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Title: McCain: Guantanamo Decision One Of the Worst Ever;
Source: HuffPo
URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/ ... o-detainees-have_n_106757.html
Published: Jun 14, 2008
Author: An unrepentant fascist traitor
Post Date: 2008-06-14 10:53:24 by Arator
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Keywords: McCain, is, Insane
Views: 620
Comments: 56

McCain: Guantanamo Decision One Of the Worst Ever

June 13, 2008 03:51 PM

John McCain heightened his rhetoric about the Boumediene v. Bush decision, which grants the Guantanamo detainees to question their confinement in civilian courts:

"The Supreme Court yesterday rendered a decision which I think is one of the worst decisions in the history of this country," McCain said.

The statement met with great approval by voters at the candidate's town hall meeting:

The crowd of more than 1,000 supporters, packed into a gym at Burlington County College, exploded into applause at McCain's comments.

The presumptive GOP nominee then read from Chief Justice John Roberts' dissent, and predicted the courts would now be "flooded" with habeas corpus lawsuits.

The harsh rebuke is a sudden shift from McCain's position yesterday, when he first learned of the decision:

It obviously concerns me . . . but it is a decision the Supreme Court has made. Now we need to move forward. As you know, I always favored closing of Guantanamo Bay and I still think that we ought to do that.

In contrast, here's Senator Obama's reaction:

Senator Barack Obama:

Today's Supreme Court decision ensures that we can protect our nation and bring terrorists to justice, while also protecting our core values. The Court's decision is a rejection of the Bush Administration's attempt to create a legal black hole at Guantanamo - yet another failed policy supported by John McCain.

Poster Comment:

For those who claim that there is no difference between McCain and Obama, and that it does not matter which one is president, their reactions to the recent Gitmo decision by the Supreme Court proves otherwise.

That decision proved that we are one Supreme Court vote away from total fascist tyranny. Bush appointees Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas voted for fascism. Ford appointee Stevens, Reagan appointee Kennedy, GHW Bush appointee Souter and Clinton appointees Beyer and Ginsburg voted for the Constitution.

Three of the five non-fascist justices are expected to retire in the next president's term. It matters now more than ever that Obama be that president, not McCain.

You can't really afford to sit this one out, purist non-voters. It's time for you to reengage and vote Obama to save this Republic from totalitarian Fascist tyranny. Subscribe to *Treasonous Neocon Alert*

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Priorities my friend. I care more about the price of gas and rising food cost that the "rights" of Guantanamo detainees. The system of American justice is such that excessive bail, or no bail, effectively trumps habeas anyway. Until every American citizen is guaranteed the right of habeas, and a reasonable bail system, the Gitmo residents will have to be put on the back burner. I'm not shocked by Bush and what he does. I am shocked at the Ds, elected in '06 on the platform of change, who have done nothing about the matter. And here you are tripping over your feet for more....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-14   13:17:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I care more about the price of gas and rising food cost that the "rights" of Guantanamo detainees.

Talk about a false dichotomy. You think McCain will do anything about gas and food when the primary cause of our economic distress is the war in Iraq (and potential war with Iran) that he wants to continue (and expand)?

The system of American justice is such that excessive bail, or no bail, effectively trumps habeas anyway. Until every American citizen is guaranteed the right of habeas, and a reasonable bail system, the Gitmo residents will have to be put on the back burner.

BS. Human beings who have been rendered non-persons and subjected to systematic torture should never be put on the back burner. What on earth has happened to you, JT? Your hatred of Obama appears to have twisted you into a moral disfigurement of near neocon-esque proportions. Your willingness to have the Gitmo crimes continue, frankly, makes me sick to my stomach.

I'm not shocked by Bush and what he does.

Indeed. You are apparently quite comfortable with what he does and wouldn't mind having it continue on and become institutionalized in a successor administration, just so long as the president/tyrant/torturer/false- imprisoner/mass- murderer-in-chief continues to be "white".

Arator  posted on  2008-06-14   15:49:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You think McCain will do anything about gas and food when the primary cause of our economic distress is the war in Iraq (and potential war with Iran) that he wants to continue (and expand)?

No, the primary cause of our economic distress is the Federal Reserve System with a fiat currency which fosters this welfare/warfare state. Is Obama talking about that? If he were, he'd have my support and my vote.

You are apparently quite comfortable with what he does and wouldn't mind having it continue on and become institutionalized in a successor administration, just so long as the president/tyrant/torturer/false- imprisoner/mass- murderer-in-chief continues to be "white".

Why was it necessary for you to bring up race, yet again, in this thread where discussion of the topic at hand has nothing at all to do with Obama's race? It appears to me that you Obama people are the ones who cannot get beyond the "color" issue.

christine  posted on  2008-06-14   18:41:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why was it necessary for you to bring up race, yet again, in this thread where discussion of the topic at hand has nothing at all to do with Obama's race?

