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Title: 'Black national anthem' stirs controversy for city
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URL Source: http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=94919&provider=top
Published: Jul 2, 2008
Author: Jeffrey Wolf
Post Date: 2008-07-02 18:25:22 by Jethro Tull
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'Black national anthem' stirs controversy for city updated by: Nicole Lewis and Jeffrey Wolf reported by: Thanh Truong updated by: Dan Boniface and: Kyle Clark DENVER - Mayor John Hickenlooper's annual State of the City address may get more attention for what wasn't included than what was. “I don’t think it’s fair artistic expression,” said Gov. Bill Ritter (D-Colorado) of the incident. He made the comments on The Mike Rosen Show on 850 KOA on Wednesday. At the start of the event Tuesday morning, City Council President Michael Hancock introduced singer Rene Marie to perform the national anthem. Instead, she performed the song "Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing," which is also known as the "black national anthem." When she finished, the audience responded with mild applause. The national anthem was never performed. Governor Bill Ritter (D-Colorado) discussed the incident on The Mike Rosen Show on 850 KOA on Wednesday morning, calling it "inappropriate." "I don't think it's fair artistic expression," said Ritter. Ritter went on to say he felt Marie's actions were "wrong" and "outside the bounds." "It certainly is operating as a distraction," said Ritter. Marie told 9NEWS she kept her plans to switch songs quiet until the very last moment. She says only she, her husband and a friend knew she was going to sing something other than the "Star-Spangled Banner." She says she wanted to express her love of her country by mixing the lyrics of "Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing" with the melody of the "Star-Spangled Banner." "When I decided to sing my version, what was going on in my head was: 'I want to express how I feel about living in the United States, as a black woman, as a black person,'" said Marie. Hickenlooper's staff picked Marie to sing the national anthem. The mayor says he believes Marie did not intend to offend anyone or make a political statement. When asked if he was offended, Hickenlooper said, "You know I was more confused and I think I was more – what I was, was disappointed and confused and that's why I wanted to talk to her." "Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing" was written as a poem by James Weldon Johnson in 1899 and set to music by his brother in 1900. City Councilman Charlie Brown took to talk radio Tuesday afternoon to criticize the absence of the national anthem at the State of the City proceedings. "There is no substitute for the national anthem, period," Brown said. "And that's what really bothered me. You know when we fly the flag, the American flag, it's always the highest flag, as it should be. And that didn't come across today, that didn't happen today." In hindsight, both Brown and Hickenlooper say they should have stopped Marie or began singing themselves. Marie says if she had the benefit of doing it over, she would sing the same song. When asked if she would apologize for what happened she said, "No I do not." Marie has been singing professionally for 10 years. Brown says he doesn't have a problem with people expressing their views, but he says Marie chose the wrong venue. Below are the full lyrics to "Lift Ev'ry Voice & Sing" LIFT EV'RY VOICE AND SING Also known as "The Black National Anthem" by James Weldon Johnson Lift ev'ry voice and sing, Till earth and heaven ring. Ring with the harmonies of Liberty; Let our rejoicing rise, High as the list'ning skies, Let it resound loud as the rolling sea. Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us, Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us; Facing the rising sun of our new day begun, Let us march on till victory is won. Stony the road we trod, Bitter the chast'ning rod, Felt in the days when hope unborn had died; Yet with a steady beat, Have not our weary feet, Come to the place for which our fathers sighed? We have come over a way that with tears has been watered, We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered, Out from the gloomy past, Till now we stand at last Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast. God of our weary years, God of our silent tears, Thou who has brought us thus far on the way; Thou who has by Thy might, Led us into the light, Keep us forever in the path, we pray. Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee, Lest our hearts, drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee, Shadowed beneath thy hand, May we forever stand, True to our God, True to our native land.
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#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
There is a time and a place for everything. This was the wrong time and the wrong place.
~(:^D
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
This nation is cracked down the middle along racial lines. I offer you Reginald Denny, OJ Simpson, the double racial standard placing whites at a disadvantage, affirmative action, and countless, arrogant incidents like this. White can either resist, join the left or flee. What isn't an option is choosing to ignore the hate flowing at us and our nation.
She's got stars in her eyes & knots on her knees now The American dream on parade.
