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Title: Obama site urges: 'Revolution' against U.S. 'oppressive' regime, Marxists, socialists, communists form group to plot on official campaign blog
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URL Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68462
Published: Jul 1, 2008
Author: Aaron Klein
Post Date: 2008-07-01 11:07:17 by christine
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Views: 176
Comments: 3

JERUSALEM – Marxists, socialists and communists have created a safe space online to congregate, exchange ideas – including a stated revolution against the U.S. "oppressive" regime – and support their favored presidential candidate.

Their meeting spot? Sen. Barack Obama's official campaign website, which allows registered users to form groups and post content in online "community" blogs.

One popular community group on the Illinois senator's official MyObama website calls itself "Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama."

"This group is for self-proclaimed Marxists/Communists/Socialists for the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency. By no means is he a true Marxist, but under Karl Marx's writings we are to support the party with the best interests of the mobilization of the proletariat," states the groups charter.

"We support Barack Obama because he knows what is best for the people!" exclaims the group's online creed.

And on Obama's site, the declared Marxist, communist and socialist bloggers rant against such varied targets as Republicans, capitalism and the Fox News Channel. According to author profiles, the bloggers range from registered voters to underage high school students who state they are looking to foment revolt.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

'bout time the asshats exposed themselves. I've been waiting years to add a few scalps to my wall :P

Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama

This group is for self-proclaimed Marxists/Communists/Socialists for the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency. By no means is he a true Marxist, but under Karl Marx's writings we are to support the party with the best interests of the mobilization of the proletariat. Though the Democratic Socialists of America or the Communist Patty of America may have more Socialististic values, it is pointless to vote for these candidates due to the fact that there is virutally no chance they will be elected on a National level. The members of this group are not Leninists, Stalinists, etc. and do not support or condone the actions of North Korea, China, Cuba or any other self-procalimed "Marxist States." They do not in anyway represent the Marxist philosophy nor do they represent Socialism/ Communsim. We support Barack Obama because he knows what is best for the people!

Capitalism presents an interesting dilemma for the white, upper middle class male, a demographic that, unjustly, has been and continues to enjoy the ripest fruits of capitalism.  On the one hand, a person like me (or anyone else who lives in the economically secure class of citizens of a capitalist nation, especially America) can sit back and enjoy and take advantage of the limitless opportunities afforded them.  Thousands of universities, both domestic and international are within their grasp.  After that, countless occupations with career paths that could lead them to even greater heights on the social ladder await.

          &n bsp;

But on the other hand, this education afforded them (hopefully) enlightens them to see the reality of the perverse economic system that got him or her to the position he now occupies.  He sees a system that takes from those who have less and gives to those who have more.  He sees a system that rewards unscrupulous rule-bending and breaking, a system that attacks the family, moral values, the environment, and even exploits every experience in life itself for money and profit.  And while often isolated and removed from poverty and the uncertainty and paralyzing fear that accompanies it, the enlightened and idealistic youth knows it’s out there and wants that wrong righted.  And so naturally, the youth attacks and turns against the system that caused the suffering to begin with.

          &n bsp;

For the idealistic youth, the one as of yet less polluted and less refined by cynicism, these are the two options: resigning to the crooked system, or complete rejection (at least intellectually) of that system.  But history shows us that rejection of the capitalist order results basically without fail in a lower standard of living for everyone, or at least most involved.  So how can the socially-conscious reconcile themselves to reality?

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Oftentimes, liberals will offer you big government as the solution to a problem.  On the other hand, conservatives will assert that less—much less—government is the sure fix.  Ronald Reagan would have had you believe that government is inherently evil, that government is itself the problem.  But neither of these approaches have solved much: witness LBJ's Great Society and Reagan's social welfare cuts.  America didn't destroy poverty in the '60s, nor did less government in the '80s cause us all to develop better morals.  So what is government's role in solving the socioeconomic problems, and even crises, facing America?  And yes, we do have crises.  What is happening in the majority-black, crack-ridden inner city?  There's a war going on, and most of America doesn't care.  The Katrina victims haven't been properly recompensed, haven't had their homes, their communities, their cities rebuilt.  And the working middle class is being ravaged.  Jobs are leaving, homes are foreclosing, and a way of life is being torn asunder in a silent, faceless genocide.  