Because race is the only reason why JT, an otherwise rational and freedom- loving person, would contort himself into a neocon/McCain/Gitmo enabler, as he again made clear in his response to my outrage at his desire to put Gitmo on the back burner:

JT: Grow up, whitey. The blacks aren’t going to cut you a break if you flash them a Democrat voting card.

When it comes down to a clear choice between reempowering the neocons and fascists under a successor McCain administration and electing our first black president, JT clearly prefers the former. And then he has the unmitigated gall to call that putting "America First", which is an outrageous insult to the antiglobalization/antiwar movement.

Gitmo is not America, first, last or otherwise. It, like so much else the GOP has done in the last seven years, is completely anathema to everything this country is supposed to be about. But, apparently, JT thinks having a black president is even moreso, so he's willing to accept the continuation and possible permanent institutionalization of this abomination under a President McCain. That puts him on a different planet from me, frankly. That's an alien perspective I just can't understand. So, I can no longer view JT as I once did. He's morphed like FReepers did back in 2000, from one thing into its opposite. From pro-freedom to pro-fascism, pro-torture and pro- tyranny. If he's willing to put Gitmo on the back burner to rationalize his opposition to Barack Obama, what other fundamental American values is he willing to jettison in order to keep a black man out of the Oval Office?

Arator  posted on  2008-06-15   1:08:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/stop-abuse-and-suicides-in-pennsylvania-prisons

Sound familiar?

America first.

Stop Abuse And Suicides In Pennsylvania PrisonsTarget:The Pennsylvania

Department of Corrections, The Governor of Pennsylvania, Amnesty International, ACLU, All Human Rights Groups, Religious Leaders, The Taxpayers of Pennsylvania, And all Other people Interested WorldwideSponsored by: Doreen (Dee) Hawk HERE

To:The Pennsylvania Department of Corrections, The Governor of Pennsylvania, Amnesty International, ACLU, All Human Rights Groups, Religious Leaders, The Taxpayers of Pennsylvania, And all Other people Interested Worldwide

Several inmates in Pennsyvania have reported the high number of suicides and attempted suicides, and abuse of inmates by prison staff. Many phone calls, faxes, and letters have been written to Pennsylvania wardens and others, but nothing is being done.

This petition is to bring awareness to the high number of suicides, attempted suicides, inmate deaths, and mental and physical abuse of inmates, by prison staff in the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections.

Inmates have reported to family and friends that there has been abuse, both mentally and physically by prison staff. Inmates are held in isolation for long periods of time. There have been reports of guards spitting in inmates food. Lack of medical and psychological evaluations, sleep deprivation, and lack of nutritional food. This goes against the Constitution of America's 8th amendment which states: excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, Nor cruel and unusual punishment inflicted.

There have been several attempted suicides, and several inmates deaths by suicides, and other causes. This number is extremely high. Inmates families have proof and documentation, and will be watching this matter closely.

We the undersigned feel this matter should be investigated before there are more inmate deaths. These are prisons in the USA and not Abu Ghraib prison in Bagdad. Prisoners are not in prison to be punished, prison time is punishment enough. We demand equal and just treatments in Pennsylvania prisons.

The citizens and taxpayers of Pennsylvania should not be paying for punishment and inhumane treatment and their tax dollars should go to the rehabilitation of inmates, to provide the safe return of prisoners into their communities.To:The Pennsylvania Department of Corrections, The Governor of Pennsylvania, Amnesty International, ACLU, All Human Rights Groups, Religious Leaders, The Taxpayers of Pennsylvania, And all Other people Interested Worldwide

Several inmates in Pennsyvania have reported the high number of suicides and attempted suicides, and abuse of inmates by prison staff. Many phone calls, faxes, and letters have been written to Pennsylvania wardens and others, but nothing is being done.

This petition is to bring awareness to the high number of suicides, attempted suicides, inmate deaths, and mental and physical abuse of inmates, by prison staff in the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections.

Inmates have reported to family and friends that there has been abuse, both mentally and physically by prison staff. Inmates are held in isolation for long periods of time. There have been reports of guards spitting in inmates food. Lack of medical and psychological evaluations, sleep deprivation, and lack of nutritional food. This goes against the Constitution of America's 8th amendment which states: excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, Nor cruel and unusual punishment inflicted.

There have been several attempted suicides, and several inmates deaths by suicides, and other causes. This number is extremely high. Inmates families have proof and documentation, and will be watching this matter closely.

We the undersigned feel this matter should be investigated before there are more inmate deaths. These are prisons in the USA and not Abu Ghraib prison in Bagdad. Prisoners are not in prison to be punished, prison time is punishment enough. We demand equal and just treatments in Pennsylvania prisons.

The citizens and taxpayers of Pennsylvania should not be paying for punishment and inhumane treatment and their tax dollars should go to the rehabilitation of inmates, to provide the safe return of prisoners into their communities.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-06-15   10:00:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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