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Title: Indict Michael Reagan, Applaud Senator Karen Johnson
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URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd369.htm
Published: Jun 16, 2008
Author: Devvy Kidd
Post Date: 2008-06-16 09:24:45 by christine
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“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.” Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda It takes a lot to shock me anymore, but indeed, shock is what registered when I listened to talk show host, Michael Reagan, blast these words during the second hour of his show, June 10, 2008: Partial transcript of Reagan’s statements which can be heard here (3:12 minutes): “Excuse me folks, I'm going to say this. We ought to find the people who are doing this, take them out and shoot them. Really. You take them out, they are traitors to this country, and shoot them. You have a problem with that? Deal with it. You shoot them. You call them traitors, that's what they are, and you shoot them dead. I’ll pay for the bullets. ”Reagan adds, “How about you take Mark Dice out and put him in the middle of a firing range. Tie him to a post, don't blindfold him, let it rip and have some fun with Mark Dice.” At the end when Reagan says "...these people are just outrageous," I assume it's Reagan's engineer says, "Now you know where the Ron Paul supporters went." I don't listen to Michael Reagan's show. Like so many others, to me it's just more noise because the serious questions never get asked. The real discussions about issues like the privately owned Federal Reserve, the mis application of the federal income tax, his father's role in the cover up of what really happened to KAL Flight 007, will never happen on his show. He's just another useful fool with his partisan politics. Here and there I've seen Michael Reagan on gab fest programs like Shallow Sean Hannity (FAUX News Network) and never found him to be very intelligent. Fate dealt him a good hand when he was adopted by a popular movie star and future U.S. president. When I first listened to this segment from his show, I thought, if I said the same thing about Dick Cheney on the air, the FBI would be at my door before the next commercial break. What else can you call what Reagan specifically outlined but solicitation for murder? He's telling his listening audience to go hunt down people who question the government's version of 911 and when you find them, shoot them. Shoot them dead. This wasn't satire. Michael Reagan went so far over the line, he shouldn't just be reprimanded by his boss, he should be charged and indicted. Who is Mark Dice? I had never heard of him until this happened. It appears he's a 911 activist who has joined with others in a project to present information about 911 to the troops in Iraq. These packages going to active duty soldiers in a war zone was covered on FOX in a 5:12 minute interview with Dice and Megyn Kelly. You can watch this short video here. This is very reminiscent of what happened a long time ago which resulted in what became known as the 'Great Sedition Trial of 1944,' where the defendants were charged with trying to incite mutiny within the troops during WWII; they were not convicted. Dice has filed a report with the FBI. 911 is a very divisive issue and the raw hatred spewed by those who believe the government's version of events, whether their political loyalty is the "right" or "left" is thick as molasses in this country. Michael Reagan's soliciting the murder of Americans for exercising their First Amendment Right (not privilege) is by far and away the most extreme example to date. Americans who do take the time to investigate for themselves the credible research on this issue have found the government's version lacking, including family members who lost loved ones that day. I suppose if the "Jersey Girls" sent their DVD to the troops in Iraq (and Afghanistan), Michael Reagan would include these widows on his list of Americans to be hunted down, killed and he'll pay for the bullets. One thing I find astounding is the absolute black out of ANY media coverage on Reagan's death threats and solicitation of murder. When I submitted this column two days ago to NWVs, I had been checking all the web sites that are popular, "left" and "right": Huffington Post, Truthout.org, Drudge, Worldnetdaily, FOX, CNN, ABC, MSNBC, etc. Nothing. The exposure has been on independent Internet web sites as well as Dice's, but not a single word has been said about Michael Reagan's call to kill Americans from any "mainstream" media source. Where is the condemnation from any of the MSM and all those web sites? They didn't know about it? Bollocks! It was broadcast live to a huge listening audience. Because Reagan is the son of a former president? That does not excuse what he's done and this is not "protected speech" under the First Amendment, which I fiercely defend even if I disagree with it. A remarkable woman steps forward on 911 Senator Karen Johnson has served in the Arizona State Legislature for almost two decades. She is retiring at the end of this session. It has been my honor and privilege to know Senator Johnson. Back in April 2008, Karen was pummeled by the press in Arizona because she dared speak about 911 with some pointed observations and questions. On April 24, 2008, The