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Title: Google Ordered To Release Data On YouTube Users
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URL Source: http://www.informationweek.com/news ... icle.jhtml?articleID=208802490
Published: Jul 3, 2008
Author: K.C. Jones
Post Date: 2008-07-03 15:28:55 by angle
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Views: 176
Comments: 14
The owner of YouTube has to turn over user login IDs, records showing when users watched videos, their IP addresses, and numbers that identify the videos. The judge hearing Viacom (VIAB)'s $1 billion copyright-infringement claim against Google has ordered its YouTube unit to provide user histories. Google has to turn over millions of videos it has removed from the video-sharing site, user login IDs, records showing when users watched videos, their IP addresses, and numbers that identify the videos. The order applies not only to videos watched on YouTube but also to videos embedded on third-party Web sites. Google (NSDQ: GOOG) tried to argue that the request, for about 12 TB of data, was unduly burdensome, but U.S. District Judge Louis L. Stanton determined that it would be easy to copy. The search engine company also argued that Viacom's request for the information threatened user privacy because it would disclose viewing and video uploading patterns and link them with login IDs and IP addresses. Stanton characterized those concerns as "speculative" and said Google failed to provide legal justification for that argument. Stanton did decide in Google's favor by turning down requests for proprietary information: indexes showing how Google organizes its videos and ads, as well as the source code for YouTube search, Google search, and the company's new video ID program. The judge also ruled in Google's favor on two other points. He denied Viacom's request for titles, keywords, comments, and flags for inappropriate content, saying that request was too broad. He also declared that private videos uploaded by a user sharing with one other user are protected under the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. Viacom sought the records to prove its claim that YouTube and Google encourage or promote copyright infringement by its users. The case is being heard in federal court in Manhattan. Privacy advocates said that YouTube users' privacy rights would be violated if the information is released. Google's position (and explantion) for saving your searches and IP's can be found at this fabulous Information Week article. "Google Argues User Data Is Public Info" www.informationweek.com/b...xt=search+engines+privacy Or maybe you prefer this article: "Google Has A Privacy Policy That Doesn't Offer Privacy" www.informationweek.com/b...xt=search+engines+privacy Comments from article:
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#1. To: angle (#0)
They must mean that the illusion of privacy rights would be shattered? ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I use Scroogle instead of Google, see for yourself why it's a good alternative search function: www.scroogle.org/cgi- bin/scraper.htm Encryption protocol feature: https://ssl.scroogle.org/sslnote.html
Here's a list of VIACOM companies that should be boycotted; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Atom Entertainment AddictingGames Shockwave Atom.com BET Networks BET BET J BET Gospel BET Hip Hop BET Event Productions BET Pictures BET On Blast BET Mobile BET International CMT CMT Pure Country CMT Loaded CMT Mobile CMT Radio CMT On Demand COMEDY CENTRAL GameTrailers GT Marketplace GoCityKids Harmonix Logo AfterEllen.com AfterElton.com 365gay.com MTV Networks MTV MTV Jams MTV Hits MTV Books MTV Tr3s MTV2 MTVN International TMF (The Music Factory) Game One Flux VIVA QOOB MTV OVERDRIVE Lazona.com MTV Boombox MTV Revolution mtvU mtvU.com College Media Networks RateMyProfessors.com Neopets Nick at Nite Nick Jr. Noggin Nickelodeon Nick GAS Nicktoons Network Nickelodeon Consumer Products Nick Arcade ParentsConnect Quizilla Rhapsody Spike TV Spike Filmed Entertainment The N The Click TV Land VH1 VH1 Classic VH1 Soul VHUno Vspot Virtual Worlds Virtual Hills Virtual Laguna Beach Virtual Pimp My Ride LogoWorld Xfire Paramount Pictures Corporation DreamWorks Studios MTV Films Nickelodeon Movies Paramount Home Entertainment Paramount Pictures Paramount Vantage
Although it is, as a practical matter, impossible for them to do so anymore, I do sort of feel sorry for the predominantly Jewish recording industry which used to take EVERYONE to the cleaners, artists included, for so many, many years. I passed by a strip shopping center the other day where there used to be a Hastings. It's now a Petco. Rarely in history have the Jews suffered such a catastrophic loss in revenue so suddenly. I wonder sometimes why the neocons don't obsess on China rather than Iran. China is the No. 1 intellectual property pirate in the world, bar none.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Justice prevails.
