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Title: Obama and McCain, the same?
Source: LA Times
URL Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/printed ... ain8-2008jun08,0,3502370.story
Published: Jun 8, 2008
Author: Editorial
Post Date: 2008-06-09 08:01:52 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 154
Comments: 11

Obama and McCain, the same? Not quite. But here are their surprising policy overlaps. June 8, 2008

It has been a refrain during the exhausting battle for the Democratic presidential nomination that once Hillary Rodham Clinton or Barack Obama emerged as the party's choice, we could finally dispense with the personality battles and get down to nitty-gritty policy differences. Indeed, now that Obama seems to have the position locked up, he and presumptive Republican nominee John McCain will have plenty to argue about. But some might be surprised at the breadth of issues on which they largely agree.

On McCain's side, this is understandable. With a Republican president experiencing some of the worst approval ratings ever, it's no shock that the party opted for an unusually centrist candidate. Yet Obama, too, represents a break from Democratic orthodoxy and is reaching out to the middle. This could indicate that on certain policies, something like a national consensus is developing. It at least signals a lessening of the partisan divide that has blocked progress on important changes.

Here are the biggest plots of common ground:

* National security. Surprisingly, given McCain's reputation as a hawk and Obama's as a peacenik, they don't differ much in their ideas about how best to protect the country. Both want to increase the size of the military and provide more training and equipment. Both oppose the use of torture as an interrogation technique, and both would like to close the Guantanamo Bay detention center.

* Immigration. Lately, McCain has been trying to shore up conservative support by backing away from bills he cosponsored in 2005 and 2006, which would create a guest worker program and provide a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants; now he says he'd focus on securing the border first. Yet that doesn't stop him from touting his immigration reforms when visiting states like California, with high populations of Latino voters and many companies that employ immigrants. Obama backs identical goals.

* Environment. The differences between the two on the environment tend to be a matter of degree. They support the same policies, but in general Obama wants tougher (and costlier) regulation. Both want to create a cap-and-trade program for greenhouse gases -- Obama's would reduce them to 80% below 1990 levels by 2050, while McCain's would cut them by 60%. Both want more energy-efficiency programs and renewable energy, though Obama would spend more to get them. McCain is a big proponent of nuclear power, an issue Obama has largely avoided thus far.

* Social issues. Of the three biggest issues of the day -- abortion, same-sex marriage and embryonic stem-cell research -- Obama and McCain agree on two. That is, both oppose a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage, and both would like to eliminate restrictions on federal funding for stem-cell studies. McCain, though, is an outspoken abortion opponent who wants to see Roe vs. Wade overturned and would appoint Supreme Court justices who share that view. Obama is pro-choice.

The two candidates disagree more often than they agree, and are poles apart on Iraq, taxation, international trade, healthcare and gun control, to name just a few issues. Yet there is common ground even in areas of opposition. On foreign policy, much has been made over their dispute about negotiating directly with rogue states like Iran. Yet nuclear nonproliferation is a top foreign policy priority for both. They have different plans to solve the mortgage crisis, but both favor government assistance to help people stay in their homes.

Some might complain that this means voters will have little to choose between in November. We say: Welcome to the middle, candidates. We hope you stick around here once you're in office, unlike the White House's current occupant.

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#1. To: All (#0)

It's interesting that some of the Obama critics seem to be suggesting that there is little or no significant difference between Obama and McCain while, at the same time, claiming that Obama is the most leftist (an extreme communist/racist) candidate that ever sought the US presidency. Either view is worth defending but anyone holding them both is not to be taken seriously because, if there was no difference between Obama and McCain and Obama was an extreme leftist/communist/racist then one would have to offer proof that so is McCain.

I am posting this article because I hope that it may ignite some fact-based, interesting discussion. I am not interested in Obama's neighbors book-reading habits or on what his former or current pastors are having for dinner on Friday nights but I can see how such items may get some hysterically excited.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-06-09   8:08:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)

McCain v Obama

Charlie Reese made a strong point this morning, one many here have been making for months - as posted by Ada

-Snip

I've been leery of Sen. McCain because he seems inclined to bomb Iran. However, now that Obama has sold out to the Israeli lobby, that's a moot point. Furthermore, there is not a stupid idea about gun control that Obama hasn't supported either verbally or with his vote.

The Second Amendment was not written for duck hunters. It was written for self- defense and for defense against tyranny. Obama ought to talk to some of the people who survived the civil-rights revolution about how they stayed up all night with their private firearms to protect their families. He ought to research the old Jim Crow laws, which banned blacks from owning certain kinds of firearms.

If my choice is between a guy who may bomb Iran and one who shows such contempt for the Constitution as to support gun control, then the Iranians need to start working on their bomb shelters. A man ignorant of or contemptuous of the Second Amendment cannot be trusted to obey any of the Bill of Rights. He cannot be trusted to appoint sensible judges. Americans need to send a clear message to all politicians that our rights are non-negotiable.

