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Title: Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh
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The Australian
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Published: Jun 25, 2008
Author: Phil Chapman
Post Date: 2008-06-25 02:36:28 by RickyJ
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THE scariest photo I have seen on the internet is www.spaceweather.com, where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium point between solar and terrestrial gravity. What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot. Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously. All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over. There is also plenty of anecdotal evidence that 2007 was exceptionally cold. It snowed in Baghdad for the first time in centuries, the winter in China was simply terrible and the extent of Antarctic sea ice in the austral winter was the greatest on record since James Cook discovered the place in 1770. It is generally not possible to draw conclusions about climatic trends from events in a single year, so I would normally dismiss this cold snap as transient, pending what happens in the next few years. This is where SOHO comes in. The sunspot number follows a cycle of somewhat variable length, averaging 11 years. The most recent minimum was in March last year. The new cycle, No.24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers. It didn't happen. The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon. The reason this matters is that there is a close correlation between variations in the sunspot cycle and Earth's climate. The previous time a cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold period that lasted several decades from 1790. Northern winters became ferocious: in particular, the rout of Napoleon's Grand Army during the retreat from Moscow in 1812 was at least partly due to the lack of sunspots. That the rapid temperature decline in 2007 coincided with the failure of cycle No.24 to begin on schedule is not proof of a causal connection but it is cause for concern. It is time to put aside the global warming dogma, at least to begin contingency planning about what to do if we are moving into another little ice age, similar to the one that lasted from 1100 to 1850. There is no doubt that the next little ice age would be much worse than the previous one and much more harmful than anything warming may do. There are many more people now and we have become dependent on a few temperate agricultural areas, especially in the US and Canada. Global warming would increase agricultural output, but global cooling will decrease it. Millions will starve if we do nothing to prepare for it (such as planning changes in agriculture to compensate), and millions more will die from cold-related diseases. There is also another possibility, remote but much more serious. The Greenland and Antarctic ice cores and other evidence show that for the past several million years, severe glaciation has almost always afflicted our planet. The bleak truth is that, under normal conditions, most of North America and Europe are buried under about 1.5km of ice. This bitterly frigid climate is interrupted occasionally by brief warm interglacials, typically lasting less than 10,000 years. The interglacial we have enjoyed throughout recorded human history, called the Holocene, began 11,000 years ago, so the ice is overdue. We also know that glaciation can occur quickly: the required decline in global temperature is about 12C and it can happen in 20 years. The next descent into an ice age is inevitable but may not happen for another 1000 years. On the other hand, it must be noted that the cooling in 2007 was even faster than in typical glacial transitions. If it continued for 20 years, the temperature would be 14C cooler in 2027. By then, most of the advanced nations would have ceased to exist, vanishing under the ice, and the rest of the world would be faced with a catastrophe beyond imagining. Australia may escape total annihilation but would surely be overrun by millions of refugees. Once the glaciation starts, it will last 1000 centuries, an incomprehensible stretch of time. If the ice age is coming, there is a small chance that we could prevent or at least delay the transition, if we are prepared to take action soon enough and on a large enough scale. For example: We could gather all the bulldozers in the world and use them to dirty the snow in Canada and Siberia in the hope of reducing the reflectance so as to absorb more warmth from the sun. We also may be able to release enormous floods of methane (a potent greenhouse gas) from the hydrates under the Arctic permafrost and on the continental shelves, perhaps using nuclear weapons to destabilise the deposits. We cannot really know, but my guess is that the odds are at least 50-50 that we will see significant cooling rather than warming in coming decades. The probability that we are witnessing the onset of a real ice age is much less, perhaps one in 500, but not totally negligible. All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead. It will be difficult for people to face the truth when their reputations, careers, government grants or hopes for social change depend on global warming, but the fate of civilisation may be at stake. In the famous words of Oliver Cromwell, "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken." Phil Chapman is a geophysicist and astronautical engineer who lives in San Francisco. He was the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut.
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#58. To: farmfriend (#57)
Again those are monthly AVERAGED values. DO you think if you have 12 of something on one day of the month, the total number for that month would equal anything less?
It obviously wouldn't help YOU.
As you can see from the following table for daily sunspot activity in 2000, the values depicted on the graph you posted are MONTHLY AVERAGE VALUES, not TOTALS.
So are you ready to admit that the author lied, and that you were wrong in assuming there were only three sunspots from the beginning of the year through the day he published his editorial?
Get back to me when you know the difference between cycle 23 and 24.
From the data I posted. January 2008 Do you or do you not understand dates and numbers? Does the statement "The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday." confuse you? Does the fact that the author published his article on April 23rd befuddle your mind, where you can't understand how many sunspots he claims there were from the beginning of the year up to the day he wrote his article? Are you REALLY that dumb, or are you just playing like you are because your pay will get docked if you do admit that the author lied, or didn't know what the hell he was talking about? If you AREN'T that dumb, you are a terrible liar.
