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Title: BLACK CONSERVATIVES CONFLICTED ON OBAMA CAMPAIGN
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MY WAY NEWS.COM
URL Source: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080614/D919U9JO0.html
Published: Jun 14, 2008
Author: FREDERIC J. FROMMER
Post Date: 2008-06-14 12:16:04 by rowdee
Keywords: OBAMA, BLACKS, CONSERVATIVES
Views: 242
Comments: 27
WASHINGTON (AP) - Black conservative talk show host Armstrong Williams has never voted for a Democrat for president. That could change this year with Barack Obama as the Democratic Party's nominee. "I don't necessarily like his policies; I don't like much that he advocates, but for the first time in my life, history thrusts me to really seriously think about it," Williams said. "I can honestly say I have no idea who I'm going to pull that lever for in November. And to me, that's incredible." Just as Obama has touched black Democratic voters, he has engendered conflicting emotions among black Republicans. They revel over the possibility of a black president but wrestle with the thought that Obama doesn't sit beside them ideologically. "Among black conservatives," Williams said, "they tell me privately, it would be very hard to vote against him in November." Perhaps sensing the possibility of such a shift, Republican presidential candidate John McCain has made some efforts to lure black voters. He recently told Essence magazine that he would attend the NAACP's annual convention next month, and he noted that he recently traveled to Selma, Ala., scene of seminal voting rights protests in the 1960s, and "talked about the need to include 'forgotten Americans.'" Still, McCain has a tall order in winning black votes, no doubt made taller by running against a black opponent. In 2004, blacks chose Democrat John Kerry over President Bush by an 88 percent to 11 percent margin, according to exit polls. J.C. Watts, a former Oklahoma congressman who once was part of the GOP House leadership, said he's thinking of voting for Obama. Watts said he's still a Republican, but he criticizes his party for neglecting the black community. Black Republicans, he said, have to concede that while they might not agree with Democrats on issues, at least that party reaches out to them. "And Obama highlights that even more," Watts said, adding that he expects Obama to take on issues such as poverty and urban policy. "Republicans often seem indifferent to those things." Writer and actor Joseph C. Phillips got so excited about Obama earlier this year that he started calling himself an "Obamacan" - Obama Republican. Phillips, who appeared on "The Cosby Show" as Denise Huxtable's husband, Navy Lt. Martin Kendall, said he has wavered since, but he is still thinking about voting for Obama. "I am wondering if this is the time where we get over the hump, where an Obama victory will finally, at long last, move us beyond some of the old conversations about race," Phillips said. "That possibly, just possibly, this great country can finally be forgiven for its original sin, or find some absolution." Yet Phillips, author of the book "He Talk Like a White Boy," realizes the irony of voting for a candidate based on race to get beyond race. "We have to not judge him based on his race, but on his desirability as a political candidate," he said. "And based on that, I have a lot of disagreements with him on a lot of issues. I go back and forth." Michael Steele, the Republican former lieutenant governor of Maryland who lost a Senate race there in 2006, said he is proud of Obama as a black man, but that "come November, I will do everything in my power to defeat him." Electing Obama, he said, would not automatically solve the woes of the black community. "I think people who try to put this sort of messianic mantle on Barack's nomination are a little bit misguided," he said. John McWhorter, a self-described political moderate who is a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute and a New York Sun columnist, said Obama's Democratic Party victory "proves that while there still is some racism in the United States, there is not enough to matter in any serious manner. This is a watershed moment." "Obama is probably more to the left than I would prefer on a lot of issues," he adds. "But this issue of getting past race for real is such a wedge issue for me. And he is so intelligent, and I think he would be a perfectly competent president, that I'm for him. I want him to get in because, in a way, it will put me out of a job." James T. Harris, a Milwaukee radio talk show host and public speaker, said he opposes Obama "with love in my heart." "We are of the same generation. He's African American and I'm an American of African descent. We both have lovely wives and beautiful children," Harris said. "Other than that, we've got nothing in common. I hope he loses every state." Moderate Republican Edward Brooke, who blazed his own trail in Massachusetts in 1966 as the first black popularly elected U.S. senator, said he is "extremely proud and confident and joyful" to see Obama ascend. Obama sent Brooke a signed copy of his book, inscribed, "Thank you for paving the way," and Brooke sent his own signed book to Obama, calling the presumed Democratic nominee "a worthy bearer of the torch." Brooke, who now lives in Florida, won't say which candidate will get his endorsement, but he does say that race won't be a factor in his decision. "This is the most important election in our history," Brooke said. "And with the world in the condition that it is, I think we've got to get the best person we can get." Williams, the commentator, says his 82-year-old mother, who also hasn't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate, has already made up her mind. "She is so proud of Senator Barack Obama, and she has made it clear to all of us that she's voting for him in November," Williams relates. "That is historic. Every time I call her, she asks, 'How's Obama doing?' They feel as if they are a part of this. Because she said, given the history of this country, she never thought she'd ever live to see this moment." But none of this is about race.........right! Er, left! Oh hell, just figure it out for yourself.
