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Title: Is Obama's candidacy constitutional? Secrecy over birth certificate, demand for 'natural-born' citizenship cited
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URL Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=66787
Published: Jun 12, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-06-12 11:38:07 by christine
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Bloggers are raising questions about Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's qualifications to be U.S. president, because of the secrecy over his birth certificate and the requirement presidents be "natural-born" U.S. citizens. Jim Geraghty, reporting on the Campaign Spot, a National Review blog, cited the "unlikely" but still circulating rumor that Obama was born not within the United States, but elsewhere, possibly Kenya. Geraghty defined the concerns most clearly, stating: "If Obama were born outside the United States, one could argue that he would not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen … because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for '10 years, at least [f]ive of which had to be after the age of 16.'" He then points out Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, was 18 when Obama was born "so she wouldn't have met the requirement of five years after the age of 16." Geraghty continues: " (Interestingly, apparently there isn't much paperwork on Obama's parents' marriage. 'Obama: From Promise to Power,' page. 27: 'Obama later confessed that he never searched for the government documents on the marriage, although Madelyn (Obama's maternal grandmother) insisted they were legally married.' Also note that Obama's father apparently was not legally divorced from his first wife back in Kenya at the time, a point of contention that ultimately led to their separation.)" The reports released to date show Obama was born in Honolulu to Barack Hussein Obama Sr., of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, of Wichita, Kan. According to FindLaw.com, which is cited by Geraghty, the requirements that were in force from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986, encompassing the time of Obama's birth, state, "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." Obama's father, a student sent to the United States from Africa, lived several places in the United States while attending class. He then returned to his homeland. Obama's mother later married another man and moved to Indonesia. Geraghty said the Obama campaign could "debunk" the rumors about his birth simply by releasing a copy of his birth certificate, but the campaign has so far chosen not to do that. "The campaign cited the birth certificate in their 'Fact Check' on William Ayers, so presumably, someone in the campaign has access to it," he said. Hawaii doesn't make public information from birth certificates. "If the concern of the Obama campaign is that the certificate includes his Social Security number or some other data that could be useful to identity thieves, that information could easily be blocked out and the rest released. (Although I wonder if identity thieves would find Obama a tougher than usual target, since using the name on purchases would almost inevitably bring closer scrutiny.)," Geraghty said. The Obama campaign repeatedly has declined to respond to WND requests for comment.
Poster Comment: There was some discussion about this on another thread last night. It probably doesn't matter since the constitution is considered by most of those in government as "just a GD'd piece of paper."
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#1. To: christine (#0)
McCain was born in the Canal Zone. Maybe both should be disqualified and then we'll start over. Or maybe we'll be down to a race between Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin, which Barr will win because he'll be on so many more ballots.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
That would be just too funny! It's like a ultimate 3 Stooges short, where things are OK at the beginning, but goes downhill fast. obama gets disqualified, hitlery gets the nomination after dropping this October Surprise, mcnuts also gets disqualified, riots in Denver and Minneapolis, people go apeshit. This would be better than wrestlemania!
thanks for posting this...as I said before, if true, this may open the way for Gov Arnold.
McCain was born on a US Military Base and according to US Law, that makes him a Natural Born Citizen. Barry Goldwater had the same issue pop up in 1964 because when he was born in Arizona, Arizona was known as the "Arizona Territory". It is doubtful many people here would seek to deny Goldwater if he were running today especially with his 'I intend to reduce its size' attitude toward the FedGov. As an aside, Congress passed a special law re-declaring McCain to be a Natural Born Citizen so that argument has been mooted.
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Obama's bro.