Three spots from cycle 24. Until you understand that we get nowhere. That's why I said you were cutting the quote I used and therefore taking it out of context. 3 spots from Cycle 24. The distinction if vital.
I could care less what horseshit you post from some off the wall website. You refuse to acknowledge 12 is greater than 3.4, and that 1 + 1 + 1 equals 3.
In cycle 24. Cycle 24. cycle 24. You can not take a part of the quote out of context. He was talking about cycle 24 and clearly states that. There is a difference between cycle 24 and cycle 23 sun spots.
the 3.4 is averages as you clearly pointed out. His numbers are almost identical to the averages you posted earlier.
Watch out, thems will suck the life right out of you. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
He said there was ONE sunspot in January. That is a LIE. There were 28 separate sunspots that month. He said there was ONE sunspot TWO Mondays before he wrote the article, and another ONE the Monday after that, where there were NO days this year where there was only ONE sunspot, never mind only one on a Monday. And YOU are an even bigger liar, as cycle 24 started January 4th, where there were TWELVE sunspots that day, and 129 separate sunspots just up to 4/23/08. I've been trying to let you off the hook on that, but it's quite clear that you had no intention of correcting yourself and admitting you were wrong.
Your averages 3.4, 2.1, 9.3, 2.9, 2.9 His averages 3.4, 2.1, 9.3, 2.9, 2.9 taken directly from the data I posted.
No, he said there was one spot from cycle 24. How many times do I have to repeat that. Here is the direct quote again: It didn't happen. The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon. Those figures are nonsense, especially the 0.3 from cycle 24. He AND you are presenting averaged numbers as if they were ACTUAL counts, and then trying to say there were 0.3 sunspots this entire year. Do you really expect people to be that stupid?
How many from cycle 23 and how many from cycle 24?
Do you live in some sort of alternate universe where 20 = 3, and 3 equals 1? Again, cycle 24 STARTED on January 4th of this year, and has JUST began. Thus far, from what I can see there are ONE HUNDRED SIXTY (160) thus far this cycle. So you are here trying to say that 160 equals 1?
Are you pals with Bill Clinton or something? Are you going to try to change the meaning of the word EQUALS?
No, he represented the same averages you did only English is not his primary language.
LOL It's like remedial pre-school class and you got stuck teaching!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
It didn't happen. A) The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. B) A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. C) Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon. A) LIE B) LIE C) LIE Are you going to try to say that January doesn't exist, or that he meant next year, or something equally deranged?
I bet she was your teacher, right?
Are you ready to admit that there were 160 sunspots so far this cycle and that you were lying about there only being ONE?
LOL! cycle 23 spots and cycle 24 spots happen at the same time. Hemisphere is important. That's why Timo gives data each month for cycle 23 and cycle 24. It's not just a matter of numbers since a certain date. There well may have been 160 spots since Jan 4, I didn't count them, but most of those are cycle 23 spots. Look at Timo's data again. Would this help. He has the same 3.4 average spots you have then breaks it down by cycle. I'll add % to make it clear. There hasn't been 160 spots "this cycle".
Correct. Sort of. Cycle 24 spots have made an appearance but the cycle is still considered delayed since the spots are few in number and weak plus we are still getting cycle 23 spots. Incorrect. Most of those were from last cycle, cycle 23.
No. Shall I go back and pull the data? Go back and look at Timo's data, taken from NOAA, he breaks it down by cycle as it should be. Most months had cycle 23 spots not cycle 24. There is a distinction that is important.
Do you or do you not admit that on the day this cycle started, 1/4/2008, there were 12 active sunspots? Do you or do you not admit that since there were TWELVE that day, then your statement, "No, he said there was one spot from cycle 24" would indicate the man is either an idiot or a liar?
Are you for real? The cycle started 1/4/2008, and by summing the highest value for unique groups of spots up through the end of May, the sum is 160. Hell, you still can't admit that 12 doesn't equal 1.
January 2008 You do realize that we are IN CYCLE 24 right NOW, don't you?
Do you or do you NOT admit that 12 DOES NOT EQUAL 1?
The start of cycle 24 doesn't mean that all subsequent spots are cycle 24.
And still getting cycle 23 spots.
I think you're just trying to see if I'll lose my temper with how dumb you are acting. The cycle began 1/4/2008. A sunspot cycle BEGINS with the MINIMUM point in the cycle, where there is EXPECTED to be very little sunspot activity. Even YOU should have seen that from the graph you posted.. Hell, here's another set of graphs which go back to 1760. So sunspot activity will increase over the next several years, but what we are experiencing NOW is perfectly normal and expected.
Do you know the difference between an apple and an orange? I really don't think you do.