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#1. To: rowdee (#0)
Voting for Obama based on the color of his skin goes counter to what Dr. King preached. Aren't we supposed to judge a man based on his character?
Primary voters were at 92 per cent or over for Obama in black districts. Race has nothing to do with it. Race was an issue when the people of WV voted white.
Shhhhhhhhhh! That quotation only applies when it is THEM doin the applying. He certainly couldn't have meant for it to apply REGARDLESS of color.
Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.
I'm sure that under his breath he added "Do as I say, not as I do."
I hope Obama and McCain BOTH "lose every state." What would be funny would be for Americans to just boycott this bs en masse, just flip them a giant bird.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Unfortunately that would not include the morons at the head of the D and R ticket.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. All of that is just so much BS hype. I can recall that the world would certainly end if Roosevelt was not elected. Barnum was right.
Yes, I have made mention of that to some of the obummerites. ~(;^{)
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. In 1944 Roosevelt did not even campaign and was easily elected as the Savior from a horrible war. He died shortly thereafter and an unknown named Truman ended the war and the world did not end. The person I would love to vote for is the one that would stand up front and say...I promise you NOTHING...I will do what is best for the country...then he would sit down and shut up. All the rest is BS from professional liars.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED! Not that it really matters. I have no idea what conservative means anymore and blacks vote for the D 85% of the time anyway, so the small fraction of Armstrong William's out there are insignificant. Obama can't with with 100% of the black vote. What he needs is the vote of the liberal (I still thank that label is valid) white duped, looking for change and hope (whatever that means).
The person I would be happy to vote for, and would be very happy if others had the opportunity to vote for, is Ron Paul. He has proven over and over that he actually believes the oath he takes is binding on him. McCain and Obama have not shown that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. It does not matter. We are either Americans or we are "OTHER". Other is made up of all the people that love labels of ideology, all totally meaningless since conservative was bastardized by Bush and friends. So, American it is, the rest is of no value.
Point well taken.
True.. Being realistic tells us that a Paul election would never be allowed to happen by the system. In his speech the other night, Paul remains committed to working within the republicrat party, something I cannot understand nor abide.
When I asked people to support and vote for Ron Paul and they said they could not because they were democrats, I knew the masses were well programmed. We are rowing upstream against a strong flow, and losing ground.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED! Not that it really matters. I have no idea what conservative means anymore and blacks vote for the D 85% of the time anyway, so the small fraction of Armstrong William's out there are insignificant. Obama can't with with 100% of the black vote. What he needs is the vote of the liberal (I still thank that label is valid) white duped, looking for change and hope (whatever that means). You can dress the house negroes up in ties and tails and they are the envy of the field negroes, but, given the chance to vote black it becomes apparent that their skin is (and always was) their uniform. This is exactly why I want to see whites upset and griping about Obama. For too long whites have done nothing but grumble while America was being strip mined, and now white people will have to fight or forfeit all. As long as a white man like Clinton or Bush was dismantling the country there was no need for activism. But, let a black man try to "send the pork South" and there will be emergency meetings in Masonic lodges, GOP and FOP halls all across America! Good. And, now this whisper campaign of possible riots if Obama loses or is robbed of the presidency? For me it's like Christmas all over again! Every gathering of frightened, grumbling whites I encounter I say the same things: "Remember boys, nothing was ever solved by talking. Let's get violent!" "Hey, where all the white women at?"
I understand. What I never took into account is "late stage programming" as we're seeing now. Once self professed "patriots", who now fawn over the Democrat entry into the game, are perplexing to me. Or maybe they never had a political core? Or maybe they were always Ds? Whatever....
