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Published: Jun 18, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-06-18 23:07:33 by Indrid Cold
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Brainwash victims win cash claims HUNDREDS of mentally ill patients who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments by a Scottish doctor could be entitled to compensation following a landmark court ruling. Doctor Ewan Cameron, who became one of the world’s leading psychiatrists, developed techniques used by Nazi scientists to wipe out the existing personalities of people in his care. Cameron, who graduated from Glasgow University, was recruited by the CIA during the cold war while working at McGill University in Montreal, Canada. He carried out mind-control experiments using drugs such as LSD on hundreds of patients, but only 77 of them were awarded compensation. Now a landmark ruling by a Federal Court judge in Montreal will allow more than 250 former patients, whose claims were rejected, to seek compensation. Gail Kastner, who underwent electroshock treatment at a Montreal psychiatric institute in 1953, and whose claim was rejected 10 years ago, successfully appealed the judgment. Last week, Alan Stein, of Montreal law firm Stein and Stein, which represented Kastner, confirmed he was in the process of contacting former clients who could now renew their appeal. “There are about 200 people still due compensation,” he said. “This judgment should send out strong signals to the Canadian government. Those who have previously missed out should have a strong case for appealing.” Using techniques similar to those portrayed in the celebrated novel the Manchurian Candidate, it was believed that people could be brainwashed and reprogrammed to carry out specific acts. Cameron developed a range of depatterning “treatments” while director of the Allan Memorial Institute at McGill University. Patients were woken from drug-induced stupors two or three times a day for multiple electric shocks. In a specially designed “sleep room” made famous by Anne Collins’s book of the same name, Cameron placed a speaker under the patient’s pillow and relayed negative messages for 16 hours a day. Kastner was a 19-year-old honours student suffering from mild depression when she first underwent “treatment” in 1953. On returning home she sucked her thumb, demanded to be fed from a bottle, talked in a baby voice and urinated on the floor. She was ostracised by her affluent family, who were unable to cope with her changed state, and her marriage in 1955 quickly broke down due to her difficulties. Cameron, who was born in Bridge of Allan in 1901, rose to become the first president of the World Psychiatric Association. It took two decades and the persistence of Joseph Rauh, the distinguished American civil liberties lawyer, to uncover what happened and secure compensation for some of Cameron’s victims. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...313808,00.html Project Bluebird The CIA has declassified over 18,000 pages of documents on extensive mind control programs carried out since the early 1950s. Project Bluebird was approved by the director of the CIA on April 20, 1950. In a 1951 memo, Bluebird states that practical research was to be conducted to include these specific problems: *Can we create by post-H control an action contrary to an individual’s basic moral principles? *Can we in a matter of an hour, two hours, one day, etc., induce an H (hypnotic) condition in an unwilling subject to such an extent that he will perform an act for our benefit? *Could we seize a subject and in the space of an hour or two by post-H control have him crash an airplane, wreck a train, etc.? *Can we by H and SI techniques force a subject to travel long distances, commit specified acts and return to us or bring documents or materials? *Can we guarantee total amnesia under any and all conditions? *Can we “alter” a person’s personality? *Can we devise a system for making unwilling subjects into willing agents and then transfer that control to untrained agency agents in the field by use of codes or identifying signs? *How can sodium A or P or any other sleep inducing agent be best concealed in a normal or commonplace item, such as candy, cigarettes, coffee, tea, beer, medicines?Officially, Bluebird morphed into MKULTRA and was as established on 13 April 1953, at Richard Helms’ suggestion as “ultra sensitive work.” The operational wing of MKULTRA, known as MKDELTA, had as its mission to find out how to use chemical and biological weapon ingredients to alter the human mind. Originally established as a supplementary funding mechanism to the ARTICHOKE project, MKULTRA quickly grew into a mammoth undertaking that outflanked earlier mind control initiatives. The focal point of MKULTRA was the use of humans as unwitting subjects (without their knowledge or consent). The CIA sponsored numerous experiments of this kind. Regardless of a report by the CIA’s Inspector General in 1963 recommending the termination of testing on unwitting subjects, future CIA Director Richard Helms continued to advocate covert testing on the grounds that “we are less capable of staying up with the Soviet advances in this field.” On the subject of moral issues, Helms commented, “we have no answer to the moral issue.” Army doctors were actively involved in LSD testing at least until the late 1970’s. Subjects of LSD experiments included children as young as five years old, and brain electrodes were implanted in children as young as 11 years of age. Four of the CIA’s MKULTRA Subprojects were on children. Brain electrode research was also conducted independently at Harvard by Dr. Delgado’s coauthors, Drs. Vernon Mark, Frank Ervin, and William Sweet. Mark and Ervin describe implanting brain electrodes in a large number of patients at Harvard hospitals. A patient named Jennie was 14 years old when they put electrodes in her brain. In their book Violence and the