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Title: Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh
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Published: Jun 25, 2008
Author: Phil Chapman
Post Date: 2008-06-25 02:36:28 by RickyJ
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THE scariest photo I have seen on the internet is www.spaceweather.com, where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium point between solar and terrestrial gravity. What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot. Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously. All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over. There is also plenty of anecdotal evidence that 2007 was exceptionally cold. It snowed in Baghdad for the first time in centuries, the winter in China was simply terrible and the extent of Antarctic sea ice in the austral winter was the greatest on record since James Cook discovered the place in 1770. It is generally not possible to draw conclusions about climatic trends from events in a single year, so I would normally dismiss this cold snap as transient, pending what happens in the next few years. This is where SOHO comes in. The sunspot number follows a cycle of somewhat variable length, averaging 11 years. The most recent minimum was in March last year. The new cycle, No.24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers. It didn't happen. The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon. The reason this matters is that there is a close correlation between variations in the sunspot cycle and Earth's climate. The previous time a cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold period that lasted several decades from 1790. Northern winters became ferocious: in particular, the rout of Napoleon's Grand Army during the retreat from Moscow in 1812 was at least partly due to the lack of sunspots. That the rapid temperature decline in 2007 coincided with the failure of cycle No.24 to begin on schedule is not proof of a causal connection but it is cause for concern. It is time to put aside the global warming dogma, at least to begin contingency planning about what to do if we are moving into another little ice age, similar to the one that lasted from 1100 to 1850. There is no doubt that the next little ice age would be much worse than the previous one and much more harmful than anything warming may do. There are many more people now and we have become dependent on a few temperate agricultural areas, especially in the US and Canada. Global warming would increase agricultural output, but global cooling will decrease it. Millions will starve if we do nothing to prepare for it (such as planning changes in agriculture to compensate), and millions more will die from cold-related diseases. There is also another possibility, remote but much more serious. The Greenland and Antarctic ice cores and other evidence show that for the past several million years, severe glaciation has almost always afflicted our planet. The bleak truth is that, under normal conditions, most of North America and Europe are buried under about 1.5km of ice. This bitterly frigid climate is interrupted occasionally by brief warm interglacials, typically lasting less than 10,000 years. The interglacial we have enjoyed throughout recorded human history, called the Holocene, began 11,000 years ago, so the ice is overdue. We also know that glaciation can occur quickly: the required decline in global temperature is about 12C and it can happen in 20 years. The next descent into an ice age is inevitable but may not happen for another 1000 years. On the other hand, it must be noted that the cooling in 2007 was even faster than in typical glacial transitions. If it continued for 20 years, the temperature would be 14C cooler in 2027. By then, most of the advanced nations would have ceased to exist, vanishing under the ice, and the rest of the world would be faced with a catastrophe beyond imagining. Australia may escape total annihilation but would surely be overrun by millions of refugees. Once the glaciation starts, it will last 1000 centuries, an incomprehensible stretch of time. If the ice age is coming, there is a small chance that we could prevent or at least delay the transition, if we are prepared to take action soon enough and on a large enough scale. For example: We could gather all the bulldozers in the world and use them to dirty the snow in Canada and Siberia in the hope of reducing the reflectance so as to absorb more warmth from the sun. We also may be able to release enormous floods of methane (a potent greenhouse gas) from the hydrates under the Arctic permafrost and on the continental shelves, perhaps using nuclear weapons to destabilise the deposits. We cannot really know, but my guess is that the odds are at least 50-50 that we will see significant cooling rather than warming in coming decades. The probability that we are witnessing the onset of a real ice age is much less, perhaps one in 500, but not totally negligible. All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead. It will be difficult for people to face the truth when their reputations, careers, government grants or hopes for social change depend on global warming, but the fate of civilisation may be at stake. In the famous words of Oliver Cromwell, "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken." Phil Chapman is a geophysicist and astronautical engineer who lives in San Francisco. He was the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut.
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#38. To: farmfriend (#31)
According to Donarummo, it long has been known that volcanoes add more dust and more sulfates to the atmosphere. The UB team discovered that these additional sulfates cause cosmic rays to have a more pronounced effect on Earth by spurring the formation of small droplets in the atmosphere that, in turn, cause the formation of a type of cloud that does not produce rain. So are you trying to say that sunspots cause volcanic activity? What exactly ARE you trying to say here? Should high sunspot activity make the earth warmer or cooler?