It does not matter. We are either Americans or we are "OTHER". Other is made up of all the people that love labels of ideology, all totally meaningless since conservative was bastardized by Bush and friends. So, American it is, the rest is of no value. WORD! At the risk of repeating myself (and saying something that no one wanted to read the first time) I believe that we're long past a point where America could be saved at the ballot box. The power has been concentrated now and there are simply no loose cannons anymore. I suppose politicians, military brass and cabinet officials who can be shuttled off to The Greenbrier Hotel to reside underground with their spouses and or mistresses have it best. And, since any nuclear detonation will likely be one of ours they'll have ample warning to prepare. And, once communications with the boomers on patrol is established the underground govt can coordinate attacks against any breakaway African, Latin, Muslim or white republics that survive and attempt to solidify control over any part of the lower 48 or Alaska. And, when the govt emerges from the mountain all tanned, rested and ready to resume govt operations the only survivors will be mutants who understand that the IRS is still with them and that "voluntary compliance" still means "Hell Yes it's mandatory, and what are you, a smartass?"
The power has been concentrated now and there are simply no loose cannons anymore. I suppose politicians, military brass and cabinet officials who can be shuttled off to The Greenbrier Hotel to reside underground with their spouses and or mistresses have it best. And, since any nuclear detonation will likely be one of ours they'll have ample warning to prepare. Word! ;)
But the dude is not black. He is an Arab-American! He is more white than he is anything! And why be proud of someone based solely on the color of their skin? Do most blacks suffer from such a inferiority complex that they must be proud of any "black" person that "wins" a so-called "prize"? Who knows may be they do. Blacks need more self-confidence and some real Christian faith it appears more than anything else.
God is always good!
Damn this guy is deluded. He must be smoking the same crap Arator is smoking. Still some racism? 92% of blacks voting for the black candidate and threatening riots if he doesn't win, and he says some racism? Obama is one of the most outright racist in American politics probably ever, and the guy says some racism? Racism is all Obama is about PERIOD. He wouldn't have been chosen by the elite if he wasn't a racist bastard. They need him to start the damn riots and implement martial law. How can people be so stupid to fall for this? Woah! Stop the presses folks! This is mind boggling stupidity. Obama intelligent? 57 state, 10,000 dead in Kansas town intelligent? Can't remember his lines without a teleprompter intelligent? Please, spare us the intelligent attribute for this clown.
God is always good!
The Black Caucus in the House of Representatives is trying to re-open the Civil War against the Cherokee Nation. How racist can one group of people possibly be?
Elect a Real Hero! John McClane for President! Yippie Ki Yay!
Who are you talking about?
Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.
Obama lies about being African-American for political purposes Because to acknowledge it is to report this devastating truth about him: Mr. Obama is not legally African-American. It is impossible for him to be, in truth, America's first African-American president. Federal law requires that to claim a minority status, you must be at least 1/8 of the descriptor, but for the sake of this article, I've converted it to a decimal fraction for easier comprehension. You must be at least 12.5% of the racial component you claim for minority status. Mr. Obama, claiming to be African-American, is half the legal threshold. Again, to let it sink in: Mr. Obama is not legally African-American. It is impossible for him to be, in truth, America's first African-American president. Yet claiming to be African-American is the soul and substance of his claim to fame. It is what he has used throughout his adult life to distinguish himself from other competitors. It is the ethnic identity he proclaims, and it is the ethnic identity he craves. Without it, he is just another mixed race Caucasian Arab with an African influence playing on his skin’s pigmentation. But no matter what he craves, no matter what he has used to propel himself through life, no matter the racist presumption of seeing his skin and without question calling him black, the hard, cold, genetically inarguable reality remains: he is not an African-American. Mr. Obama is 50% Caucasian, that from his mother. What those who want Mr. Obama to write history by becoming "America's first African-American president" ignore is that his father was ethnically Arabic, with only 1 relative ethnically African Negro - a maternal great-grandparent (Sen. Obama's great-great grandparent, thus the 6.25% ethnic contribution to the senator's ethnic composition.). That means that Mr. Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side. He is 43.75% Arabic, and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. Put another way, his father could honestly claim African-American ethnic classification. He was the last generation able to do so. Sen. Obama could honestly say, "My father was African-American." Racist presumptions led an Ivy League admissions committee, and lazy "newspapers of record" factcheckers, to presume that if his father is African-American, then Sen. Obama must be African-American also. But it doesn't work that way. Racist presumptions coupled with sloppy vetting don't turn a lie into the truth. Sen. Obama is one generation too far removed from the ethnic African Negro input to make the same claim as his father, Harvard's Admission's stamp of approval notwithstanding. As you can see for yourself, Sen. Obama's African-American ethnic claim, when properly researched and documented, is a lie. The question no one wants to answer - particularly Mr. Obama and his supporters, is, "Why do you think he has an Arabic name? Why does his father have an Arabic name? Why does every ancestor on his father's side have an Arabic name?" The answer is obvious: They have Arabic names because his father's side of the family tree is Arabic. Need proof? Research the Kenyan records for yourself. You will find that his father was officially classified as "Arab African" by the Kenyan government. God is always good!