Brain, photographs show 18-year old Julia smiling, angry, or pounding the wall depending on which button is being pushed on the transmitter box sending signals to her brain electrodes. The mind control doctors saw their patients as biological machines, a view which made them sub-human, and therefore easier to abuse in mind control experiments. When the deployment of Cruise missiles at American bases in the UK was at its height, women peace campaigners staged a series of highly publicized peaceful protests outside the perimeter wires. In late 1985, the women in the peace camps at Greenham Common began to experience unusual patterns of illness, ranging from severe headaches, drowsiness, menstrual bleeding at abnormal times or after the onset of menopause, to bouts of temporary paralysis and faulty speech coordination. Electronics Today magazine carried out a number of measurements, and in December 1985 published their report which concluded: “Readings taken with a wide range of signal strength meters showed marked increases in the background signal level near one of the women’s camps at a time when they claimed to be experiencing ill effects.” They noted that if the women created noise or a disturbance near the fence, the signals rose sharply. Unsuspecting assassin A declassified document dated February 10, 1954 describes an experiment of relevance to the creation of unsuspecting assassins: "Miss [whited out] was instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss [whited out] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep). Failing this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss [whited out]. She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to "kill" [whited out] for failing to awaken. Miss [whited out] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded) gun at [whited out] and then proceeded to fall into a deep sleep. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened. Miss [whited out] expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened."
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#1. To: Indrid Cold (#0)
The CIA should pay everyone who reads the local newspaper a claim.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Ever wonder if the 9/11 pilots were actually the real AIRLINE PILOTS who had been programmed in this manner, and that the "19 Arabs" are individuals that were not even on those planes, but were used simply to drum up support for war in the Middle East?
May it open Pandora's Box. The Frank Olson Project www.frankolsonproject.org/Articles/LondonMail.html www.frankolsonproject.org/Contents.html The focal point of MKULTRA was the use of humans as unwitting subjects (without their knowledge or consent).......The mind control doctors saw their patients as biological machines, a view which made them sub-human, and therefore easier to abuse in mind control experiments. When the deployment of Cruise missiles at American bases in the UK was at its height, women peace campaigners staged a series of highly publicized peaceful protests outside the perimeter wires. In late 1985, the women in the peace camps at Greenham Common began to experience unusual patterns of illness, ranging from severe headaches, drowsiness, menstrual bleeding at abnormal times or after the onset of menopause, to bouts of temporary paralysis and faulty speech coordination. Electronics Today magazine carried out a number of measurements, and in December 1985 published their report which concluded: “Readings taken with a wide range of signal strength meters showed marked increases in the background signal level near one of the women’s camps at a time when they claimed to be experiencing ill effects.” They noted that if the women created noise or a disturbance near the fence, the signals rose sharply. Did this ever stop?? ".....Covert execution is a new crime in New York and its being done by elite authorities using high tech methods of direct able microwave, covert implanting small electronic devices inside them up the nose into the frontal brain area, using directed radio beams and injections of microchips from hospitals and doctors. People get sick and die without knowing its been done to them; under the cover of Human Experimentation. Victims come from all demographics, men, women, children, including nurses, teachers, democrats, republicans, business owners, government employees, housewives, and students have complained that our own government is killing them. Senators, Congressmen, law enforcement, politicians, reporters and media have ignored thousands of letters, telephone calls and protests from these people. Many books document the subject of out in the open attacks but never on TV or in newspapers is it even mentioned. Senator John Glenn in 1997 tried to close loopholes allowing these activities and his bill failed to pass. The damage to immune system and torture as well as the psychological damage is so horrific many have committed suicide. Its been estimated that 100 million Americans are now implanted without their knowledge or permission.N.Y. has been estimated a full 10% to 20% have had their lives altered or destroyed. Symptoms are as simple at the beginning and are such as acid reflux, insomnia, waking at the same time every night, limbs jerking when going to sleep, teeth snapping together, hearing tinnitus or complex sounds, seeing blips of light, ADD, Hyperactivity, haggardness, Charlie Horses, Skin Rashes and many others www.homeland-security-join.com you to may be implanted and have symptoms that seem very ordinary but nevertheless they are caused by radio frequency energy. People have been swept electronically and found to have implanted devices in their bodies confirmed by x-ray or other medical scans; advances in materials that are used to make the more modern implants are plastic and are invisible to medical scans, such devices are installed in the forehead and look like a thread located near the frontal lobe of the brain in CAT scans. Covert