Well let me tell you what's what: it is not the government's job to funnel billions into a new program, staffed by more out-of-touch, hapless bureaucrats.  But neither can the government—and the country it serves—preside idly over humanitarian and economic crises.  We do not have the option to do nothing—for we would become monsters, desensitized to any suffering.  Nevertheless, I can understand someone who is hesitant about the government going out and trying to “fix the ghetto.”  Those that are hesitant about such things are not hesitant because they believe those who live in the inner city deserve an opportunity- less, fearful existence.  They’re hesitant because although we’ve tried, we haven’t succeeded, and we’ve run out of ideas besides pumping more money in, money without any organization or resolve behind it.  We must regain the people’s trust in spending their money, and we must do this by spending it wisely and effectively.  We don’t need a federally-administered “War on Poverty,” nor do we need money taken away from such vital institutions like insane asylums, Social Security, or Medicare.  Government is not the solution—people are.  But the destruction of communities because of disappearing jobs and foreclosed homes cannot be solved by good intentions alone.  The cycles of poverty, addiction, recession, and bankruptcy are indeed vicious, and they are also often strong and seemingly endless.  These things cannot be fought just by nice thoughts if we intend to succeed on a broad scale.  There must be force behind effort, not just willpower on the part of a few, but conviction and action by the many.  This is a sentiment Sen. Barack Obama has been emphasizing during his campaign.  This action will not succeed if not taken up collectively.

What I’m saying in short, is that the most effective ways to deal with poverty, declining economic opportunity, and community rebuilding originate from within the community.  And the most efficient way of administering these solutions is by and through the community.  But one of the unfortunate parts of this approach is that community programs often lack breadth, their ability to reach many, because they lack that one important resource that frequently determines whether a program will last or perish—money.  And that is where we need great politico-economic innovation: combining the fantastic depth and effectiveness of community programs with the more-encompassing breadth and monetary resources of a federal or even state program.

Governments must cease to be a bureaucratic parasite that takes large percentages of our income and then swallows it up to be wasted, misappropriated, and disappear into ineffective committees and useless federal oversight programs.  Instead, government must be a tool that like-minded individuals can use to confront—and defeat—a problem bigger than themselves. 

 

Isn't it strange that Fox News continues to harp on pastor Wright comments as if they came out of the mouth of Sen.Obama. Fox News has done no research on John McCain or Hillary, only Sen.Obama. For anyone who watches Fox News and has noticed the complete lack of objective reporting your not alone. Fox News doesn't talk much about crazy comments made by supporters of Hillary or McCain. It seems like there is one standard set for Sen.Obama and another low standard set for Hillary and McCain. Fox News is trying to out-right slime Obama in hopes of making Sen.Clinton and McCain more patriotic. Obama is being labeled Un-American because he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin. President Bush wears these lapel pins and what has that gotten us. Just because someone wears a lapel pin at his choosing doesn't mean that person will tell the truth or can give good judgement calls. The video of pastor Wright that everyone has seen is only being played now to scare up votes for Hillary or McCain. I ask myself why is it that some in Corporate America don't want to see A president Barack Obama? Could it be that perhaps they know that thing will change in how the system works for the average American, and they just don't want to see they're power slip away? I think that's a reasonable assumption after all that they've tried to do to destroy Sen.Obama in the people's eyes. Remember Sen.Obama said change wouldn't come easy and that some powerful people in Washington D.C. don't want to give up the power they have to you the people. I ask everyone who reads this just think for a second logically and wonder to yourself why oh why are they getting hell bent out of shape for something that Sen.Obama didn't say and denounced and rejected it when he learned of the comments in question? If the answer is Obama scares them, is that a bad thing after eight years of a "do anything you want to the American people I don't care president". Keep scaring them for me Sen.Obama I love it!!!!