You quoted the author of this article stating that there were only three this year up to the 23rd of April. Do you retract that quote and agree that the author is lying?
I'm not saying anything, just countering your unsourced unsupported notion that "any relationship between climate and sunspot activity is minimal." Do you want to source that? Support it in any way?
The author was talking about cycle 24. Why don't you get back to me when you understand more about sun spots.
Why don't you get back to me when you know the difference between 3 and 129, as from the data it appears there were 129 separate sunspots between the first of the year and April 23rd, whereas you implied the author was correct in stating there were only THREE...
This is exactly what you quoted in post# 11 on this thread; "The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon."
How can you be countering what I posted if you don't know what effect sunspots have on the climate?
LOL! Not according to the data you posted from NOAA. Do you not believe your own data?
Did anyone teach you how to count when you were a little girl? Looking over the data, I looked at the highest number in a group and counted that highest number only once. I tallied the highest number of EACH group up through 4/23 and arrived at 129. Is that beyond your understanding?
"The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon." No. This is what I quoted from post #11: It didn't happen. The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon. The first sun spot for cycle 24 did appear in Jan. Are you going to actually read the data I posted?
Ok farmfriend, why don't you show us your fancy new math and tell us what YOU think the count is up to 4/23.
Is that beyond your understanding? I knew that was what you did. It's the wrong way to do it. Sadly you didn't notice their tallies at the bottom.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem, or are you just playing dumb here?
LOL! Your repost doesn't have the bottom tallies that the first one had? Why not?
You cut the post taking a portion out of context and you ask if I have a reading comprehension problem? That's rich.
Those are average number of spots per days in the month. Are you really that dumb? They added the number of sunspots from each day and divided by the number of days in the month. Geesh, do it on a calculator if you don't believe me. I take it you weren't an honor roll student, eh..............
See above post for your answer, if you can understand it that is...
Do you or do you not understand what 1 + 1 + 1 equals?
Did you really think that if there were 12 sunspots on January 4th, there would only be 3.4 sunspots recorded for the month of January?
Would a graph help you. This is a NOAA graph. Again those are monthly AVERAGED values. DO you think if you have 12 of something on one day of the month, the total number for that month would equal anything less?
It obviously wouldn't help YOU.
As you can see from the following table for daily sunspot activity in 2000, the values depicted on the graph you posted are MONTHLY AVERAGE VALUES, not TOTALS.
So are you ready to admit that the author lied, and that you were wrong in assuming there were only three sunspots from the beginning of the year through the day he published his editorial?
Get back to me when you know the difference between cycle 23 and 24.
From the data I posted. January 2008 Do you or do you not understand dates and numbers? Does the statement "The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday." confuse you? Does the fact that the author published his article on April 23rd befuddle your mind, where you can't understand how many sunspots he claims there were from the beginning of the year up to the day he wrote his article? Are you REALLY that dumb, or are you just playing like you are because your pay will get docked if you do admit that the author lied, or didn't know what the hell he was talking about? If you AREN'T that dumb, you are a terrible liar.
Three spots from cycle 24. Until you understand that we get nowhere. That's why I said you were cutting the quote I used and therefore taking it out of context. 3 spots from Cycle 24. The distinction if vital.
I could care less what horseshit you post from some off the wall website. You refuse to acknowledge 12 is greater than 3.4, and that 1 + 1 + 1 equals 3.
In cycle 24. Cycle 24. cycle 24. You can not take a part of the quote out of context. He was talking about cycle 24 and clearly states that. There is a difference between cycle 24 and cycle 23 sun spots.
the 3.4 is averages as you clearly pointed out. His numbers are almost identical to the averages you posted earlier.
Watch out, thems will suck the life right out of you. ;-)
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He said there was ONE sunspot in January. That is a LIE. There were 28 separate sunspots that month. He said there was ONE sunspot TWO Mondays before he wrote the article, and another ONE the Monday after that, where there were NO days this year where there was only ONE sunspot, never mind only one on a Monday. And YOU are an even bigger liar, as cycle 24 started January 4th, where there were TWELVE sunspots that day, and 129 separate sunspots just up to 4/23/08. I've been trying to let you off the hook on that, but it's quite clear that you had no intention of correcting yourself and admitting you were wrong.
Your averages 3.4, 2.1, 9.3, 2.9, 2.9 His averages 3.4, 2.1, 9.3, 2.9, 2.9 taken directly from the data I posted.