What a loser. All she had to do was stand there and sing the national anthem, and she FAILED that simple task. And people wonder why South Africa/Zimbabwe/etc. are screwed up....
That is the good part of it. It was nice of her to do this. Thik about it. Authority and custom are preventing us from getting the 9-11 message out better. Hey, she didn't do a song with the Revolutionary Communist Party's slogan, "Red White and Blue, we spit on you." You should chill. Think avoid knee jerk reaction. I mean, is the world going to come to an end because of this? Bet it won't.
Ferret Mike: That is the good part of it. It was nice of her to do this. Think about it. Authority and custom are preventing us from getting the 9-11 message out better. Hey, she didn't do a song with the Revolutionary Communist Party's slogan, "Red White and Blue, we spit on you."You should chill. Think avoid knee jerk reaction. I mean, is the world going to come to an end because of this? Bet it won't. What the singer did was deceive her audience and take advantage of the platform offered to her in good faith to present her very personal black-oriented agenda. She lied and took advantage of other people, Ferret. She's no heroine. She's no truth seeker. She's a selfish con artist.
that's the way i see it too. i'm all for civil disobedience when appropriate, but comparing this woman's selfserving act to getting the message of 911 truth out doesn't wash with me. with all due respect, Mike, your bias is showing.
Fat chance it'll happen with her again ! She'll be relegated to singing at NAACP meetings.
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
No shit ! The ironic thing is that to make a permanent change for the better we will need everyone to be aligned, this sort of behavior only serves to divide. Mike just enjoys dissident behavior for whatever reason. (Sometimes I do too.)
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
If that is what was going on in your head, Rene, it is an indication that you are quite stupid and possibly in need of psychiatric help.
Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.
In her heart, Africa beckons...NOT.
Funny thing -- I have three friends who essentially 'escaped' from Liberia. One is an attorney, one a banker, and one sells insurance. All are exceedingly bright, funny, and well mannered. None have embraced American black culture, and none walk through life in this jive "being black in America" haze. I don't know if this is the exception or the rule, but it's interesting.
Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.
Having lived in and around large black population centers, it is the rule for the majority, sadly to say. I last lived in a small town in NC, majority black, steeet corners in their hood were always alive with the shufflers, nite and day. We were over run with illegals but they worked, never hanging around anywhere.
Rene is a black separatist, which is fine with me, I just think whites should realize there are lots of her types (and feckless white sympathizers).
African African-Americans (I just wanted to type that) have an entirely different perspective, a more appreciative view of America.
With all due respect, the strange compulsion to blight our lives with chronic playing of the anthem occurred during WW II. That war is long over, and we should go back to the pre 1840s standard customs of playing it. This goes double for the pledge of allegiance. I said it more then once already. I'll not say it ever again. That is my bias, and it is a long and stubborn one. Her song tickles me because of that, not because of any issues concerning race.
Oh and they'll always be so eternally wounded too. Oh the horror of it all. Sorry, but surprise is the spice of life, I see delight in this delicious act of musical appreciation. Hey, one of the reasons people wandered this staid, boring and homogenized country to follow the Grateful Dead was to musically and culturally put some zest back into the mix of things. I applaud her act of rebellion.
No more offensive than Mandela singing "Kill Whitey"
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
It is also far less obscene and offensive as the murder of Bantu Steven Biko by racist Afrikaner pigs. Amandla Awetu!
So, you think Sam Kenison was into fucking dead people just because he joked about them in this situation as well?
I don't know what you are talking about. Robnoel mentioned something about killing whitey and it reminded me of this Eddie Murphy bit which I've always thought was hilarious. If you don't like it go fuck yourself.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
I don't know why it's not working, but here is the link. If you haven't seen it yet you'll laugh your ass off. At least I did. http://www.glumbert.com/media/killwhitepeople
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The medai didn't open on my box, I couldn't view it so I had to respond based on the written context. I sure was not attacking; just trying to get your meaning without benefit of familiarity of the material cited. As for the fuck, no thanks dear. I had to work all day and am tired.
Answer this....why is it whites (the majority) in America treat blacks (the minority) different than blacks (the majority) in Africa treat whites (the minority)....unless of course you also buy into the theory that its not a crime to steal rob rape from whites...and for the record why is affirmative action in place in both countries...you should really go and spend time in the country where Biko lived maybe you will come back alive...or more than likely in a box
Mike, there is a racial bias against whites. Period.