Do you admit that the beginning of a cycle indicates a point where there is a lull in sunspot activity?
Do you think it really matters if a spot is cycle 23 or 24 in regards to the number of spots at this point? Do you even know what would make a spot cycle 23 or 24?
"... the daily "Boulder Sunspot Number," is computed by the NOAA Space Environment Center using a formula devised by Rudolph Wolf in 1848: R=k (10g+s), where R is the sunspot number; g is the number of sunspot groups on the solar disk; s is the total number of individual spots in all the groups; and k is a variable scaling factor (usually <1) that accounts for observing conditions and the type of telescope (binoculars, space telescopes, etc.)." .............. "As a rule of thumb, if you divide either of the official sunspot numbers by 15, you'll get the approximate number of individual sunspots visible on the solar disk if you look at the Sun by projecting its image on a paper plate with a small telescope."
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#59. To: farmfriend (#57)
Would a graph help you.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#60. To: farmfriend (#57)
DAILY SUNSPOT NUMBERS 2000
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Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Yr Day
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48 71 138 187 91 85 145 106 142 115 140 116 2000 01
51 64 130 193 80 79 141 110 118 164 147 109 2000 02
54 81 114 177 76 75 124 107 128 153 141 118 2000 03
64 99 113 164 71 101 114 110 134 150 130 72 2000 04
73 104 113 129 71 95 127 144 114 128 133 65 2000 05
85 136 129 108 42 99 154 143 114 97 108 57 2000 06
85 130 155 94 52 105 177 164 110 66 122 68 2000 07
75 128 145 100 64 120 177 140 85 72 127 57 2000 08
76 109 146 108 99 122 179 128 63 71 95 58 2000 09
65 122 137 102 120 119 215 154 42 57 101 62 2000 10
90 114 127 96 133 151 202 165 26 82 90 72 2000 11
134 113 122 113 133 147 186 170 35 122 72 89 2000 12
153 108 121 118 161 156 194 176 55 121 70 114 2000 13
164 119 115 114 193 171 164 204 60 104 84 135 2000 14
157 118 103 105 205 158 148 183 77 83 98 153 2000 15
163 131 100 98 189 142 197 178 85 92 95 145 2000 16
131 109 95 110 170 139 224 152 108 97 94 151 2000 17
120 104 101 94 161 147 228 140 112 95 116 138 2000 18
114 89 126 103 167 145 246 133 121 90 125 118 2000 19
95 76 150 121 180 159 241 106 124 94 110 127 2000 20
88 92 148 128 163 147 231 77 137 97 120 116 2000 21
84 100 156 145 143 127 216 67 142 89 113 107 2000 22
82 95 182 170 132 124 199 67 160 85 91 102 2000 23
80 123 188 160 134 119 171 77 163 82 98 115 2000 24
85 131 185 151 115 111 177 81 153 88 74 108 2000 25
77 144 170 136 117 129 133 79 161 73 59 121 2000 26
70 150 155 118 106 138 126 113 162 80 84 118 2000 27
60 151 169 124 124 115 120 132 142 106 106 118 2000 28
61 162 148 100 117 109 113 138 119 113 123 110 2000 29
51 148 100 93 114 112 144 100 108 138 111 2000 30
58 164 67 93 157 111 87 2000 31
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90.1 112.9 138.5 125.5 121.6 124.9 170.1 130.5 109.7 99.4 106.8 104.4
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Values are final. Annual mean = 119.6
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: farmfriend (#57)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#62. To: FormerLurker (#42)
Why don't you get back to me when you know the difference between 3 and 129,
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#63. To: FormerLurker (#61)
spotless days 20
one spot group from cycle 23 (southern hemisphere) on 11 days
one spot group from cycle 24 (northern hemisphere) on 1 day (4.1.)
4.1. there were two spot groups at the same time, one from cycle 23
and one from cycle 24
Sunspot number 3.4 (3.1 from cycle 23 0.3 from cycle 24)
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#64. To: farmfriend (#62)
Get back to me when you know the difference between cycle 23 and 24.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#65. To: FormerLurker (#61)
So are you ready to admit that the author lied, and that you were wrong in assuming there were only three sunspots from the beginning of the year through the day he published his editorial?
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#66. To: farmfriend (#63)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#67. To: FormerLurker (#64)
Do you or do you not understand dates and numbers? Does the statement "The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday." confuse you?
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#68. To: FormerLurker (#66)
You refuse to acknowledge 12 is greater than 3.4,
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#69. To: farmfriend (#62)
Get back to me when you know the difference between cycle 23 and 24.
#70. To: farmfriend (#65)
Three spots from cycle 24.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#71. To: FormerLurker (#66)
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#72. To: FormerLurker (#70)
He said there was ONE sunspot in January.