agency activities are illegally destroying the health and business’s of millions of Americans attacked for reasons as simple as the fact that they were living near one of their operatives and it was convenient to use it due only to that issue. It may be your body is being subjected to government termination experiments shrouded in doublespeak as "Harassment Exercises" people across all demo graphic’s are reporting being attacked. You may have been implanted and not believe it and now even after reading this warning be in denial. Pay attention now at a critical time when its been estimated that a further program of indoctrination of an additional 30 million operatives is being implemented. In this age of blatant censorship of the news this is the biggest secret on the planet, and the largest danger we face today. A Federal Court complaint was dismissed unfairly for one of the women in the metro area who has been implanted with several devices, one in the forehead , and in each arm there appears to be neural stimulators emitting heat to cause extreme pain and apparent devices in the abdomen, she also has a scar in the shape of a cross behind the ear where we expect there is a middle ear cochlea transceiver installed. She is being covertly tortured. It is happening and I implore you for the sake of your family to help stop this crime. Without arresting you and dragging you away they kill you without your knowing its happening, in your own home. Ordinary citizens of New York please take a hand in the effort, so far all professionals and attorney's have ignored all pleas for help and as an example search the net ( MKULTRA) if this is allowed to continue right in our own home's under obscure secret legislation we are doomed. My name is John and I have also been attacked with these devices just as I was finishing my paperwork with the SEC for my company to sell stock to the public. I was stopped cold from filing and turned all my attention to investigate this devastating activity since 1999. For more information Call John at 631 360-1557 www.homeland-security-join.com particularly the link at the bottom to "Other Web Sites Like This". Please help! Yours Truly John Mecca, Author & Inventor. ......" "....Below are a few of the U.S. Laws allow experimenting on public, problem is that like all government activities incredible abuse of power occurs, in this case they are incapacitating and killing U.S. citizens including children. Learn why doctors cannot or will not diagnose. Learn why media refuses to cover the story. Learn how and who spawned the activity. Learn what those in control plan. Learn why authorities are silent about it. Learn if you have been implanted with a microchip by dentist, doctor or hospital or is there directed energy or broad coverage community experimental energy exposure, which is described as very likely in a speech by then Senator John Glenn below! Senator John Glenn's speech asking that human experiment loopholes be closed! STATEMENTS ON INTRODUCED BILLS AND JOINT RESOLUTIONS (Senate - January 22, 1997) HUMAN RESEARCH SUBJECT PROTECTION ACT These are the remarks of Sen. John Glenn, from the Congressional Record, introducing bill S. 193 to the 105th Congress. The bill did not become law; such a law is still needed for the reasons Glenn describes here. (These remarks were found by searching under the 105th Congress for S. 193. The text of the bill can be found there also.) ( Partial excerpt ) Mr. GLENN. Madam President, I rise today to introduce the Human Research Subject Protection Act of 1997. I send the bill to the desk. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The bill will be received and appropriately referred. Mr. GLENN. Madam President, if I approached any Senator here and I said, you did not know it, but the last time they went to the doctor or went to the hospital, your wife or your husband or your daughter or your son became the subject of a medical experiment that they were not even told about. They were given medicine, they were given pills, they were given radiation, they were given something and were not even told about this, were not even informed about it, yet they are under some experimental research that might possibly do them harm--maybe some good will come out of it, but maybe it will do them harm also--but they do not know about it,' people would laugh at that and say that is ridiculous. That cannot possibly happen in this country. Yet, that very situation is what this piece of legislation is supposed to address. I have been in public life and have served this country for many years. Frankly, I do not think too many things that I see surprise me anymore about our laws and about Government. Three years ago, though, I began to learn about a gap in our legal system that does truly concern me. In 1993 the Governmental Affairs Committee began to investigate the cold war radiation experiments. These experiments are one of the unfortunate legacies of the cold war, when our Government sponsored experiments involving radiation on our own citizens without their consent. They did not even know the experiments were being run on them. It was without their consent. One of the most infamous of these experiments took place in my own State of Ohio, when scores of patients at the University of Cincinnati were subjected to large doses of radiation during experimental treatments, without their consent, without their informed consent. During the course of this investigation, I began to ask the question, what protections are in place to prevent such abuses from happening again? What law prohibits experimenting on people without their informed consent? What I found, when I looked into it, is there is no law on the books requiring that informed consent be obtained. More important, I believe there is a need for such a law, as there continue to be cases where this basic right--I do view it as a basic right--is abused. As I started out, I would like to put this on a personal level