Obama’s Brother in China By ROGER COHEN Published: March 17, 2008 Roger Cohen So there I was, a couple of weeks back, sitting under a mango tree in western Kenya, when Senator Barack Obama’s half-sister Auma says to me: “My daughter’s father is British. My mom’s brother is married to a Russian. I have a brother in China engaged to a Chinese woman.” My understanding is that this half brother living in China is Mark. He’s the son of Obama’s father and an American woman named Ruth, whom Obama Sr. met while at Harvard in the 1960s and brought back to Kenya. That was after his marriage with Obama’s mother in Hawaii ended. Another son from the union with Ruth, called David, was killed in a motorcycle accident. In all, Obama Sr. fathered eight children by four women. I’ve been thinking about this because not enough has been written about Obama’s family. As Auma suggested, it’s unusual in the extent of its continent- crossing, religion-melding, color-fusing richness. But the Benetton-ad family is less unusual than it may seem. This is the age of globalized, far-flung families. Remittances make the world go round. More needs to be written because if Obama gets the Democratic nomination, you know the Republican attack machine, through innuendo and otherwise, will go after his identity, just as it went after Senator John Kerry’s in 2004. The difference is that Obama is much more certain and coherent about who he is than Kerry was. He has built his identity in a shifting world; that resonates with a lot of Americans. His radical Chicago pastor contributed to that journey. Now Obama has grown beyond him. I have no problem with that. But you can already see the headlines: Obama has brother in China! You can hear the whisperings about a polygamous father. That not enough has been written about his family is strange in that Obama himself devoted a remarkable book, “Dreams From My Father,” to his quest to fill the void left by an absent Dad. As Auma said to me: “He was trying to figure out who he was. He needed to be whole to be able to do what he’s doing now. He went about it the right way. A big chunk of his life was missing. It’s very healthy that he now knows he has these roots here.” Those roots were discovered during Obama’s first visit to Kenya two decades ago. During that trip, as recounted in his memoir, he encountered Ruth in Nairobi. She is described as “a white woman with a long jaw and graying hair.” But who is Ruth, a woman who divorced Obama’s father, remarried, and gave the family name of her second husband to her two sons by Obama Sr.? In the book she says, with less than exquisite tact, to Barack Obama: “But your mother remarried. I wonder why she had you keep your name?” As for Ruth’s son, and Obama’s half brother, Mark, the one in China, he’s described as studying physics at Stanford in the 1980s. “The things Mark studies are so complicated only a handful of people really understand it at all,” Ruth enthuses. But Mark, “a black man of my height and complexion,” tells Obama his work’s a breeze. He expresses limited interest in their shared father who died in 1982 at 46: “Life’s hard enough without all the excess baggage,” he muses. If nominated, Obama’s family baggage will get pored over. Four years ago, Bush’s people cast Kerry as un-American for speaking French. A Republican camp campaigning at the sorry nadir of Bush’s handiwork will try to portray the war hero John McCain as more American and patriotic than his opponent. But things are different. Less fearful, Americans are less willing to be manipulated. They’ve backed Obama this far in part because they’re sick of the narrow American exceptionalism of Bush’s divisive rule. Never before have U.S. fortunes been so tied to the world’s. Americans see that. When your mortgage is packaged into some ingenious security that’s sold to a German bank before the scheme unravels and you lose your house, the globe looks smaller. With some 30 percent of the revenue of U.S. corporations coming from overseas, and the Chinese buying American debt, and more than seven million people naturalized in the past decade, it’s harder to separate America’s fate from that of others. Isolationism is not merely wrong, it’s impossible. If elected, Obama would be the first genuinely 21st-century leader. The China- Indonesia-Kenya-Britain-Hawaii web mirrors a world in flux. In Kenya, his uncle Sayid, a Muslim, told me: “My Islam is a hybrid, a mix of elements, including my Christian schooling and even some African ways. Many values have dissolved in me.” Obama’s bridge-building instincts come from somewhere. They are rooted and proven. For an expectant and often alienated world, they are of central significance.
The American version of Nelson Mandela is on a roll and the MSM will keep him rolling until he plops his mulatto-ass down in the Oval Office. The questions about his qualifications to be POTUS are "back-channel chatter" according to the New York/D.C. MSM cabal.
I see this week in enlightened Africa that they burned some female to death.
I can see Michelle as Winnie Mandela, taking delight in the fine art of necklessing.
Rumor has it that Michelle majored in head shrinking, a nearly lost art, except in Africa.
We're gonna need a diagram to follow Obama's dad exploits.
a diagram to follow Obama's dad exploits. here you go:
that crowd in the picture isn't going to like it much when he tells them they can't eat all they want.........
There! In the back right. Skinheads for Barack.