No, he said there was one spot from cycle 24. How many times do I have to repeat that. Here is the direct quote again: It didn't happen. The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon. Those figures are nonsense, especially the 0.3 from cycle 24. He AND you are presenting averaged numbers as if they were ACTUAL counts, and then trying to say there were 0.3 sunspots this entire year. Do you really expect people to be that stupid?
How many from cycle 23 and how many from cycle 24?
Do you live in some sort of alternate universe where 20 = 3, and 3 equals 1? Again, cycle 24 STARTED on January 4th of this year, and has JUST began. Thus far, from what I can see there are ONE HUNDRED SIXTY (160) thus far this cycle. So you are here trying to say that 160 equals 1?
Are you pals with Bill Clinton or something? Are you going to try to change the meaning of the word EQUALS?
No, he represented the same averages you did only English is not his primary language.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBut, the researchers discovered, during periods of high volcanic activity, high sunspot activity also results in high levels of atmospheric dust.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#39. To: farmfriend (#37)
Your numbers seem to match mine so what is the problem?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: FormerLurker (#38)
So are you trying to say that sunspots cause volcanic activity? What exactly ARE you trying to say here? Should high sunspot activity make the earth warmer or cooler?
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#41. To: FormerLurker (#39)
(Edited)
You quoted the author of this article stating that there were only three this year up to the 23rd of April. Do you retract that quote and agree that the author is lying?
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#42. To: farmfriend (#41)
Why don't you get back to me when you understand more about sun spots
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#43. To: farmfriend (#41)
The author was talking about cycle 24.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#44. To: farmfriend (#40)
I'm not saying anything, just countering your unsourced unsupported notion that "any relationship between climate and sunspot activity is minimal."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#45. To: FormerLurker (#42)
Why don't you get back to me when you know the difference between 3 and 129, as from the data it appears there were 129 separate sunspots between the first of the year and April 23rd, whereas you implied the author was correct in stating there were only THREE...
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#46. To: farmfriend (#45)
LOL! Not according to the data you posted from NOAA. Do you not believe your own data?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: FormerLurker (#43)
This is exactly what you quoted in post# 11 on this thread;
This is where SOHO comes in. The sunspot number follows a cycle of somewhat variable length, averaging 11 years. The most recent minimum was in March last year. The new cycle, No.24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers.
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#48. To: farmfriend (#45)
DAILY SUNSPOT NUMBERS 2008
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Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Yr Day
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7 11 0 16 0 2008 01
7 9 0 9 0 2008 02
7 9 7 9 0 2008 03
12 8 0 7 7 2008 04
10 0 0 0 8 2008 05
11 0 8 0 0 2008 06
11 0 0 0 0 2008 07
9 0 0 0 0 2008 08
0 0 0 0 0 2008 09
8 0 9 0 0 2008 10
8 0 0 0 0 2008 11
0 0 0 0 0 2008 12
0 0 0 7 8 2008 13
0 0 0 7 0 2008 14
0 0 7 0 9 2008 15
0 0 7 0 14 2008 16
0 0 7 0 12 2008 17
0 0 0 0 15 2008 18
0 0 0 8 11 2008 19
0 0 0 0 7 2008 20
0 0 0 0 0 2008 21
0 0 0 8 0 2008 22
0 0 0 8 0 2008 23
0 0 19 7 0 2008 24
0 8 32 0 0 2008 25
0 8 36 0 0 2008 26
0 8 35 0 0 2008 27
0 0 34 0 0 2008 28
0 0 30 0 0 2008 29
8 31 0 0 2008 30
8 25 0 2008 31
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#49. To: FormerLurker (#46)
I tallied the highest number of EACH group up through 4/23 and arrived at 129.
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#50. To: farmfriend (#47)
It didn't happen. The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#51. To: FormerLurker (#48)
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#52. To: FormerLurker (#50)
Do you have a reading comprehension problem, or are you just playing dumb here?