for everyone of my colleagues. You just think about your own family, your own son, your own daughter, or grandchildren who might be, the next time they go to a doctor, the subject of some medical experiment that they are not even told about. I do not think there can be many things more un-American than that. The link below is the official Department of Energy web site outlining an extraordinary number of medical experiments on men, women, and children predominantly using chemical and radioactive substances which were clearly understood to be deadly substances. It is apparent that a method to indoctrinate, recruit, and enlarge the budget for increased use on the public by other more modern electronic devices has taken place as you will have proven to you with documentation presented in the book " Congressional Crime ".. DOE information as an example for those that doubt doctors are capable of acts wholly against the public welfare! Additionally no mention or reference to the new silent electronic experimentation/termination experiments; as the official policy releases only a small part of the record only 30 to 15 years after the activities; this delay appears to be policy so as to decrease liability and accountability, and is a part of the pattern of abuse regularly engaged in, the abuse using electronic weapons is on the rise dramatically. Do you have the symptoms!? Department of Energy lists and locations of human experimentation tis.eh.doe.gov/ohre/roadmap/experiments/0491terms.html If the official web page above will not open try the on site copy below. ON SITE COPY CLICK HERE --> X ......." www.us-government-torture.com/ A SHORT HISTORY OF US GOVERNMENT RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE {{NOT!!}} TITLE 50, CHAPTER 32, SECTION 1520 "CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM". "The use of human subjects will be allowed for the testing of chemical and ... www.whatreallyhappened.com/biowar.html "...In 1492, Chemor, Chief Rabbi of Spain received the following reply from the Grand Sanhedrin (elders of Zion) to his plea for advice on how to deal with their threatened expulsion under Spanish Law; it illustrates well how the same ancient agenda was still being adhered to by the elect at this time: "Beloved brethren in Moses, we have received your letter in which you tell us of the anxieties and misfortunes which you are enduring. We are pierced by as great a pain to hear it as yourselves. The advice of the Grand Satraps and the Rabbis is the following: 1. As for what you say that the King of Spain obliges you to become Christians: do it, since you cannot do otherwise. 2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs. 3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and apothecaries, that they may take away Christian's lives. 4. As for what you say of their destroying your synagogues: make your sons canons and clerics in order that they may destroy their churches. 5. As for the other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix in affairs of State, that by putting Christians under your yoke you may dominate the world and be avenged on them. 6. Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will find by experience that, humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of power. (Signed) Prince of the Jews of Constantinople" (Julio-Inigrez de Medrano - "La Silva Curiosa" 1608 my emphasis)...." www.biblebelievers.org.au/proof.htm Subjects of LSD experiments included children as young as five years old, and brain electrodes were implanted in children as young as 11 years of age. Four of the CIA’s MKULTRA Subprojects were on children. ".....Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men")...... Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep. Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel." Jews May Lie to Non-Jews, Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile. Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human, Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals. Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth. ....." Tidbits from the Talmud www.sherryshriner.com/talmud_tidbits.htm
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
============ Ever wonder if the 9/11 pilots were actually the real AIRLINE PILOTS who had been programmed in this manner, and that the "19 Arabs" are individuals that were not even on those planes, but were used simply to drum up support for war in the Middle East? Interesting question. I wonder if Payne Stewart was a test subject? =========== "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I find it strange that nobody except for you and I might be interested in this possibility. I think they're all too excited about Obama and stuff and have forgotten about things that truly matter.
Ever wonder if the 9/11 pilots were actually the real AIRLINE PILOTS who had been programmed in this manner, and that the "19 Arabs" are individuals that were not even on those planes, but were used simply to drum up support for war in the Middle East? From the above article; *** ping ***
i haven't considered that before, but it certainly sounds plausible after reading the information in the article...and Indrid's not a conspiracy theorist usually. ;)
It'd explain a lot of things, including why the hijack signal was never broadcast from any of the hijacked airliners. It'd also explain how the planes were flown in a very precise and professional way, vastly beyond the actual ability of the alleged hijackers. It might also explain what happened with the Flight 93 crash in Pennsylvania, where upon finding out that fighter jets could no longer be prevented from reaching that hijacked plane, the pilot, while under whatever mind control technology was in use, was ordered on a secure channel to crash it nose first into a field in order to eliminate any evidence of who was really flying the plane, as the fighters would have shot it down, possibly leaving inconvenient evidence behind.
