impure" positions. I don't agree with him on some issues but he has come a long ways in just a few years from a conservative GOPer to a newly minted supporter of the Constitution.
It should be obvious to all intelligent adults (sorry to leave you out FReeptards) that the GOP does not stand in support of the Constitution. If Bob Barr is willing to then Bully!
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I see no problem with someone being A Pro life /anti-abortion libertarian, for the defense of the innocent and of all life is perfectly in line with liberty. check out libertarians for life. http://l4l.org
Ron Paul is a pro life libertarian (who runs as a Republican because not enough people have woken up to the fraud that is the "two party that is actually one party" system).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
I'd like to know how Michael Badnarik , libertarian presidential candidate of 2004, can support Bob Barr, if he does, when badnarik constantly criticizes the patriot act and drug war.
i doubt that Badnarik does support Barr. he's like RP, i'm betting, and won't endorse Barr, like RP won't endorse mcCain.