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#53. To: farmfriend (#49)
Sadly you didn't notice their tallies at the bottom.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#54. To: farmfriend (#51)
LOL! Your repost doesn't have the bottom tallies that the first one had? Why not?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#55. To: farmfriend (#52)
You cut the post taking a portion out of context and you ask if I have a reading comprehension problem? That's rich.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: farmfriend (#51)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#57. To: FormerLurker (#53)
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#58. To: farmfriend (#57)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#59. To: farmfriend (#57)
Would a graph help you.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#60. To: farmfriend (#57)
DAILY SUNSPOT NUMBERS 2000
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Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Yr Day
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48 71 138 187 91 85 145 106 142 115 140 116 2000 01
51 64 130 193 80 79 141 110 118 164 147 109 2000 02
54 81 114 177 76 75 124 107 128 153 141 118 2000 03
64 99 113 164 71 101 114 110 134 150 130 72 2000 04
73 104 113 129 71 95 127 144 114 128 133 65 2000 05
85 136 129 108 42 99 154 143 114 97 108 57 2000 06
85 130 155 94 52 105 177 164 110 66 122 68 2000 07
75 128 145 100 64 120 177 140 85 72 127 57 2000 08
76 109 146 108 99 122 179 128 63 71 95 58 2000 09
65 122 137 102 120 119 215 154 42 57 101 62 2000 10
90 114 127 96 133 151 202 165 26 82 90 72 2000 11
134 113 122 113 133 147 186 170 35 122 72 89 2000 12
153 108 121 118 161 156 194 176 55 121 70 114 2000 13
164 119 115 114 193 171 164 204 60 104 84 135 2000 14
157 118 103 105 205 158 148 183 77 83 98 153 2000 15
163 131 100 98 189 142 197 178 85 92 95 145 2000 16
131 109 95 110 170 139 224 152 108 97 94 151 2000 17
120 104 101 94 161 147 228 140 112 95 116 138 2000 18
114 89 126 103 167 145 246 133 121 90 125 118 2000 19
95 76 150 121 180 159 241 106 124 94 110 127 2000 20
88 92 148 128 163 147 231 77 137 97 120 116 2000 21
84 100 156 145 143 127 216 67 142 89 113 107 2000 22
82 95 182 170 132 124 199 67 160 85 91 102 2000 23
80 123 188 160 134 119 171 77 163 82 98 115 2000 24
85 131 185 151 115 111 177 81 153 88 74 108 2000 25
77 144 170 136 117 129 133 79 161 73 59 121 2000 26
70 150 155 118 106 138 126 113 162 80 84 118 2000 27
60 151 169 124 124 115 120 132 142 106 106 118 2000 28
61 162 148 100 117 109 113 138 119 113 123 110 2000 29
51 148 100 93 114 112 144 100 108 138 111 2000 30
58 164 67 93 157 111 87 2000 31
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90.1 112.9 138.5 125.5 121.6 124.9 170.1 130.5 109.7 99.4 106.8 104.4
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Values are final. Annual mean = 119.6
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: farmfriend (#57)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#62. To: FormerLurker (#42)
Why don't you get back to me when you know the difference between 3 and 129,
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#63. To: FormerLurker (#61)
spotless days 20
one spot group from cycle 23 (southern hemisphere) on 11 days
one spot group from cycle 24 (northern hemisphere) on 1 day (4.1.)
4.1. there were two spot groups at the same time, one from cycle 23
and one from cycle 24
Sunspot number 3.4 (3.1 from cycle 23 0.3 from cycle 24)
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#64. To: farmfriend (#62)
Get back to me when you know the difference between cycle 23 and 24.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#65. To: FormerLurker (#61)
So are you ready to admit that the author lied, and that you were wrong in assuming there were only three sunspots from the beginning of the year through the day he published his editorial?
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#66. To: farmfriend (#63)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#67. To: FormerLurker (#64)
Do you or do you not understand dates and numbers? Does the statement "The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday." confuse you?
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#68. To: FormerLurker (#66)
You refuse to acknowledge 12 is greater than 3.4,
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#69. To: farmfriend (#62)
Get back to me when you know the difference between cycle 23 and 24.
#70. To: farmfriend (#65)
Three spots from cycle 24.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#71. To: FormerLurker (#66)
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#72. To: FormerLurker (#70)
He said there was ONE sunspot in January.
This is where SOHO comes in. The sunspot number follows a cycle of somewhat variable length, averaging 11 years. The most recent minimum was in March last year. The new cycle, No.24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers.
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#73. To: farmfriend (#63)
Sunspot number 3.4 (3.1 from cycle 23 0.3 from cycle 24)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#74. To: FormerLurker (#70)
He said there was ONE sunspot in January. That is a LIE. There were 28 separate sunspots that month.
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#75. To: farmfriend (#72)
No, he said there was one spot from cycle 24.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#76. To: farmfriend (#74)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#77. To: FormerLurker (#73)
He AND you are presenting averaged numbers as if they were ACTUAL counts,
"You have delusions of adequacy."
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