It seems like there's more than just a handful of people that are up in arms over this, and are not only calling for a boycott against VIACOM, but against any company that advertises on VIACOM owned networks or media outlets. Judge Orders YouTube to Give All User Histories to Viacom There's a whole bunch of interesting reading on that blog.
There have to be some rather enticing kickbacks from various "global" schemes to prevent that from happening.
Here's a really interesting point some blogger brought up on the Wired blog; Certainly it's on the mind of any intelligent web surfer.
You're spot on ! Oh man, now they'll know I like the Beatles and George Carlin ... "THEY OWN YOU" ... "It's a big club and you ain't in it "!
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
Scroogle uses Google, so it acts as a proxy for Google searches for now. I wouldn't trust them, there is a reason Google hasn't blocked them. If you want private searches using Google then use an offshore proxy that doesn't keep logs.
God is always good!
They know how often you eat chili my brother! ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Scroogle admits that they could be shut down by Google: "no cookies, no search-term records, access log deleted within 48 hours" Since Scroogle does just one thing, it is fairly fast and simple. But because it does only one thing, it is vulnerable to action by Google. They could block our IP address, which would require that we relay requests to other servers that are more difficult for them to locate. They could also centralize their system more in order to better detect and throttle any outside address that does too many searches per minute. Finally, they could make minor changes in their output format on a regular basis, which would break our scraper and require frequent reprogramming. Any of the above might quickly get too complex and expensive for us, and that would be the end of Scroogle. One action that Google is less likely to take is to serve Scroogle with a cease and desist letter. This introduces the second reason why Scroogle deserves support. As a nonprofit with a history of activism on privacy issues, it would be difficult for Google to sue us on the grounds that their search results and rankings are copyrighted. The main reason for this is that we are noncommercial. None of our sites has ever carried ads, we have zero employees, and our gross annual income is about $10,000. Our lack of commercial intent strengthens our claim that we have the right to scrape Google. It's obvious that we are doing it in the public interest We remain vulnerable to blocking, throttling, or breaking by Google, which unfortunately is legal if they decide to stop us. But the longer Scroogle exists and the more our traffic grows, the stronger our statements become. We cannot survive many more months without at least one more server, even if Google leaves us alone. While we could apply for foundation grants, our experience tells us that foundations are about ten years behind on Internet and other high-tech issues. Any funding proposals we send out would strike them as bizarre and incomprehensible. It's not worth our time to send out proposals to foundations. That leaves us asking lots of Scroogle users for small contributions. Searchers who prefer Scroogle are making a unique statement about important issues. Nothing else we know of is making the same points as effectively.
Where does one find this bastion of freedom ... or how ??? Scroogle google for and offshore proxy ???
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
Privacy advocates said that YouTube users' privacy rights would be violated if the information is released.
#2. To: angle, All, Pinguinite (#0)
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#3. To: angle (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#4. To: FormerLurker (#3)
#5. To: Sam Houston (#4)
I do sort of feel sorry for the predominantly Jewish recording industry which used to take EVERYONE to the cleaners, artists included, for so many, many years.
#6. To: Sam Houston (#4)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#7. To: Sam Houston (#4)
I wonder sometimes why the neocons don't obsess on China rather than Iran. China is the No. 1 intellectual property pirate in the world, bar none.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#8. To: angle, All (#0)
Nobody is seeing the even darker side of this, that Viacom will most certainly willingly hand over any and all info to government agencies, identifying users who watch or subscribe to or upload videos pertaining to political matters, esp. "subversive" material...........this is the real nightmare here and I think this was agreed upon in private before the ruling was made.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#9. To: FormerLurker (#8)
#10. To: Rotara (#1)
They must mean that the illusion of privacy rights would be shattered? ;-)
#11. To: X-15 (#2)
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I use Scroogle instead of Google, see for yourself why it's a good alternative search function:
#12. To: noone222 (#10)
#13. To: RickyJ (#11)
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#14. To: RickyJ (#11)
If you want private searches using Google then use an offshore proxy that doesn't keep logs.
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