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Title: Army ‘vacuum’ missile hits Taliban
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URL Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4187835.ece
Published: Jun 22, 2008
Author: Michael Smith
Post Date: 2008-06-22 10:48:53 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 169
Comments: 8

British forces in Afghanistan have used one of the world’s most deadly and controversial missiles to fight the Taliban.

Apache attack helicopters have fired the thermobaric weapons against fighters in buildings and caves, to create a pressure wave which sucks the air out of victims, shreds their internal organs and crushes their bodies.

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create a pressure wave which sucks the air out of victims, shreds their internal organs and crushes their bodies.

No fair!

I guess blown up, burnt, shot, depressurized, liquefied, drowned, hung, etc; dead is dead.

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Rotara  posted on  2008-06-22   11:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They'll lose. IIRC is was Alexander the Great that last took over Afghanistan.

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PSUSA  posted on  2008-06-22   11:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They'll lose. IIRC is was Alexander the Great that last took over Afghanistan.

The Russians used plenty of thermobaric weapons in the 1980's. Didn't win the war for them either.

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Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-06-22   11:43:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They're still using them in Chechnya (or at least they had; I'm not sure how Chechnya is right now if they still need that much force.) The RPO-A Shmel is an extremely effective weapon. A train car load of them captured from Russian forces in Chechnya was captured by the Marines in Afghanistan. We've since reverse engineered our own version of it, and I think testing is still going, or a small number were being used by us either in Afghanistan or Iraq.

But, you're right, the generous application of force didn't help them in Afghanistan either. That's why I don't understand why people here always say that we should take the gloves off wherever we're fighting. The Soviets never had the gloves on, and it didn't help them. No matter how we think about ourselves, there is no qualitative difference between being killed by Russians or by Americans, and people aren't exactly lining up for the honor of being killed by the indispensible nation.

Rivers of blood were spilled out over land that, in normal times, not even the poorest Arab would have worried his head over." Field Marshal Erwin Rommel

historian1944  posted on  2008-06-22   12:20:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No matter how we think about ourselves, there is no qualitative difference between being killed by Russians or by Americans, and people aren't exactly lining up for the honor of being killed by the indispensible nation.

We, or rather THEY, think too much of themselves. They think defeat is simply not possible, for no other reason than they are Americans.

They have fought and won battles, but they have not won a war since WW2.

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PSUSA  posted on  2008-06-22   13:28:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They're still using them in Chechnya (or at least they had; I'm not sure how Chechnya is right now if they still need that much force.) The RPO-A Shmel is an extremely effective weapon. A train car load of them captured from Russian forces in Chechnya was captured by the Marines in Afghanistan. We've since reverse engineered our own version of it, and I think testing is still going, or a small number were being used by us either in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Since the start of WWII the Russians always produced rather effective anti-infantry weapons. They seem to understand that fighting still comes down to a man with a rifle. The Russians are also puttering around with thermobaric warheads that can be fired from standard ATGM launcher on the BMP series while the US is still lobbing anti-tank missiles at an enemy who has no tanks.

But, you're right, the generous application of force didn't help them in Afghanistan either. That's why I don't understand why people here always say that we should take the gloves off wherever we're fighting. The Soviets never had the gloves on, and it didn't help them.

I've thought about this. The failure of the 'gloves off' policy is two fold. First, it simply forces the locals to choose a side and in almost all cases that is against the side killing everything in sight. Second, the logical conclusion of such actions is simple. Kill everyone. Insurgents hide in and draft their ranks from the civilian population that you have utterly pissed off? Then destroy the civilian population. The problem with this is at most nations (in my opinion thankfully) lack the means and the will to carry out such horrors.

The US could 'win' in Iraq very easily, but it would destroy the nation and our souls in the process.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-06-22   13:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They have fought and won battles, but they have not won a war since WW2.

Ah, but you forget Gulf War I. I have to agree with a UK military historian who said that the US was so desperate to shake off their losing streak that they latched onto "A victory against a 4th rate army with 10th rate leadership" as proof that the US was back on top.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-06-22   13:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You could probably say the same about Panama and Grenada.

I personally consider Iraq Pt 1 to be a battle and then a massacre, not a war. IIRC we also violated the Geneva Convention during that battle, on the "Highway of death" by killing retreating soldiers.

JMO

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PSUSA  posted on  2008-06-22   14:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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