Arizona-Republic, published a hit piece on her. This piece of drivel is titled, 'Drinking the 9/11 Kool-Aid.' As you can see by reading it, the author believes that no elected official should question any aspect of the Bush Administration's fairy tale of the events about September 11, 2001. This has been the prevailing attitude of the so-called mainstream media, including cable "news" networks since that day. Anyone questioning the hoax perpetrated on the American people is a Kool-Aid drinker or a traitor. On June 10, 2008, Karen gave a floor speech on 911. She reinforced that millions, not a few "Bush haters," but millions of Americans want a real investigation into 911. She did not exaggerate. I hope you will take ten minutes to watch this amazing woman do what thousands of cowards in public service won't do: Demand a real investigation into the 911 crimes. Before she began her speech, Karen made a packet of information available to every member in the senate. She sincerely and politely asked them to take the time to look at the documentation. She asked them to open their eyes. Such an entreaty was also given by Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775: "It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a paintful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous strugle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who having eyes seen not, and having ears hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth -- to know the worst and to provide for it." In Michael Reagan's eyes, this courageous woman is a traitor to this country for questioning 911 and asking for a real investigation. She explains in her speech why a new investigation is needed and it's based on facts, not conspiracy theories. If questioning our government, even during a war based on nothing but lies, is considered an act of treason and we should all be hunted down and shot, then millions of Americans, me included, are guilty. We demand the truth and we will continue to fight for the truth. Senator Karen Johnson deserves our thanks and respect. Michael Reagan deserves our contempt and jail time.
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#1. To: all (#0)
I don't disagree w/Devvy often, but I do in this instance.
Good article. If any of us had said the same thing that Reagan did, especially if it included the mention of any of the protected class, we could expect visits from nasty goons shortly. Yet he can say whatever he wants, including calling for the murder of people who have committed no crimes--unless it has become a crime to refuse to believe in obvious fairy tales--and he gets no visits from said goons.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. No but HELL no. That would be going down the same path as Reagan. We either have freedom of speech or we do not. We have already compromised "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" far too much to accommodate the PC people of this country.
You confuse freedom of speech with responsible speech need to do a little more book learning.
do you agree with Devvy that Mike Reagan should be indicted tho?
Well based on past actions ie Don Imus indictment is a little strong I would say it would well serve the network he is on to review his record over the past 8 years and make a judgment on his ability to tell the truth vs propaganda....
why not indict him. He advocated murder when speaking on a public venue. When you don't know who might be listening good sense says you moderate your speech. For instance g rated standards for tv family hours. If you don't know who's listening, maybe a gun possessing madman, you do not incite to murder. Or, if you do, then accept some responsibility for your actions.
Perhaps. When the "government" decides what is responsible speech, we have a problem. The reason being is that a small minority decides the issue for all. This Country got along very well until the government became the master and decided what was best for all. Your book learning remark is well taken as to your attitude towards others.
Don't need the gov to tell me insightment to murder is wrong. He's not advising a free and equal exchange of ideas/blows here, he wants murder.
OK...Now tell me what penalty would you assess? It has already been determined he is guilty by people here.
I'm in the business and I take my responsibility to my listeners very seriously advocating violence to achive a political outcome is sinking to the level of blacks in Africa ie In March 1992, Radio Rwanda was first used in directly promoting the killing of Tutsi in a place called Bugesera, south of the national capital. On 3 March, the radio repeatedly broadcast a communiqué supposedly sent by a human rights group based in Nairobi warning that Hutu in Bugesera would be attacked by Tutsi. Local officials built on the radio announcement to convince Hutu that they needed to protect themselves by attacking first. Led by soldiers from a nearby military base, Hutu civilians, members of the Interahamwe, a militia attached to the MRND party, and local Hutu civilians attacked and killed hundreds of thousands of Tutsi I do find it interesting that left-wing talk show hosts get yanked for saying far less than the likes of Savage and Regan!
don't have a clue, i'm sure there are penalties already in place. But let me stress that I find what he did as akin to yelling fire in a theatre.