If people think the Second Amendment is archaic, then try to repeal it. Until then, it is as binding as the rest of the Constitution and must be respected.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-09   8:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

Excellent post. His various votes in favor of gun grabbers and against gun owners prove that Obama is unworthy of consideration for the job he seeks. Neither is McCain but then I knew that out of all the people running the only one of them worth voting for was Ron Paul. I believe everyone else running were all people who could be controlled and most, if not all of whom were owned, lock, stock and barrel by the establishment and they would have been happy with any of them. Once again the scum rose to the top just as it does every (s)election.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-09   9:36:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: James Deffenbach (#3)

only one of them worth voting for was Ron Paul.

Our two party system relies on honesty to be competitive. In theory, there should be a sharp contrast bet. two candidates. Opposing views could then be weighed and intelligent decisions then made. For many years now, the Rs and Ds have both moved in tandem to the left, leaving virtually no distinction between the actors. With this debacle - Obama v McCain - the only difference I see is in domestic policy. With both being unacceptable, McCain is slightly less appalling in the tax, gun issue. We'll need both more money and guns with whoever ascends to the throne. And the real irony; There would be no such candidates were it not for voters who insist it's their civic duty to choose one POS over the other. Yep, I'll be sitting this one out again :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-09   10:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

Yep, I'll be sitting this one out again :P

The voters have voted for more war, more oppressive big government and they will have both.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-06-09   10:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#5)

The voters have voted for more war, more oppressive big government and they will have both.

And some folks presented themselves as liberty lovers, pre Obama. Hypocrites.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-09   11:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

* Immigration. Lately, McCain has been trying to shore up conservative support by backing away from bills he cosponsored in 2005 and 2006, which would create a guest worker program and provide a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants; now he says he'd focus on securing the border first. Yet that doesn't stop him from touting his immigration reforms when visiting states like California, with high populations of Latino voters and many companies that employ immigrants. Obama backs identical goals

This is the principal reason why I'd never vote for either McCain or Obama, any more than I would have voted for Bush and Gore. And the only remaining reason to consider voting for one candidate over another (foreign policy) disappeared after Obama's AIPAC grovel.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-06-09   11:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

McCain, though, is an outspoken abortion opponent who wants to see Roe vs. Wade overturned and would appoint Supreme Court justices who share that view.

www.nrlc.org/news/1999/N RL999/mccain.html

McCain Makes Conflicting Statements on Abortion

By NRLC Federal Legislative Office

WASHINGTON (Sept. 13) - Senator John McCain (R-Az.), a leading contender for the Republican nomination for President, said on August 19, "Certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade," the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion on demand.

After NRLC and others voiced sharp objections, McCain shifted his ground somewhat, saying that if elected President, he would "work toward" the overturning of Roe. But McCain's "clarifying" statements have been murky, and have raised more questions than they answered.

The current controversy began with statements by McCain reported in two different publications. The first of these appeared in the August 21 edition of the evangelical news magazine World, which reported in a profile of McCain:

"Though he [McCain] insists he, personally, is 'morally pro-life,' he said he would try to ensure that no voter felt 'excluded' from the GOP. 'I would not seek to overturn Roe vs. Wade tomorrow,' he continued, because doing so would endanger the lives of women. He . . . said he wants to change hearts on the abortion issue before changing any laws."

About the same time that magazine reached subscribers, on August 19, McCain was interviewed by the editorial board of the San Francisco Chronicle. McCain again expressed opposition to reversing Roe, and offered a more detail rationale for that position. McCain's statement, as published in the paper's August 20 edition, was as follows:

"I'd love to see a point where it [Roe v. Wade] is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to (undergo) illegal and dangerous operations."

NRLC Executive Director David N. O'Steen, Ph.D., commented, "In contending that legal abortion is 'necessary' and that Roe v. Wade should not be overturned because it would 'force' women to undergo dangerous illegal abortions, McCain parroted arguments of the pro-abortion movement. A candidate who argues that legal abortion is 'necessary' is not a pro-life candidate."

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-06-09   16:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

And the real irony; There would be no such candidates were it not for voters who insist it's their civic duty to choose one POS over the other.

You nailed that one. Just like I told one of them you can begin the process of voting against them by refusing to vote FOR them. I am afraid that simple concepts like that just fly right over the heads of some people.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-09   16:33:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: James Deffenbach (#9)

Just like I told one of them you can begin the process of voting against them by refusing to vote FOR them

true. It's a presumptive of some to assume poor voter participation is related to apathy. I think a large portion of non voters are making an informed decision to stay home.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-09   16:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

I think a large portion of non voters are making an informed decision to stay home.

While it probably is apathy with some people I think a lot of it is people who have finally figured out their scam and are flipping them off.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-06-09   17:23:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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