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Title: Why Obama's Support For FISA Cave-In Is Such A Downer (my comment: is the bloom coming off the rose? )
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URL Source: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpo ... obamas_support_for_fisa_ca.php
Published: Jun 20, 2008
Author: Greg Sargent
Post Date: 2008-06-20 22:44:16 by christine
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Here's what's so dispiriting about it. One of the riveting things about Barack Obama's candidacy is that since the outset of the campaign he's seemed absolutely dead serious about changing the way foreign policy is discussed and argued about in this country.

Time and again, in his debates with Hillary, and now with John McCain, his whole debate posture on national security issues was centered on the idea that he could challenge and change what it means to talk "tough." His candidacy has long seemed to embody a conviction that Democrats can win arguments with Republicans about national security -- that if Dems stick to a set of core principles, and forcefully argue for them without blinking, they can and will persuade people that, simply put, they are right and Republicans are wrong.

Obama has done this already in this general election -- repeatedly. And no doubt he will do it again and again and again in the months ahead.

To be clear, I'm not even talking about whether opposing this would or wouldn't have carried political peril. It really doesn't matter. Because if there were ever anything that would have tested his operating premise throughout this campaign -- that you can win arguments with Republicans about national security -- it was this legislation. If ever there were anything that deserved to test this premise, it was this legislation.

And this time, he abandoned that premise.

Late Update: Glenn Greenwald, a leading critic of Obama on this, sends me his skeptical take on why he thinks Obama's promise to work on the bill in the Senate doesn't change anything:

"I think we do a grave disservice if we try to convince people that Obama is really going to work to get amnesty out of the bill. Reid is already saying it's just theater -- they know it's going to fail -- it's just a way, Reid said, to let people "express themselves." It's all designed to let Obama say, once he votes for this bill: "Well, I tried to get amnesty out." He's going to vote for amnesty -- and his statement today seals the fate of this bill. Why sugar coat that?" Subscribe to *Obama Reality Check*

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#1. To: christine (#0)

His candidacy has long seemed to embody a conviction that Democrats can win arguments with Republicans about national security -- that if Dems stick to a set of core principles, and forcefully argue for them without blinking, they can and will persuade people that, simply put, they are right and Republicans are wrong.

That's all nice and good, but the problem is that the 'core principles' involve more wars. The "D"s, much like Bush in his early years in the white house, are simply stealing pages from the opposition handbook by parroting their positions. This is then hailed as pulling the rug out from under their opponents despite the fact they now push positions that their opponents are in full agreement with.

I still fail to see what glorious changes to US policy are in the works.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-06-21   0:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

I would like for the partisan obama pimps to parse this one.

I need a good laugh! ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-06-21   13:37:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Rotara. all (#2)

The only change that BO would bring is in the pigmentation level.

Lod  posted on  2008-06-21   13:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: lodwick (#3)

The only change that BO would bring is in the pigmentation level.

Even that isn't very impressive. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-06-21   14:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Rotara (#4)

I repeat myself, but, 'Why the heck didn't we chop our own cotton?'

Lod  posted on  2008-06-21   17:51:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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