I think Reagan's show is good mental health therapy for Reagan, and he needs to be able to let out his inner demons publicly or otherwise he'll go completely berzerk.
CT, literally hundreds of people I arrested "threatened" to kill me and my family after some altercation/arrest. I would have been laughed out of court if I tacked on charges (I wouldn't even know the applicable charge). And since a ham sandwich can be indicted, it's important to remember that intent is needed for conviction. Devvy jumps right to conviction w/o mentioning this. Along with intent comes means. In this case MR would need the ability and authority to assemble a firing sq. MR had neither intent nor the the means to accomplish the deed. The case ends there, IMO. Since anybody can sue anyone for anything, Dice should hire a shyster and make hay of the issue that way. In the long run that would send more shivers down the backs of both the station and MR than some threat of criminal charge(s).
Regan is much like many who have supported killing but have never been in the position of pulling a trigger and then living with the consequences he strikes me as having the symptom of many American males who have become so "pussy whipped" over the years that the only last male thing left to redeem themselves is being overtly macho at the same time taking huge amounts of Viagra just so they can get it up PS....As for the pro-life label he wraps around himself like other pro-lifers that support war/killing he is a total hypocrite
See, i disagree (surprise!) Reagan certainly makes his intent clear. And as all cowards, uses a public venue . This makes the difference. He incites those with the balls and the means, having neither himself. : ) I had to edit, i'm not being clear. This is irresponsible speech, equal to yelling fire in a theatre, and as such has already been determined to be unacceptable to a moral society.
They're probably secret lovers anyway. Mark and Mike could have been Marking and Miking each other all weekend, for all we know. Maybe he'll be made a co- host of the show. The Mark and Mike Show. It's California, it has a ring to it. They could adopt a kid and name him Andrew Dice Reagan.
I heard his words but they hit me as blovation.
People are free to listen to whomever they desire. With that comes the freedom to speak ones own mind, regardless of offense. We have already started down that path with our "hate speech", forced upon the majority by a small minority. Allowing the government to decide what is acceptable and what is not is best illustrated by one of the very first laws promulgated by the Jews in Russia, post 1918, making spoken or written anti-semitism a felony, punishable by hanging. And hang they did, untold numbers of the majority were hung by a tiny minority.
I wasn't worried about you shooting me. You weren't the armed madman I pictured. There are slavering empty headed neocon groupies out there that would love to take pot shots at 911 truthers, especially if they could do it without consequence.
If anyone decides to hang Mike Reagan, I'll buy the rope. -end sarcasm- ~#^/
Recall the olde saying...First they came for Mike Reagan, I applauded, then they came for ME.....
Don't mix up advocating violence with freedom of speech I agree with you that the soon to be passed "hate speech" legislation meets your "forced upon the majority by a small minority" however as one who speaks out about the effects of"zionism" both Jewish and Christian my experience is one tends to attract more bees with honey as opposed to vinegar
Once again you are willing to have the government decide which is which. You are either for freedom of speech or total government control, we cannot have both. I am well olde enough to remember this would have been a discussion of scorn by all Americans. Now people are willing to take this away, and take that away, let others decide what is free speech and what is violence. The extreme has been with us for some time, to threaten the life of the President is illegal but the reverse is NOT true. He may say anything he likes with no recourse. Erosion of free speech goes steadily on, day after day, because too many people are willing to do away with this or that speech that offends them. When Reagan shoots whomever, actually does the deed then the government is involved. Squelching his free speech does not stop him from shooting anyone. Presidents are sitting ducks, always, but look how many come under the gun.
In no way am I saying that and my history in radio proves this...I have been taken to task by many governments for what I have spoken about including getting a visit by the FBI after the OKC affair...it is my responsibility as someone with megaphone in the public square to inform my listeners about daily events in truthful manner without having to resort to gutter politics....talking about killing ones political enemies is the thing we expect from the likes of Robert Mugabe not an alleged enlightened white guy
They've 'been coming' for us for years. You're on the Red List too I'm sure. ;-)
I don't see where all the sudden its one or the other. Society governs speech in many ways. Ever tell a teacher to go to hell? How'd your mom Take it when you sassed her? Do you really tell your boss what you think? Some thoughts need to be censored, expressed only in proper venues and if not than you accept responsibility.