Yeah.....having an irish name means I'm irish? Even if I wasn't born in Ireland, nor ever a citizen there? Just cause my Grandpa named my Dad an Irish name? Does Kenya list folks with names like Moishe or Ariel as Jew-Kenyan? What about Jose? Is he Latin-Kenyan? Spanish Kenyan? Mexican Kenyan? This is the stupidity of ________-American. As Cynicom said somewhere, we're American. Cyni, I ping you only because I used your name.
Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.
Respectable [Black] Conservatives ain't conservative either.
Keisha Brown, 21, from Chicago, whose mother has a nightgown with a picture of Obama on it, said, “Everything will be different now.”
When I visited Cambridge to finish my thesis, I was stopped more than once by campus security. Apparently I look like a suspicious Irishman. If you ever visit the UK, listen very carefully on the TV to the black athletes that have been raised there. They sound like American black athletes, but with an English accent. It's a hard thing to describe, you have to hear it. The similarity to American black athlete speech is what differs from white American speech, and stands out all the more for the English accent. So I think the answer to your question can be yes, but when true it may not be obvious to yourself unless you travel. N.B. Irish Americans began to lose their solidarity and sense of themselves as a people in the 1940s.
Keisha Brown, 21, from Chicago, whose mother has a nightgown with a picture of Obama on it, said, “Everything will be different now.”
Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.
James Madison
#2. To: farmfriend (#1)
#3. To: farmfriend (#1)
#4. To: farmfriend (#1)
Voting for Obama based on the color of his skin goes counter to what Dr. King preached. Aren't we supposed to judge a man based on his character
#5. To: rowdee (#0)
"We are of the same generation. He's African American and I'm an American of African descent. We both have lovely wives and beautiful children," Harris said. "Other than that, we've got nothing in common. I hope he loses every state."
Lord Acton
#6. To: all (#0)
"This is the most important election in our history," Brooke said. "And with the world in the condition that it is, I think we've got to get the best person we can get."
Lord Acton
#7. To: James Deffenbach (#6)
"This is the most important election in our history,
#8. To: Cynicom (#7)
Barnum was right.
Lord Acton
#9. To: James Deffenbach (#8)
#10. To: rowdee (#0)
"Among black conservatives," Williams said, "they tell me privately, it would be very hard to vote against him in November."
#11. To: Cynicom (#9)
The person I would love to vote for is the one that would stand up front and say...I promise you NOTHING...I will do what is best for the country...then he would sit down and shut up.
Lord Acton
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
I have no idea what conservative means anymore
#13. To: Cynicom (#12)
So, American it is, the rest is of no value.
#14. To: James Deffenbach (#11)
The person I would be happy to vote for, and would be very happy if others had the opportunity to vote for, is Ron Paul.
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
#16. To: Jethro Tull, rowdee (#10)
"Among black conservatives," Williams said, "they tell me privately, it would be very hard to vote against him in November."
#17. To: Cynicom (#15)
When I asked people to support and vote for Ron Paul and they said they could not because they were democrats, I knew the masses were well programmed.
#18. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, christine (#12)
I have no idea what conservative means anymore
#19. To: HOUNDDAWG (#18)
At the risk of repeating myself (and saying something that no one wanted to read the first time) I believe that we're long past a point where America could be saved at the ballot box.
#20. To: rowdee (#0)
Michael Steele, the Republican former lieutenant governor of Maryland who lost a Senate race there in 2006, said he is proud of Obama as a black man, but that "come November, I will do everything in my power to defeat him." Electing Obama, he said, would not automatically solve the woes of the black community.
#21. To: rowdee, Arator, *Racist 2008* (#0)
(Edited)
John McWhorter, a self-described political moderate who is a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute and a New York Sun columnist, said Obama's Democratic Party victory "proves that while there still is some racism in the United States, there is not enough to matter in any serious manner. This is a watershed moment."
"But this issue of getting past race for real is such a wedge issue for me. And he is so intelligent, and I think he would be a perfectly competent president, that I'm for him.
#22. To: HOUNDDAWG (#16)
#23. To: RickyJ (#20)
But the dude is not black. He is an Arab-American!
#24. To: rowdee (#23)
Why is the fact that Mr. Obama is only 6.25% African Negro not reported?
#25. To: RickyJ, Cynicom (#24)
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
I have no idea what conservative means anymore
#27. To: rowdee (#25)
(Edited)
Yeah.....having an irish name means I'm irish? Even if I wasn't born in Ireland, nor ever a citizen there? Just cause my Grandpa named my Dad an Irish name?
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