Haha, ain't that the truth.
*Can we create by post-H control an action contrary to an individual’s basic moral principles? *Can we in a matter of an hour, two hours, one day, etc., induce an H (hypnotic) condition in an unwilling subject to such an extent that he will perform an act for our benefit? *Could we seize a subject and in the space of an hour or two by post-H control have him crash an airplane, wreck a train, etc.? The first director of the CIA, Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, would have been the director that approved Project Bluebird. Oddly enough, he is said to have been a member of Majestic 12. Being that CIA Project Bluebird was setup specifically to answer such questions as whether or not a person could be brainwashed into committing acts such as crashing planes without any recollection of the brainwashing process, I view this as a strong possibility in regards to the 9/11 events. I also find it strange that towards the end of his years, he sent a letter to Congress which was reported by the New York Times. The letter stated, "Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense." Was he himself a victim of his own doing, or was he speaking out of first hand knowledge on such matters? There are obviously SOME people out there that know the answers to such questions. Will we ever find out the TRUTH I wonder....
i don't believe that it was a 757 that hit the pentagon. what happened to that plane and its crew and passengers, i obviously can't say, but this would also explain the pilot's amenability to whatever was done with the aircraft.
I believe Issac Newton would agree with you. His thought of conservation of momentum of the massive dense jet engines proves the Pentagon situation is not as presented. But what did he know?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" hehe..i'm in good company then. ;)
The best mind of five hundred years - at least. Carl Fredrich Gauss was maybe more. But yes, you are in august company.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" It's not as if they COULDN'T have used the real 757 to attack the Pentagon. I believe there were several reasons for why they didn't. 1) Cause a high degree of confusion as to what really happened that day amongst those with inquisitive minds. 2) Bring ridicule and scorn upon those who do not accept the claim that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon due to reason number 1. 3) Scurry off those onboard Flight 77 to a secure area in order to allow at least some of them to live, such as the wife of the Solicitor General. The rest of the passengers were probably terminated in some rather Nazi like way, and their remains spread throughout the debris area for recovery teams to find so that there would be DNA evidence that the listed passengers were actually found there. 4) By using a guided missle or a high powered drone with an explosive payload, possibly destroy any evidence of the operation by impacting operational computers in secure areas with information that could be used to piece the true 9/11 plot together. 5) Destroy all evidence of what actually happened to the missing $2.3 trillion dollars. In fact, if you think about it, number 5 could be the reason that REALLY mattered, the rest are all just fringe benefits.
4 and 6 (what happened to 5?) ;)
Carl Friedrich Gauss i had to look him up. hey, tom, i meant to tell you that i finally watched a movie you recommended months ago, The Weeping Camel. great story. it was so heartbreaking when the mother rejected her baby. thankfully, it had a happy ending or i would've been traumatized. ;P
What do you mean what happened to 5? I'd like to know what happened to 6...
hehehehehe
I am so! I just choose my conspiracies carefully, that's all. Going to bed now...
very interesting question, I'd never heard of that scenario either.. except, the one pilot for one of the hijacked planes on 911 (forget his name) . who had practiced the same type drill/ scenarios. i was always suspect of that whole story.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." There have been quite a few articles over the USG's use of microwaves and other technology to influence and control human behavior. Your hypothesis could well be valid, along with another one I've often thought of....assuming pilots were Arabs, they may well have been fighter pilots (remember the comments about them flying the planes like fighter jocks) trained by the USA in countries like UAE, Saudi, Pakistan. Their flight training here was a cover.
Here's a bit more info on the CIA MKULTRA aftermath in regards to "Dr." Cameron;
In addition to the fact that the supposed hijack pilot of Flight 77, which is claimed to have hit the Pentagon, couldn't even safely fly a Cessna leads me to believe that the true pilots were not these supposed hijackers. Hell, there's evidence that at least some of them are still alive and that their passports had been stolen years before 9/11. There is not one shred of physical evidence that any of the alleged 19 hijackers had actually boarded those planes, so I tend to think it was either the actual airline pilots themselves, under the control of some MKULTRA like operation, or that the planes had been taken over by remote control. The info coming out about these individuals training at US bases may or may not be accurate, but I think it's just a deliberate diversion, just as there's many diversions to the 9/11 legend that leads researchers into directions that take them away from the facts that those behind the attacks wish to conceal.
the unscathed passport supposedly found atop all the rubble and dust of the world trade buildings and all their contents is a screaming sign that 911 was an inside job. as is the stand down of NORAD on that day over the most protected airspace in the world.
