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Title: Obama's Real Patriotism Problem
Source: NRO Online
URL Source: http://corner.nationalreview.com/po ... VkODQ1OGZkZmJhYjY4YmU2MzM4NmM=
Published: Jul 1, 2008
Author: Jonah Goldberg
Post Date: 2008-07-01 23:39:21 by mirage
Keywords: None
Views: 672
Comments: 15

Definitions of patriotism proliferate, but in the American context patriotism must involve not only devotion to American texts (something that distinguishes our patriotism from European nationalism) but also an abiding belief in the inherent and enduring goodness of the American nation. We might need to change this or that policy or law, fix this or that problem, but at the end of the day the patriotic American believes that America is fundamentally good as it is.

It's the "good as it is" part that has vexed many on the left since at least the Progressive era. Marxists and other revolutionaries obviously don't believe entrepreneurial and religious America is good as it is. But even more mainstream figures have a problem distinguishing patriotic reform from reformation. Many progressives in the 1920s considered the American hinterlands a vast sea of yokels and boobs, incapable of grasping how much they needed what the activists were selling.

The Nation ran a famous series then called "These United States," in which smug emissaries from East Coast cities chronicled the "backward" attitudes of what today would be called fly-over country. One correspondent proclaimed that in "backwoods" New York (i.e. outside the Big Apple): "Resistance to change is their most sacred principle." If that was their attitude to New York, it shouldn't surprise that they felt even worse about the South. One author explained that Dixie needed nothing less than an invasion of liberal "missionaries" so that the "light of civilization" might finally be glimpsed down there. These authors simply assumed, writes intellectual historian Christopher Lasch, that " 'breaking with the past' was the precondition of cultural and political advance." Even today, writes Time's Joe Klein, "This is a chronic disease among Democrats, who tend to talk more about what's wrong with America than what's right."

Echoes of these attitudes can be found in Obama's now infamous explanation that "bitter" working-class rural voters won't embrace him because they "cling" to God, guns and bigotry. But Obama's sometimes messianic rhetoric about "remaking" America — and the explicitly revolutionary aesthetics of his campaign — also rings a bell. "I am absolutely certain," he proclaimed upon clinching the Democratic nomination, "that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal." So wait, America never provided care for the sick or good jobs for the jobless until St. Barack arrived? That doesn't sound like the country most Americans think of when they wave their flags on the Fourth of July.

Obama went on to say that he will "remake" the country. Well, what if you don't want it remade? And Michelle Obama — who believes America is "downright mean" and is proud of America for the first time because of her husband's success — insists that Barack will make you "work" for change and that he will "demand that you, too, be different." What if you don't want to work for Obama's change? What if you don't want to be "different"?


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#1. To: mirage (#0)

The Nation ran a famous series then called "These United States,"

I'll take "Travels with Charley," even though Steinbeck's kids say he made up all the conversations with the "real people."


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-07-01   23:42:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: mirage (#0)

Obama went on to say that he will "remake" the country.

This has been the US' problem for decades now. Everyone trying to ram their version of what America should be down everyone else's throat. This nation was founded on the exact opposite idea.

People talk long and hard about how we have to respect those that are 'different', but these same people demand that the state crush all those who lead a life that does not conform to the majority.

Easy Rider nailed it - "We hear about individuality, but when they come across a true individual they're afraid."

Well, what if you don't want it remade? And Michelle Obama — who believes America is "downright mean" and is proud of America for the first time because of her husband's success — insists that Barack will make you "work" for change and that he will "demand that you, too, be different." What if you don't want to work for Obama's change? What if you don't want to be "different"?

Then those people will be ground up and spat out be the ever growing power of the state. You will support what we tell you to support and denounce what we tell you to denounce. All in the name of freedom.

Live your life as you see fit? Pfft, that is so 19th century.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-07-02   0:55:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#2)

Live your life as you see fit? Pfft, that is so 19th century.

Then color us reactionaries. I support leaving people alone so long as they leave others alone.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-07-02   1:14:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: mirage (#0)

Despite the source, the author nails it.