Mutee08

Tuesday we saw full well that polls can be off, very far off. Some people thought to themselves that the race was over and they didn't have to vote for Obama on the actual day. Polls are never and indicator of what can or will happen on the day of the election. Get out and vote if we are down ten points or up ten points. Caucus if we are up ten points or down ten points. Every vote counts. In New Hampshire I still believe that fraud was played on Obama by Hillary supporters who were bent on not losing two states back-to-back. While I expect the recount to confirm the results of Tuesday's election, I worry about not being able to know definitively whether or not Obama will ever really get a fair shake out of what I believe the people of New Hampshire gave him. It's my belief that Obama did win New Hampshire by 5-10%, but people from out-of-state came in to vote for Hillary. I will not linger on this issue, I would rather move on to Nevada and tell the wonderful people of Nevada that you too have the power to vote for change in a week's time. Whatever the polls say before or on the day of the election please get out of your house or apartments and caucus for Obama. Don't get fooled again like I and so many others were into believing that Obama had won New Hampshire before a single vote had been casted. He did win New Hampshire it just was stolen from him like so many other elections of the past memories. Nevada your momment is now. YES WE CAN!!!. Obama '08.

 Mutee08

Drugs

Well correct me if I'm wrong, but the Democratic Party is not suppose to care about what a person did or is doing. If your gay were told not to judge and I don't. If your poor were told that the Democratic Party cares about you. If your homeless were told the Democratic Party will get you back on track and help you make thing right. If your old your told that Democrats want you to have universal healthcare. If your uneducated your told by Democrats that your education is important and we'll pay for your college, we'll help on student loans. Now all of a sudden the most ardent supporters of the Democratic Party are being told that Barack Obama used drugs. Hey, I thought we were the Party who gave drug addicts clean needles to shoot up with so they wouldn't catch AIDS. Hillary Clinton has rejected not my manifesto but her own Party's manifesto. Democrats don't like being judged and they are told not to judge others either. I would never use someones being an alcolholic,LGBT,drugs,sex,criminal past,religion, etc against them if they were a candidate for president. Hillary Clinton is doing this and more. She can lie like she has no knowledge of people who are payed or who are close friends to her family who are doing these dirty attacks. Politics is dirty, Hillary is just the dirt that makes it dirty. Hillary will not get my vote if she does get the nomination, instead I will vote Green Party. The Democratic Party is no longer the party who don't judge if Hillary gets the nomination. In fact, they will have judged the very group of people they've long pretend to act like they cared for. Hillary Clinton is no democrat and as being a person who will have people say or do anything, I will do everything I can to do just what the Party I hate with all my heart, that would be the Republican Party, would do, "Stop her from becoming President."

 Mutee08   

  A national Consumption tax is something we need very, very, badly.

This bill was created to try and rectify the problems that have emerged from the Federal Income Tax and the IRS's existence.  It would repeal the 16th amendment and put in its place a national sales tax for the United States Government to collect revenue.  

The problem with our current system is that a) The Income Tax is a great violation of personal liberty, with the government forcibly taking our hard earned money and b) The IRS has become a highly sophisticated organization, and nearly incomprehendable to ordinary citizens.  

The FairTax would fix both these problems and then some.  It would allow us to take home all of our paycheck, instead of having it cut to pieces by taxes, and it would end the Income Tax's destruction of our rights.  It would make taxation a choice, meaning it is your choice to go out and purchase luxury commodities and the like.  It would also render the IRS and its highly intricate Tax Code unneccesary and wasteful.  

Economists at Boston University concluded that the FairTax would reward low-income households with 26.3% more purchasing power, middle-income households with 12.4% more purchasing power, and high-income households with 5% more purchasing power.

This issue destroys class and party lines.  It simply logic to endorse something like this, and a National Candidate like Obama would be the best to endorse it.

There are two things that Hillary Clinton has done that deserve immediate scrutiny:

 

1)     She has disregarded the will of the DNC, the only uniting organization between Democrats.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h i/americas/7036562.stm

 

2)  She has given President Bush the authority to attack Iran.  This is a portion of a statement that the Gravel Campaign is circulating.  Though Obama does recognize that it is too early to rule out a strike against Iran, he did not vote on this measure, like the traitor Hillalry did. 

