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Title: George W Bush meets Pope amid claims he might convert to Catholicism
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Telegraph
URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor ... ht-convert-to-Catholicism.html
Published: Jun 13, 2008
Author: Malcolm Moore in Rome
Post Date: 2008-06-15 15:23:43 by Rotara
Keywords: LOL, LOL, LOL
Views: 375
Comments: 12
George W Bush and Pope Benedict XVI have held an intimate meeting in Rome as rumours mounted in Italy that the president may follow in Tony Blair's footsteps and convert to Catholicism. The two men spoke for half an hour in the 12th century Tower of St John, a private area in the Vatican gardens which is used by the pope for private reflection. The usual protocol for heads-of-state is a meeting in the pope's library in the Apostolic Palace, but a spokesman for the Vatican said Benedict wanted to reward Mr Bush for the "warmth" of his reception at the White House earlier this year. The two men have grown increasingly close in the past two years, and Mr Bush was overheard whispering: "What an honour, what an honour, what an honour!" as he ascended the steps to the tower. After a stroll through the Vatican gardens, the men listened to a recital by the choir of the Sistine Chapel. However, Mr Bush did not, as expected, kneel in prayer before the Grotto of the Madonna of Lourdes. It was thought that he may have prayed with the pope in private. Mr Bush prayed with Benedict in the Oval Office during the Papal visit to the US in April. Several Italian newspapers cited Vatican sources suggesting that Mr Bush may be prepared to convert. One source told Il Foglio, an authoritative newspaper, that "Anything is possible, especially for a born-again Christian such as Bush." He added that while the Holy See deplored the war in Iraq, "on ethical matters he has always had a line that is practically identical to that of the Vatican." Mr Bush has spoken out against gay marriage, abortion and stem cell research. He proposed amending the US constitution to "fully protect marriage" as the "union of man and woman as husband and wife". He has repeatedly made clear his admiration for Benedict and has even claimed to have read some of the pope's theological books. A source close to the Vatican said that Mr Bush was the most "Catholic-minded" president since John F Kennedy, who famously played down his Catholicism. Mr Bush belongs to a Methodist church in Texas and prays at an Episcopal church in Washington. However, George William Rutler, a New York-based priest who is close to the president, was quoted by the Washington Post earlier this year saying that Mr Bush "is not unaware of how evangelism, by comparison with Catholicism, may seem more limited both theologically and historically". Mr Bush has filled the White House with Catholic speech-writers and consultants and is also thought to have asked a Catholic priest to bless the West Wing. Before he became president, Karl Rove, his former political adviser, invited Catholic intellectuals to Texas to lecture the candidate on the church's teachings. Mr Bush appointed the Catholic judges Samuel Alito and John Roberts to the Supreme Court. However, it is thought unlikely that Mr Bush would convert until after he has left office. Jeb Bush, the president's brother, has already converted to Catholicism. Catholics have noted that during the contested election in 2000, Jeb Bush travelled to Mexico and prayed to the icon of Our Lady of Guadelupe. His victory was announced by the Supreme Court on December 12, the feast day of the Lady of Guadelupe.
Poster Comment: George W Bush: Born again-Jew-Catholic. You can't make this stuff up. :-) 
President Bush and the Pope spoke for half an hour in the 12th century Tower of St John, usually reserved for the Pope's private reflection 
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#1. To: Rotara (#0)
youtube.com/watch? v=mKxnaMeOK20 Tard would make a great catholic. Tried to embed, but it kept turning "param" to "p*r*m". some software bug.
".....It may come as a surprise to many Catholics that the Catholic Encyclopedia officially defines the Catholic liturgy as a carryover from the Mosaic Law: “...the word liturgy...is used for the public service of the temple...the function of the priests, the ritual service of the temple... So in Christian use liturgy meant the public official service of the Church, that corresponded to the official service of the Temple in the Old Law.” After which we find a startling admission, viz., that the Mass was “a Christianized synagogue service” conducted by “learned elders”: “The Eucharist was always celebrated at the end of a service of lessons, psalms, prayers, and preaching, which was itself merely a continuation of the service of the synagogue. So we have everywhere this double function; first a synagogue service Christianized, in which the holy books were read, psalms were sung, prayers said by the bishop in the name of all (the people answering ‘Amen’ in Hebrew, as had their Jewish forefathers), and homilies, explanations of what had been read, were made by the bishop or priests, just as they had been made in the synagogues by the learned men and elders (e. g., Luke, iv, 16-27)... The likeness between the prayers of thanksgiving (ix-x) and the Jewish forms for blessing bread and wine on the Sabbath (given in the ‘Berakoth’ treatise of the Talmud; cf. Sabatier, ‘La Didache’, Paris, 1885, p. 99) points obviously to derivation from them.” Little wonder that one Jewish convert to Roman Catholicism made the astounding statement that entering the Catholic Church was not a “conversion” experience for him, but rather a continuation of Judaism. Roy Schoeman, the author of Salvation is from the Jews, confirms as well that the Mass is based on the Jewish ceremonial worship and that Catholic theology is based on the Old Testament! “As a Jew coming to the Catholic Church, it was natural for me to find the relationship between Judaism and the Catholic Church among the most interesting things in the world. It was obvious to me that for a Jew to