Peter Dale Scott's recent book, The Road to 911 is a good "metaview" of the whole situation. And to flog an old horse, IMO, PTECH was the Rosetta Stone of the day, along with the numerous exercises being conducted. Scott touches upon the fact that there were even more than the four or five I'd heard about.
#2. To: Indrid Cold, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, Artisan (#0)
*Can we create by post-H control an action contrary to an individual’s basic moral principles? *Can we in a matter of an hour, two hours, one day, etc., induce an H (hypnotic) condition in an unwilling subject to such an extent that he will perform an act for our benefit? *Could we seize a subject and in the space of an hour or two by post-H control have him crash an airplane, wreck a train, etc.? *Can we by H and SI techniques force a subject to travel long distances, commit specified acts and return to us or bring documents or materials? *Can we guarantee total amnesia under any and all conditions? *Can we “alter” a person’s personality? *Can we devise a system for making unwilling subjects into willing agents and then transfer that control to untrained agency agents in the field by use of codes or identifying signs? *How can sodium A or P or any other sleep inducing agent be best concealed in a normal or commonplace item, such as candy, cigarettes, coffee, tea, beer, medicines?Officially, Bluebird morphed into MKULTRA and was as established on 13 April 1953, at Richard Helms’ suggestion as “ultra sensitive work.”
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#3. To: Indrid Cold (#0)
Lest anyone try to tell you that these things are the stuff of conspiracy loons...
#4. To: FormerLurker (#2)
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*Could we seize a subject and in the space of an hour or two by post-H control have him crash an airplane, wreck a train, etc.? *
#5. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#4)
Interesting question.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#6. To: honway, aristeides, swarthyguy, robin, christine (#2)
Let's see if some other people might be interested in this..
*Can we create by post-H control an action contrary to an individual’s basic moral principles? *Can we in a matter of an hour, two hours, one day, etc., induce an H (hypnotic) condition in an unwilling subject to such an extent that he will perform an act for our benefit? *Could we seize a subject and in the space of an hour or two by post-H control have him crash an airplane, wreck a train, etc.?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#7. To: angle (#2)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#8. To: FormerLurker, Indrid Cold (#6)
Ever wonder if the 9/11 pilots were actually the real AIRLINE PILOTS who had been programmed in this manner, and that the "19 Arabs" are individuals that were not even on those planes, but were used simply to drum up support for war in the Middle East?
#9. To: christine (#8)
i haven't considered that before, but it certainly sounds plausible after reading the information in the article...and Indrid's not a conspiracy theorist usually. ;)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#10. To: tom007 (#1)
The CIA should pay everyone who reads the local newspaper a claim.
#11. To: christine (#8)
Project Bluebird was approved by the director of the CIA on April 20, 1950. In a 1951 memo, Bluebird states that practical research was to be conducted to include these specific problems:
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#12. To: FormerLurker (#9)
#13. To: christine (#12)
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i don't believe that it was a 757 that hit the pentagon.
#14. To: tom007 (#13)
I believe Issac Newton would agree with you.
#15. To: christine (#14)
#16. To: christine (#12)
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i don't believe that it was a 757 that hit the pentagon. what happened to that plane and its crew and passengers, i obviously can't say, but this would also explain the pilot's amenability to whatever was done with the aircraft.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#17. To: FormerLurker (#16)
In fact, if you think about it, number 6 could be the reason that REALLY mattered, the rest are all just fringe benefits.
#18. To: tom007 (#15)
#19. To: christine (#17)
4 and 6 (what happened to 5?) ;)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#20. To: FormerLurker (#19)
#21. To: christine (#8)
...and Indrid's not a conspiracy theorist usually. ;)
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#22. To: FormerLurker (#2)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#23. To: FormerLurker (#6)
#24. To: Indrid Cold, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#25. To: swarthyguy (#23)
Your hypothesis could well be valid, along with another one I've often thought of....assuming pilots were Arabs, they may well have been fighter pilots (remember the comments about them flying the planes like fighter jocks) trained by the USA in countries like UAE, Saudi, Pakistan.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#26. To: FormerLurker (#25)
#27. To: FormerLurker, aristeides (#25)
the facts
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