 

It started with Democratic Presidential Candidate Mike Gravel criticizing Senator Hillary Clinton on live TV. Now, two other candidates are catching on. John Edwards and Barack Obama have both followed Gravel's lead, making statements that criticize Clinton's controversial vote on a measure which gives President George W. Bush the cover to attack Iran.

At the September 26 Democratic debate in Hanover, N.H., Gravel first raised the issue, calling the Kyl-Lieberman amendment (S. Amdt. 3017) "a fig leaf to let George Bush go to war with Iran." The Senator went on to say, "I'm ashamed of you, Hillary, for voting for it. You're not going to get another shot at this." You can watch an excerpt of that debate here.

Since then, Edwards and Obama have made similar statements.

While Obama told AP he sees "nothing wrong with identifying the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization," he admits that the vote "could potentially lead to military action in Iran." You can read more about that in today's Union Leader.

Obama was absent the day the vote was cast in the Senate. As a result, he could not vote on it.

Edwards, who calls his vote authorizing the Iraq War a "mistake," followed Gravel in congratulating Senators Chris Dodd and Joe Biden for voting against the resolution

Former US Senator Mike Gravel (D-Alaska), who is also running for the Democratic Nomination, has been sponsoring a new way to view the true meaning of Democracy, and with it, ultimately handing the power of legislation to the people. The National Initiative movement, an effort formed by Mike Gravel's "The Deomcracy Foundation" is a constituional amednment that would enable the people to use ballot initaives to vote alongside existing Legislative bodies, on all levels of government. The organization seems to have worked out just about all of the major technicallities, with many checks to inusre coporations have no power over the system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Initiative

http://www.nationalinitiative.us/

In fact, people would even be able to safely vote through many means, even the internet. This is a grand ideal, one of which many would say is equivalent to the feared "majoritarian dictatorship" or "Mob Rule," and should be whole- heartedly rejected. These people are simply uninformed of the matter. All this system would be doing is essentially adding another check to our horribly malfunctioning Checks and Balancing system. The Legislators have long since abanonded the will of the people for corporate greed and lobbyist bribes. Imagine the leaps forward we would make if the people had command over legisltation. The vast majority of America wants the horrible NAFTA system to be repealed; Congress and the President both refuse to do so, instead choosing fake promises. If there was a national initiatve for it, the will of people would prevail and it would be immediately abolished.

The problem is clear, Gravel is scoring in the 1% range and probably will not recieve the nomination. Which is why I am encouraging you to ask Obama to also endorse this idea. It is a bold one (bold being the one the thing that politicans hate, of course), but if the people were informed on a massive level, I am sure this idea would be well receieved.

I encourage you to spread the word on this, and convince Obama and his numerous supporters to grab ahold of this plan.
In France there is a presidential election voting system of two big votes - round one and round two. In the first round there are 5 or 6 big candidates. All but two are eliminated and there is a second vote to choose the president. With this system, voters don't have to feel guilty because they can choose a candidate out of a large selection. They can choose the candidate of their specific party or interests. If that person doesn't win, THEN they vote for the mainstream candidate they agree with more. Unfortunatally the US doesn't have that system and independent voters here almost always feel guilty. They either feel guilty for throwing their vote away on a candidate they love but know won't win, or they feel guilty for voting for a candidate with a better chance of winning but doesn't share the voter's strong opinions.  ATTENTION INDEPENDENT VOTERS: if you are afraid of the damage another republican president can do to the world and our country, please vote democrat. When you wake up after election night and the burden of shame and anger that rested on your shoulders for nearly 8 years is gone...I assure you guilt will not be what you feel.

Barack Obama fundraising is not only a great start,but those numbers are better than any other candidate.The only other candidate that came close to him is Mitt Romney and he is a former business man,plus governor.So Romney knows big-wigs and Mormons who will fund his campaign.For Obama to raise that amount of money and just be a 2-year senator and state senator in Illinois is huge!!! I'm  proud to say I did my little part in donating $15 early in March.I look forward to giving much more, but I work on a $6.50 an hour job and I'm going to College this summer so it will be hard,but I'm in all the way!!!! BARACK THE VOTE BABY!!!!!!!

 P.S. There has been a user that I keep having to report to the Administration about.Yesterday his picture was that of a pennis,so be on the look out for this user,and please report him.That might be a trick to turn people away from coming on the website period.