Society governs speech in many ways. Ever tell a teacher to go to hell? How'd your mom Take it when you sassed her? Do you really tell your boss what you think? Some thoughts need to be censored, expressed only in proper venues and if not than you accept responsibility. It has always been..Freedom of Speech...slowly but surely the people themselves found JUST CAUSE to give it away, a piece at a time. One is either for it or not. "Society governs speech in many ways. Ever tell a teacher to go to hell? Saw it and heard it happen many times in the 1930s/40. One took a swing at a teacher, teacher decked him, no cops, no law, nothing. He was expelled for three days. " How'd your mom Take it when you sassed her? She smacked me a good one aside the melon, no cops, nothing. That was BEFORE the goodie two shoes decided parents had no rights, remember? " Do you really tell your boss what you think? DID many times and people still do, not yet illegal but soon will be if people keep on giving.
Evidently the impotent little whine-asses in this country aren't going to let this go until the 1st Amendment is stomped as dead as that baby on the side of the road. For Christ sakes, he was just talking shit, nobody was hurt or killed. The idiots are playing right into the government's hand.
Amen... When words become weapons of violence as defined by the "government" we are all in deep trouble. One day we will wake up with NO free speech and wonder where it went and who took it.
Don't be ridiculous. The government is practically the one making the threats. Reagan should be permanently shit-canned, banned from radio, but that's unlikely to happen. The reason for that is because this country is governed by the rule of ZOG and ZOGbot Reagan's programmed for carrying ZOG's water here. Besides, zionists enjoy issuing death threats, and following through on them, too much to be stopping now. So, the classic ZOG-plant move here or elsewhere would be to sucker people into making death threats by suggesting that death threats are not designed to shut people up permanently. ZOGdog Reagan's only worry might be if ZOG, through the FCC, decides they want to pretend they aren't ZOG for a while, in which case some offical ZOGbots most likely would be able to secretly assure him beforehand that it's all for show and he's not really in trouble. Of course that's probably what they told Tim Osman...
Michael Reagan must be allowed to practice his First Amendment right to free speech, especially because so many people think it should be banned. I, personally, would like to see many federal judges and members of congress stood up against a wall and shot for treason, that's MY free speech*. *AttnJBT's:Theaboveshouldnotbetakenasanactualthreatagainstpersonslivingordeadsee myattorneySolomonGoldbergifyoudisagreehehateseverybodyandwillsueyourpantsoffifyo uharassme.
Fine with me, except if you reread the article, there is a call for arrest, indictment and jail for running his mouth. We wither protect free speech or we do not.
All the FCC can do is fine his employer and take him off the air. People are already saying it's not a credible threat, which would be a decisive issue from the criminal law viewpoint if accepted, but not decisive to the FCC, theoretically, because they have additional licensing-type standards.
Many years ago Claire Wolfe said ...America's at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.....and World Net Daily dropped her in a heart beat...this is her last known web page
This country has 2.3 million people in prison at present time. If we start incarcerating people for running off at the mouth, I and a lot of others will be doing hard time.
This country was born of a Revolution, lacking such again or another Civil War, Americans will not complain when freedom is gone.
I suppose. I think he left it ambiguous enough to include an execution by the government, including mentioning a "firing line." It's still indecent, though (except to zionists, of course), and as others have noted there is nothing stopping a lunatic from listening to him.
Hate to break this to you...like me you have lost your country however getting your America back will be a lot easier than getting my Rhodesia back...
Being a realist, you and I both know that we will never get either country back. World chaos will prevent that.
Having never listened to the man, I know little about him and now after this, care even less to know. There comes a time when we MUST suffer fools, for our own long term sake, not for theirs.
He said he would pay for the bullets to kill 9/11 truthers. Yes, that is WAY over the line. He has freedom of speech alright, but he doesn't have freedom from the consequences of that speech.
God is always good!