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
want......... Good one. LOL.
uh, no. The fact that McCain and Obama are the presumptive nominees proves that most Americans are very ignorant. Not necessarily stupid but ignorant. Some of them, maybe most of them, could overcome it assuming they want to know. But those who don't, the ones who are willfully ignorant and don't want to know are also stupid. While ignorance can be cured through education, stupidity is forever.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. birth certificate without seal being offered on daily KOS http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
That's gonna make one hell of a family picture. Barack Hussein Dunham Obama Soetero. Ruth certainly doesn't use tact, good for her.
All hail to the chief, the bastard of a drunken lothario. I believe because he has a Kenyan Father he has Kenyan citizenship.
Thanks for the laugh :P
I'll take your word for it. I can see you're one of his biggest fans. I think another qualification is that you still be alive and I'm wondering about him on that score as well.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Hardly. I won't be voting for him, but I know what the facts are and as far as knocking McCain out of the race using the "Natural Born Citizen" argument - its a dead argument. No need wasting time on something that won't fly.
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What do you think? Do you think this is true? THIS IS SERIOUS STUFF....... IF NOT MANAGED CORRECTLY OUR ELECTIONS COULD FALL UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE U-N... Obama refuses to release his birth certificate, and for some reason it is not on file in Hawaii, so this is interesting. SOME TIME AGO HILARY SAID SHE HAD SOMETHING ON OBAMA THAT WOULD CHANGE THE ELECTION AND THAT'S WHY SHE ONLY SUSPENDED HER QUEST FOR THE PRESIDENCY, WELL THIS MIGHT BE THE REASON. This came from a USNA alumnus. It'll be interesting to see how the media handles this... Barack Obama is not a legal U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between December 24, 1952, to November 13, 1986. Federal Law requires that the office of President requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents. This is what exempts John McCain, though he was born in the US Panama Canal Zone. US Law very clearly states: '. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one's birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.' Barack Obama's father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact. Obama's mother was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama's birth, but-after-age-16.. In essence, Mother alone is not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, 2 years elapsed from his mother turning 16 to the time of Barack Obama's birth when she was 18. His mother would have needed to have been 16 + 5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama's birth for him to be a natural-born citizen. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at the time his mother would have needed to be to allow him natural citiz enship from his only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama should have been naturalized as a citizen . . . but that would disqualify him from holding the office. The Constitution clearly declares: Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, any other information does not matter because his mother is the one who must fulfill the requirement to be a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the USA for some time frame to protect any citizenship he might have had, rather than living in Indonesia. This is very clear cut and a glaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Governor Schwarzenegger of California should be very interested in discovering if Obama is allowed to be elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, since this would set a precedent. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days. "
Is Barack Obama a US citizen? Yes.
Proof Barack Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery
#2. To: Sam Houston, All (#1)
#3. To: christine (#0)
#4. To: Sam Houston (#1)
#5. To: All (#0)
#6. To: Obama's roots (#5)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/opinion/29cohen.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
#7. To: christine (#0)
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#8. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
My Islam is a hybrid, a mix of elements, including my Christian schooling and even some African ways.
#9. To: Cynicom (#8)
#10. To: Jethro Tull (#9)
#11. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
not enough has been written about Obama’s family.
#12. To: swarthyguy (#11)
#13. To: christine (#0)
#14. To: TwentyTwelve (#13)
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#15. To: TwentyTwelve (#13)
#16. To: castletrash (#14)
that crowd in the picture isn't going to like it much when he tells them they can't eat all they
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
But things are different. Less fearful, Americans are less willing to be manipulated. They’ve backed Obama this far in part because they’re sick of the narrow American exceptionalism of Bush’s divisive rule.
Lord Acton
#18. To: christine (#0)
#19. To: castletrash, Jethro_Tull (#12)
#20. To: swarthyguy (#19)
one hell of a family picture
#21. To: castletrash, food cops (#14)
that crowd in the picture isn't going to like it much when he tells them they can't eat all they want
#22. To: mirage (#4)
McCain was born on a US Military Base and according to US Law, that makes him a Natural Born Citizen.
#23. To: Sam Houston (#22)
I can see you're one of his biggest fans.
#24. To: christine, all (#0)
#25. To: castletrash (#3)
#26. To: christine (#0)
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