This is where SOHO comes in. The sunspot number follows a cycle of somewhat variable length, averaging 11 years. The most recent minimum was in March last year. The new cycle, No.24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers.
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#73. To: farmfriend (#63)
Sunspot number 3.4 (3.1 from cycle 23 0.3 from cycle 24)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#74. To: FormerLurker (#70)
He said there was ONE sunspot in January. That is a LIE. There were 28 separate sunspots that month.
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#75. To: farmfriend (#72)
No, he said there was one spot from cycle 24.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#76. To: farmfriend (#74)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#77. To: FormerLurker (#73)
He AND you are presenting averaged numbers as if they were ACTUAL counts,
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#78. To: farmfriend (#74)
#79. To: farmfriend (#72)
The new cycle, No.24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#80. To: Rotara (#78)
It's like remedial pre-school class and you got stuck teaching!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#81. To: farmfriend (#77)
No, he represented the same averages you did only English is not his primary language.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#82. To: FormerLurker (#75)
(Edited)
Again, cycle 24 STARTED on January 4th of this year, and has JUST began. Thus far, from what I can see there are ONE HUNDRED SIXTY (160) thus far this cycle.
Sunspot number 3.4% (3.1% from cycle 23 - 0.3% from cycle 24)
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#83. To: FormerLurker (#81)
Are you ready to admit that there were 160 sunspots so far this cycle and that you were lying about there only being ONE?
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#84. To: FormerLurker (#75)
Again, cycle 24 STARTED on January 4th of this year, and has JUST began.
Thus far, from what I can see there are ONE HUNDRED SIXTY (160) thus far this cycle.
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#85. To: All (#83)
There hasn't been 160 spots "this cycle".
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#86. To: farmfriend (#83)
There hasn't been 160 spots "this cycle".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: farmfriend (#84)
Incorrect. Most of those were from last cycle, cycle 23.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#88. To: All (#83)
spotless days 20
one spot group from cycle 23 (southern hemisphere) on 11 days
one spot group from cycle 24 (northern hemisphere) on 1 day (4.1.)
4.1. there were two spot groups at the same time, one from cycle 23
and one from cycle 24
Sunspot number 3.4 (3.1 from cycle 23 0.3 from cycle 24)
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February 2008
spotless days 21
one spot group from cycle 23 (southern hemisphere) on 8 days
none spots from cycle 24
Sunspot number 2.1 (all from cycle 23)
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March 2008 (some ending in April)
spotless days 16
one sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 2 days (5.-6.3.) max size 30 per mil
one sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 1 day (10.3.) max size 90 pm
one sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 3 days (15.-17.3.) max size 20 pm a triplet (3 at the same time 25.3.-31.3.):
first sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 12 days (23.3.-31.3.)
second sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 13 days (24.3.-2.4.)
third sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 13 days (25.3.-3.4.)
max size together 520 pm (26.3.), above 100 from 24.3.-2.4.
none spots from cycle 24
Sunspot number 9.3 (all from cycle 23)
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April 2008
spotless days 20
remnants from sp-gr from cycle 23 1.4.-3.4. (see March)
one sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 2 days (19.-20.4.) max size 20 pm
one sp-gr from cycle 23 (NH) on 3 days (22.-24.4.) max size 40 pm
one sp-gr from cycle 24 (NH) on 2 days (14.-15.4.) max size 10 pm
this is number 2 cycle 24 spot 102 days after the first in January
Sunspot number 2.9 (2.45 from cycle 23 and 0.45 from cycle 24)
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May 2008
spotless days 23 three simultaneous sp-groups from cycle 23 (SH) on 1 day (16.5) ms 45
two sim. sp-groups from cycle 23 (SH) on 4 days (17.5.-20.5.) ms 80
one sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 1 day (26.5.) ms 10
one sp-gr from cycle 24 (SH!) on 2 days (4.-5.5.) ms 20
sunspot number 2.9 (2.5 from cycle 23 and 0.4 from cycle 24)
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#89. To: farmfriend (#83)
There hasn't been 160 spots "this cycle".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#90. To: farmfriend (#88)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#91. To: FormerLurker (#87)
Are you for real? The cycle started 1/4/2008, and by summing the highest value for unique groups of spots up through the end of May, the sum is 160.
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#92. To: FormerLurker (#89)
You do realize that we are IN CYCLE 24 right NOW, don't you?
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#93. To: farmfriend (#84)
Correct. Sort of. Cycle 24 spots have made an appearance but the cycle is still considered delayed since the spots are few in number and weak plus we are still getting cycle 23 spots.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#94. To: farmfriend (#91)
The start of cycle 24 doesn't mean that all subsequent spots are cycle 24.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: farmfriend (#84)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#96. To: farmfriend (#92)
And still getting cycle 23 spots.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#97. To: FormerLurker (#13)
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