People should be more like me...and hate everyone. LOL!
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
Don't pick on Mike. Most whites are sick of the whining, raping and stealing negroes as well as the self- righteous whiteys packing their tax burden with undue costs. Mike's a little slow !
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
That is my bias, and it is a long and stubborn one. Her song tickles me because of that, not because of any issues concerning race. ok. fair enough. i made an assumption...and i'm in agreement with you on the anthem and pledge of allegiance.
I'm tired noone222. I have no patience for liberals. NYC living imprints ones soul.
If Mike had been there he would have played the drums and did a little soft shoe, right Mike????
Thats nonsense. New Yawkers have no soul.
Kitty Genovese
That is a question that is complex. I could write a post long enough to make 'All the king's men' green with envy. In North America, the genocidal wiping out of the native population complete with forced cultural assimilation and the import of Africans who were aggressively disallowed their native culture created people with no cultural anchor and low self esteem. Often the problems cited by racists is a result of expression and practice of the policy of racism. There is allot of murky water for racists to hide in here. South African peoples were never culturally destroyed, and Steve Biko, the father of the Black consciousness movement in SA helped affirm the struggle is defined by and acted upon the belief system and definitions of those people afflicted by racist policies, not by well meaning white allies. South Africa, despite all it's woes will right itself this century and become the country it was meant to be before Europeans came. It will be socially just and economically sound. All that is proved by current problems is that the process of recovery from the fascism called Apartheid is a long and hazard filled road. In this country we need to all realize we are one people and all in this together. The path we take to go as a people were we need to go will be much different here then it will be in SA by virtue of this core difference concerning the health of core cultural identity. And by the fact African Americans are a minority here and a majority there.
I moved out of NYC in 1960 because they started putting armed guards in elementary schools. Moved out here to a bitter small town where we do not even have police, none, nada, fifty years later.
Mike, you may THINK that but surely you do not expect us to believe it?
And you and most others like you so seemingly alarmed by this are all so willing to talk among yourselves turning speculation of the motives of this act of musical street theater, but would never dialog with her or others of her mindset to try to resolve differences. Often in a family quarrel like this, both sides have their faults and components to them that help the dynamics of racism work. Both you and her have your faults and graces, common ground and stark differences. I would suggest people use any political intent as an opportunity to dialog, not fight and deepen divisions. That is my central notion concerning this aspect of this song offering. You take the opportunity to play a Rove-like dividing gambit. I prefer taking the opportunity to dialog and build bridges that aid in needed cultural unity.
You know you are right...I want to confess to all coloureds and blacks in the RSA for every injustice we and our ancestors committed against them. We acted like senseless fools that knew no better, and today we are genuinely sorry for each of these sins, which Have brought only shame and damage over us: 1. We provided doctors and free medical services to them so that they could multiply and breed uncontrollably. 2. We sent missionaries among them in an attempt to introduce the white man's God to them - all in vain. 3. We taught them to read and write and even put their own languages in writing for them. We also taught them elementary arithmetic. We built schools for them and repaired them again & again, after they had trashed and burnt them down. 4. We built factories and trained them to work in them in order to earn money - more than their black brothers have earned in any other African country. 5. We provided free housing for them, cheap transport, the protection of our Police force, and when necessary, they also received free medical treatment in our best-equipped hospitals. 6. We developed farms on which we produced food in order to feed their millions of hungry stomachs. 7. We gave them clothing so that they would not have to go naked as in the time before Jan van Riebeeck, and become ill and die in the harsh winters. 8. We mined the minerals over which they trampled and regarded as worthless gravel and stone under their bare feet for centuries, and we let them share in the profits thereof. Thousands of them are still working in the mines. 9. Our women established welfare organisations to feed and clothe the destitute among them. 10. We built a network of roads on which they kill and maim us today. 11. We built huge dams in order for them to misuse water freely. 12. We spend 90% of our income on their welfare and needs and we do more for them than any other nation would do for its own people. 13. We ensured that during the "darkest days of Apartheid", more blacks in South Africa drove cars than elsewhere in the entire black African continent put together. 14. We built the biggest hospital in the Southern Hemisphere (Baragwanath) dedicated exclusively to the medical well-being of blacks. 15. We created a country where during the "dark days of White rule", millions of blacks from "liberated" black-ruled countries were desperate to sneak in and subject themselves to the horrible jackboot of Apartheid rule. 16. We made sure that they did not rape their own babies and children, such as they continually do today. 17. We provided them with electricity, telephones, clean running water and a superb First World infrastructure in a country which was and still is the economic powerhouse of Africa, notwithstanding their best efforts to return it to barren bush and rack & ruin as is the case everywhere else on this dark continent. For this the world despises us and we have lost all our self-respect. We should not have done it! We are Guilty! We are sorry! We sincerely and humbly ask: May our black 'brethren' forgive us. Please, if possible, forgive us! We did it out of ignorance and meant well!