enter the Catholic Church wasn’t a matter of conversion at all, but was rather simply coming into the fullness of Judaism — into the form that Judaism took after the coming of the Jewish Messiah. “Although Catholics are aware of this in principle, they often don’t think of the Catholic Church as the continuation of Judaism after the Messiah... It’s everywhere you look. It’s obviously in the Sacrifice of the Mass and the way the Mass is prefigured in Jewish ceremonial worship. It’s in the role that the Old Testament, Jewish Scripture have in Catholic theology and the structure of the Catholic Faith.” [Seattle Catholic] A listing of parallels between Roman Catholicism and Judaism, which have analogues in the Eastern Orthodox Church as well, presented us with the startling prospect that Roman Catholicism may have been a Judaized form of Christianity from its inception. In the list of traditions below, links to the Catholic Encyclopedia show that the Roman Catholic Church justifies most of its practices by appealing to the Old Testament. Even in cases where the New Testament is cited as justification, these practices are not required under the New Covenant but have their basis in Judaism. Priesthood / (cf. Levitical priesthood/mediators between God and men) Pope / (cf. Jewish High Priest) College of Cardinals (70) / (cf. seventy elders of Moses/Deut.17:8) Confession of sins to priest for forgiveness / (cf. Lev.5:5) Daily sacrifice of the Mass / (cf. Daily burnt offering / Heb.10:11) Altars for sacrifices Altar vessels of gold and silver Vestments for priests Cardinals’ skullcap / (cf. Jewish yarmulke) Offertory / (cf. Offerings) Church buildings for worship / (cf. Temple) Liturgy / (cf. service of the Temple) Sunday obligation / (cf. Sabbath observance) Ecclesiastical Feasts / (cf. Jewish feasts) Scapular / Hairshirt / (cf. Sackcloth) Works-based salvation / (cf. Mosaic Law) Sacrament of infant baptism / (cf. Rite of Circumcision / Talmud) Wafer-only Communion / (cf. Manna/Shew Bread) Sacrament of Confirmation / (cf. Jewish Bar/Bat Mitzvah) Burning of candles and incense / (cf. Exodus 30) Holy water font / (cf. The Laver / Exodus 40) No salvation outside the (Catholic) Church / (Gentiles must convert to Judaism to be saved) The following Roman Catholic traditions were not part of the Mosaic Law but were adopted by the Israelites in their apostasy: Traditions of men (Mark 7:6-13) Vain repetitions (Lip service (Isa.29:13) Veneration of saints (Idolatry/pagan gods) Worship of Mary as Mother of God (Jews worshipped Queen of Heaven / Jer. 44) Statues/images (images on the walls of Solomon’s Temple) (Ezek 8:10) Demotion of Jesus to Co-Redeemer / (cf. Jews’ denial of Jesus as Messiah) Preoccupation with Christ’s death rather than resurrection / (Jews’ denial of Jesus’ resurrection) The above is only a partial catalog of Jewish traditions found in Roman Catholicism. The sacerdotal (priesthood) and daily sacrificial systems alone strongly implicate the Roman Catholic Church as, not only a front for apostate Judaism, but as a vehicle for converting Christians, without their knowledge, to the very religious system that rejected Jesus Christ. One commentary compares the Roman Catholic teaching on salvation to that preached in Judaism: “The Catholic perspective on salvation is largely ‘judaized’ Christianity. In the days of the Apostles, many Jewish Christians believed that Christians had to follow all the requirements of the Mosaic Law, e.g., circumcision, the system of offerings, going to a priest to have sins forgiven, making sacrifices as atonement for sins, etc. A system that requires some type of ‘priest’ to act as an intercessor between the layperson and God is known as a sacerdotal system (from the Latin word sacerdote, meaning ‘priest’.)” In view of the striking parallels between Roman Catholicism and Judaism, it becomes apparent that Roman Catholicism represents, to a remarkable degree, the triumph of the Judaizers. How did it happen that the doctrines, rites and traditions of Judaism crept into the Church at Rome? PART II" Mystery Babylon the Great, Catholic or Jewish? "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
here you go
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Our 1st truly new world order ecumenical Preznit. ;-)
That's good stuff. I figure by this time next year Bush will be praying to Mecca 5 times daily. ;-)
LOL! Alberto Rivera How the Vatican created Islam . ... www.americanholocaust.50megs.com/The_Prophet.htm
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Blair tells Pope: Now I'm ready to become a Catholic
Bush leaves the White House, converts, and promptly gets falling-down drunk.
LOL! I find it interesting that all of the 3rd Wayers are getting on board the anti-christ faith train right at this moment.
Thanks but no thanks - Catholicism does not need yet another Tony Blair war criminal convert. One is enough. Honestly, doesn't Junior ever have an orginal idea in his head? Does he always need to imitate Handsome Tony like a love-starved puppy dog? Sheesh.
He's probably doing it so he can claim sanctuary at some point in the coming years when people go looking for his head in revenge for destroying this nation.
#2. To: Rotara (#0)
George W Bush: Born again-Jew-Catholic.
#3. To: PSUSA (#1)
Lord Acton
#4. To: PSUSA (#1)
Tard would make a great catholic.
#5. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#2)
#6. To: Rotara (#5)
I figure by this time next year Bush will be praying to Mecca 5 times daily. ;-)
#7. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, James Deffenbach, PSUSA, TwentyTwelve, Christine (#6)
#8. To: Rotara (#0)
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#9. To: X-15 (#8)
Bush leaves the White House, converts, and promptly gets falling-down drunk.
#10. To: X-15 (#8)
Bush leaves the White House, converts, and promptly gets falling-down drunk.
#11. To: scrapper2 (#10)
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#12. To: scrapper2, X-15 (#10)
Does he always need to imitate Handsome Tony like a love-starved puppy dog? Sheesh.
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