If the FCC lets it slide, then it's a new and wonderful day for free speech in America. I look forward to the outcome. I would like to buy a lot of rope and bullets to disperse amongst fellow America firsters myself, then tell the global socialist neocon bastards that have it coming exactly what to expect. ;-)
I thought I got some solid comedy material out of it. You didn't like my "Mark and Mike Show" suggestion on the other thread? They're apparently both able to get into the studio on a Monday morning and knock out a show. Proof of concept.
Maybe I am jinxing the concept by discussing The Matt and Mike Show here. I have to learn to bite my tongue.
Check this one out for lost rights... http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=82295&Disp=0
Jeebus wept.
You know what they say about carpenters... They really know how to churn the teak. (bahh--dump-ump)
So, what happened? No one listened to the show? Gee, this does not seem to bode well for The Mark and Mike Show concept. Drat, I'd already worked out a color scheme, puce and peach, for the show's new logo. I hope Mark was at least able to work "Slutbucks" into the conversation.
Michael Reagan went so far over the line, he shouldn't just be reprimanded by his boss, he should be charged and indicted.
#2. To: christine (#0)
Lord Acton
#3. To: christine (#0)
Michael Reagan went so far over the line, he shouldn't just be reprimanded by his boss, he should be charged and indicted.
#4. To: Cynicom (#3)
#5. To: robnoel (#4)
#6. To: christine (#5)
#7. To: christine (#5)
#8. To: robnoel (#4)
You confuse freedom of speech with responsible speech need to do a little more book learning.
#9. To: Cynicom (#8)
When the "government" decides what is responsible speech
#10. To: castletrash (#9)
Don't need the gov to tell me insightment to murder is wrong.
#11. To: Cynicom (#8)
#12. To: Cynicom (#10)
what penalty would you assess?
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
#14. To: castletrash, all (#9)
(Edited)
#15. To: nobody (#13)
(Edited)
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
(Edited)
Along with intent comes means
#17. To: robnoel (#15)
(Edited)
#18. To: castletrash (#16)
#19. To: robnoel (#11)
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
I heard his words
#21. To: Cynicom, ALL (#19)
#22. To: Rotara (#21)
If anyone decides to hang Mike Reagan, I'll buy the rope. -end sarcasm- ~#^/
#23. To: Cynicom (#19)
#24. To: robnoel (#23)
Don't mix up advocating violence with freedom of speech
#25. To: Cynicom (#24)
Once again you are willing to have the government decide which is which.
#26. To: Cynicom (#22)
Recall the olde saying...First they came for Mike Reagan, I applauded, then they came for ME.....
#27. To: Cynicom (#24)
You are either for freedom of speech or total government control, we cannot have both.
#28. To: castletrash (#27)
I don't see where all the sudden its one or the other.
#29. To: Cynicom (#28)
#30. To: Esso (#29)
The idiots are playing right into the government's hand.
#31. To: Cynicom (#30)
(Edited)
When words become weapons of violence as defined by the "government" we are all in deep trouble.
#32. To: christine (#0)
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#33. To: nobody (#31)
Reagan should be permanently shit-canned, banned from radio, but that's unlikely to happen.
#34. To: Cynicom (#33)
(Edited)
arrest, indictment and jail
#35. To: Cynicom (#33)
#36. To: nobody (#34)
#37. To: robnoel (#35)
#38. To: Cynicom (#36)
If we start incarcerating people for running off at the mouth, I and a lot of others will be doing hard time.
#39. To: Cynicom (#37)
#40. To: robnoel (#39)
Hate to break this to you...like me you have lost your country however getting your America back will be a lot easier than getting my Rhodesia back...
#41. To: nobody (#38)
It's still indecent, though (except to zionists, of course), and as others have noted there is nothing stopping a lunatic from listening to him.
#42. To: christine (#0)
#43. To: RickyJ (#42)
(Edited)
He said he would pay for the bullets to kill 9/11 truthers. Yes, that is WAY over the line. He has freedom of speech alright, but he doesn't have freedom from the consequences of that speech.
#44. To: Cynicom (#41)
(Edited)
we MUST suffer fools
#45. To: Cynicom (#41)
#46. To: nobody (#45)
#47. To: Cynicom (#46)
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