I cannot think of a less credible source than NRO and Jonah Goldberg, unless it be the Plutocrat Party itself.

Well, never mind. the three are redundancies.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-02   9:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: iconoclast (#4) (Edited)

I cannot think of a less credible source than NRO and Jonah Goldberg, unless it be the Plutocrat Party itself.

Goldberg is no more loyal to the US than Barack Obama. His gabbing about "Patriotism" is just neoconspeak for warmongering and Zionism.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-07-02   13:02:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mirage (#0) (Edited)

Goldberg shouldn't be talking about patriotism, it makes him sound like a pickpocket who yells "thief" in a crowd. Obama's Afrocentrism isn't a good thing, Goldberg's Israel first foreign policy views are even worse.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-07-02   13:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: iconoclast (#4)

I cannot think of a less credible source than NRO and Jonah Goldberg, unless it be the Plutocrat Party itself.

The last bit is the salient part.

"What if you don't WANT to march with Obama? What then?"

That is the part that rings true and hence, regardless of the source, that's the point of the matter. What if you don't WANT to be a good little Socialist and march in lockstep? What if you want to be left alone?

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-07-02   14:31:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mirage (#7) (Edited)

"What if you don't WANT to march with Obama? What then?"

That is the part that rings true and hence, regardless of the source, that's the point of the matter. What if you don't WANT to be a good little Socialist and march in lockstep? What if you want to be left alone?

Get out work your ass off for McLame then.

Your kids and grandkids can march for him and his party.

Take two Valiums and call me in the morning

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-02   17:45:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: iconoclast, mirage (#8) (Edited)

mirage: "What if you don't WANT to march with Obama? What then?" That is the part that rings true and hence, regardless of the source, that's the point of the matter. What if you don't WANT to be a good little Socialist and march in lockstep? What if you want to be left alone?

iconoclast: Get out work your ass off for McLame then.

Your kids and grandkids can march for him and his party.

Take two Valiums and call me in the morning

What kind of off-the-wall non sequitur response did you, iconoclast, make to mirage's straight-forward question???? Nowhere did I read in mirage's remarks that he was pro-McCain. All mirage said was that he did not care for socialism or for group think and that he as an individual wanted to be left alone and not be a part of any "movements."

Get a grip, why don't you.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-02   18:14:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: scrapper2 (#9)

What kind of off-the-wall non sequitur response did you, iconoclast, make to mirage's straight-forward question????

I'll make any damned reply I please to Limbaugh/Roveian false-fear BS posts.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-02   20:45:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: scrapper2 (#9)

Nowhere did I read in mirage's remarks that he was pro-McCain.

Here's a bulletin for yuh, scrapper, there's only two candidates left ... and one of 'ems scarier than the decider.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-02   20:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: iconoclast (#10)

I'll make any damned reply I please

I'm not prohibiting you from posting whatever you please. All I'm doing is exercising my option to call you on your illogical remarks.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-02   22:12:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: iconoclast, mirage (#11)

scrapper: Nowhere did I read in mirage's remarks that he was pro-McCain.

iconoclast: Here's a bulletin for yuh, scrapper, there's only two candidates left ... and one of 'ems scarier than the decider.

Here's a news flash for you iconoclast. Why do you assume that mirage likes McCain just because he does not like Obama? Perhaps mirage does not like either of the 2 sold out political empty suits and perhaps mirage is not planning to vote for either Obama or McCain. There's no law that forces us to cast a vote for a Presidential candidate if we find that the candidates of both parties' are undesirable.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-02   22:33:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: scrapper2 (#13)

There's no law that forces us to cast a vote for a Presidential candidate if we find that the candidates of both parties' are undesirable.

And, there's no law forcing me to watch a ballgame though I may not particularly like either team.

I engage in political dialog and political participation because I enjoy the sport, even though it more often resembles professional wresting than baseball. ;-)

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-03   9:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: iconoclast (#8)

Get out work your ass off for McLame then.

Why would I do that?

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-07-04   13:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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