LOVE,PEACE,HOPE

Mutee08

Just got a great idea.When I get to 50 friends on my page,Hazel For Obama all my friends on that page can give $1 an I will have met my goal of rising $50.No one is require to do this if they don't want to but I thought it would be easy and very cheap for everyone to do.Please comment if you think this idea is a bad one.Remember if you choose to do this it will only happen when I get 50 friends on my page and you will each only give one dollar.

P.S. This will happen on the day of the 50th friend becoming a friend only on my page,Hazel Crest For Obama.

Mutee08

     According to Marxist doctrine, the proletariat is the only class that can overpower and vanquish the oppressive bourgeoisie.  The petty-bourgeoisie was to schismed and could not possibly be organzed into a revloutionary force.  The peasntry was to far scattered along geograhpical lines and therefore could also never be orgainzed to topple the bourgeoisie.  This, however, was in the 1800's.  It would seem that this is no longer the case. 

     In America, the "pesantry" is not scattered from each other but rather seem to be isolated in certain high- population areas.  The peasantry, though, has historically failed as a revolutionary device.  Mao Tse-tung took advantage of the egregious amount of pesantry for his Revolution, and all that emergred there was a deformed workers state.  Was this due to the pesantry though?  Perhaps, but it is important to remeber that the Red Revolution actually succeded with in the Proletariat Revolution, and failed due to Lenin's pathetic abandonment of Marxist philosophy.  Also from here emerged a deformed workers state, unable to even attempt communism.  So the peastantry may actually be an able mobile for the Revolution, and Maoism may have only failed due to his adherence to Lenin and Stalin's corrupted and twisted "marxist" philolosphies.  To nix the idea of a Peasant Revolution is far from logical.

     This then leaves the Petty- Bourgeoisie.  Are they a possible force of a Revolution?  I believe so.  Not because I think that they could on there own, but because of the fact that they seemed to have assimilated with the Proletariat.  It is no secret that the Proletariat, at least in Marx's defintion of it, is no longer in existence.  Long gone are the days of Industrial workers organizing themselves against the malicious Bourgeoisie.  Now, due to the fact that the Bourgeosise have ascedened only higher since Marx's time, the bourgeoise have abaonded what little of the petty-bourgeoise that sided with them.  They are far above the Petty-bourgeoisie, the Proletariat, and of course the Pesantry.  Because most of America is now apart of the growing "service industry", the Proleatariat and the parts of the Petty-Bourgeoisie have assimilated now into the Neo- Proletariat.  This is essenstially the ever struggling and disregarded middle class of America.  Not the idealistic 'American Dream' Middle class, but the Middle class that must struggle each day with its family and lives on a pay-check to pay-check basis.  Although nothing physical is now 'produced' as the proleatriat did, service is produced and is exploited by the bourgeoisie in an eerily similar manner to the near extinct proletariat.  The middle class is now made up of the laborers who must face the grueling task of providing the bourgeoisie with power and capital.  This assimilation only proves that the Revolution is inevitable.  Eventually, the bourgeoisie controlled government will fail to keep the evergrowing masses at bay, and the Revolution will occur.  The Bourgeoisie is locked in an eventual self-destrcution due to their own greed.  The more they attempt to gain Capital, the more they reap the fruits of the Neo-proletarians labor.  The more they do this, and the more society adavances technologically, the more the classes will assmilate.  This, of course, leads to more and more dissent until finally the pot boils over and the Revoluiton occurs. 

      The Neo-proleatarian is now the bearer of the Revolution.  Thats why I support Obama.  He helps destroy the paradigm of bourgeoisie government, which is best for the Proletariat.  In the end, this will only hasten the Revolution even if the Revolution must come as a massive goverment reform.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-07-01   11:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

Like fly paper. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-01   11:27:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

The Chalk Graffiti Terrorist

That one wasn't completely insane. Still anti-white tho'.

"Dean had a sweater wrapped around his ears to keep warm. He said we were a band of Arabs coming to blow up New York." -- Jack Kerouac, On the Road

Tauzero  posted on  2008-07-01   11:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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