Awe, Geez, what a load of horse manure. Citation where you got this from please. I would like to know it's author before answering any of this brutally false and ignorant propaganda. Thanks.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest'I want to express how I feel about living in the United States, as a black woman, as a black person,'" said Marie.
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#4. To: farmfriend (#3)
There is a time and a place for everything. This was the wrong time and the wrong place.
#5. To: farmfriend (#3)
#6. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Her crazy grass shift really sways in the breeze now
#7. To: Tauzero (#6)
#8. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Marie told 9NEWS she kept her plans to switch songs quiet until the very last moment. She says only she, her husband and a friend knew she was going to sing something other than the "Star-Spangled Banner."
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#9. To: christine (#1)
"she also put city officials in an uncomfortable position."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#10. To: Ferret Mike, christine (#9)
article: "When I decided to sing my version, what was going on in my head was: 'I want to express how I feel about living in the United States, as a black woman, as a black person,'" said Marie.
#11. To: scrapper2, Ferret Mike (#10)
What the singer did was deceive her audience and take advantage of the platform offered to her in good faith
#12. To: scrapper2 (#10)
She lied and took advantage of other people, Ferret. She's no heroine. She's no truth seeker. She's a selfish con artist.
#13. To: christine (#11)
with all due respect, Mike, your bias is showing.
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
When I decided to sing my version, what was going on in my head was: 'I want to express how I feel about living in the United States, as a black woman, as a black person,'" said Marie.
#15. To: Old Fud (#14)
If that is what was going on in your head, Rene, it is an indication that you are quite stupid and possibly in need of psychiatric help.
#16. To: Cynicom (#15)
In her heart, Africa beckons...NOT.
#17. To: Old Fud (#16)
I don't know if this is the exception or the rule, but it's interesting.
#18. To: Old Fud (#14)
If that is what was going on in your head, Rene, it is an indication that you are quite stupid and possibly in need of psychiatric help.
#19. To: Old Fud (#16)
Liberia.
#20. To: christine (#11)
"with all due respect, Mike, your bias is showing."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#21. To: scrapper2 (#10)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
#23. To: robnoel (#22)
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#24. To: robnoel (#22)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#25. To: Hayek Fan (#23)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#26. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
So, you think Sam Kenison was into fucking dead people just because he joked about them in this situation as well?
#27. To: robnoel (#23)
#28. To: Hayek Fan (#26)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#24)
#30. To: Ferret Mike (#28)
#31. To: Jethro Tull (#30)
Mike, there is a racial bias against whites. Period.
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#30)
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#33. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
With all due respect, the strange compulsion to blight our lives with chronic playing of the anthem occurred during WW II. That war is long over, and we should go back to the pre 1840s standard customs of playing it. This goes double for the pledge of allegiance. I said it more then once already. I'll not say it ever again.
#34. To: noone222 (#32)
#35. To: Jethro Tull, Ferret Mike (#30)
#36. To: Jethro Tull (#34)
(Edited)
NYC living imprints ones soul.
#37. To: Cynicom (#36)
#38. To: robnoel (#29)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#37)
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#38)
South Africa, despite all it's woes will right itself this century and become the country it was meant to be before Europeans came. It will be socially just and economically sound.
#41. To: Jethro Tull (#30)
"Mike, there is a racial bias against whites. Period."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#42. To: Ferret Mike (#38)
#43. To: robnoel (#42)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
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