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Title: Senator asks if nation's drivers should slow down
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
Published: Jul 3, 2008
Author: JOSEF HEBERT
Post Date: 2008-07-03 21:42:02 by Jethro Tull
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Senator asks if nation's drivers should slow down By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - An influential Republican senator suggested Thursday that Congress might want to consider reimposing a national speed limit to save gasoline and, in turn possibly ease fuel prices. Sen. John Warner, R-Va., asked Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman to look into what speed limit would provide optimum gasoline efficiency given current technology. He said he wants to know if the administration might support efforts in Congress to require a lower speed limit. Congress in 1974 set a national 55 mph speed limit because of energy shortages caused by the Arab oil embargo. The speed limit was repealed in 1995 when crude oil dipped to $17 a barrel and gasoline cost $1.10 a gallon. As motorists headed on trips for this Fourth of July weekend, gasoline averaged $4.10 a gallon nationwide with oil hovering around $145 a barrel.
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Little buddy, gonna shut you down, GTO.
I think they should raise the drinking age to 75 and lower the speed limit to 21.
What a scam!! Hey senator dill weed warner: You SOB-Traitor! My rides all get their best mpg at 75+. KMA! ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I think 50 would be a prudent and safe speed.
I was cruisin' in my Stingray late one night
Wanna go into to the Vespa distribution business?
I know I'll never forget that horrible sight.
Guess you better slow that Mustang down.
Senator Warner comes from two long lists of extinguished gentlemen.. 1. Men that have been US Senators. 2. Men that have slept with Elizabeth Taylor.
Slip Mahoney also used that in a Bowery Boys movie. I was impressed.
Troublemaker
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
True... I was hoping Jethro or someone would take the bait, but alas. Did you see my post re sleeping with Taylor???? I thot sure that would bring all the local hound dogs a baying, no luck.
I think Warner is the only one LIVING....hehehehehehe
Sorry...you'll have to settle for the B team tonight.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
He looks like Dr. Zachary Smith.
Slip Mahoney also used that in a Bowery Boys movie. I was impressed. Are you two related, cuzins maybe????? Here I was baiting the hook looking for a sucker or two and what do I get but two Fish Wardens that come along and blow me and my scam out of the water. hehehehe
Either of you two ...GENTLEMEN... recall seeing a full length photo of Taylor when she was 16???????? Shorts and peasant blouse?????
I don't remember that one. Liz was a very beautiful girl. I may have to dump Hedy.
My ex-wife isn't even 40 yet and she's almost caught up to that old hag in the marriage department. And back in the day, the ex could fill up a leather mini skirt with the best of them. But now...not so much. Kinda the same with Liz. Everything has a shelf life.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
Hey!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont go spoiling an olde mans dream. Still 16 to me. I went looking for the mold she was made from but never found it, would have run me off a few carbon copies to have around.
Hey senator dill weed warner: You SOB-Traitor! My rides all get their best mpg at 75+. KMA! ;-) Regarding the sentiment that the 55-mph speed limit will save fuel.....I call BS on that one. First of all, we will get 0 miles per gallon if we are idling in gridlock traffic (a very real result of speed limits being unrealistically low). Second, today's fuel-efficient vehicles still get many more miles from a gallon of fuel at 75 mph than the behemoths of the '70s could wish to get at 55 mph. Finally, the real reason for a reduced limit is going to be revenue enhancement and an excuse for more federal meddling into state & local affairs. It should also be noted that many stretches of highways have seen a reduction in crashes/fatalities (per million miles driven) after the speed limits were increased. Our highways are relatively well-designed (even though maintenance sometimes is a bit lacking), our cars are safer than ever before & get decent fuel economy compared to horsepower output. The "weak link" is the poor driving skills, which will not be improved by forcing everyone down to the lowest common denominator.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Not this one?:
I'm still waiting on the redhead from The X-Files to come to her senses and call me...and drop that silly restraining order.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
Nope... Bare footed, shorts, blouse, standing on tip toes.
this one's nice
Well, is okay. Most of you are too young to have seen the photo I speak of. It was not a promotional type thing.
Check out the redwood carving of a nude Elizabeth Taylor.
Maybe the "influential" ( what a joke) Republican senator should get his senile head out of his hairy butt and address more pressing national issues than what speed is optimal on freeways. Warner is 81 years old. Isn't it time we start doing intellectual/cognitive testing on these politicians who are warming chairs Capitol Hill in their sunset years? Honestly, at his age Warner might have a hard time passing a driver's test.
Driving the olds back and forth to work at 55-60, one tank lasts 5 days. Driving at a strict 50, one tank lasts 8 days. So, I'm driving 50.
Kudos for you angle...I knew you were hiding the good side of yourself.. Just kiddin, dont get all ruffled up...hehehehehe
I've never seen such an amount of manufactured bull cookies as I do these days! ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Maybe the "influential" ( what a joke) Republican senator should get his senile head out of his hairy butt and address more pressing national issues than what speed is optimal on freeways. Warner is 81 years old. Isn't it time we start doing intellectual/cognitive testing on these politicians who are warming chairs Capitol Hill in their sunset years? Honestly, at his age Warner might have a hard time passing a driver's test. About The Military Commissions Act of 2006 . . . "A writ of habeas corpus which is Latin for 'you have the body' [as proof] is a judicial mandate to a prison official ordering that an inmate be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that person is imprisoned lawfully and whether or not he should be released from custody."(1) "The writ of habeas corpus serves as an important check on the manner in which state courts pay respect to federal constitutional rights. The writ is 'the fundamental instrument for safeguarding individual freedom against arbitrary and lawless state action'."(1) The Signing of the Military Commissions Act (MCA) of 2006 Expressing the pessimist's view was law professor Jonathan Turley who wrote: "The Congress just gave the president despotic powers and you could hear a yawn across the country [. . . ] People clearly don't realize what a fundamental change it is about who we are as a country. What happened today changed us. And I'm not too sure we're going to change back anytime soon."(2) Turley also said that: "What, really, a time of shame this is for the American system. What the Congress did and what the president signed today essentially revokes over 200 years of American principles and values."(3) You can watch this MSNBC video where Keith Olbermann and guest Jonathon Turley, Constitutional Law professor at George Washington University discuss the Military Commissions Act here. About the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2007 . . . The NDAA essentially eliminated the Posse Comitatus Act and re-wrote the Insurrection Act so that the president can declare a 'public emergency' and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to 'suppress public disorder'! "The historic and ominous re-writing of the Insurrection Act, accomplished in the dead of night, which gives Bush the legal authority to declare martial law, is now an accomplished fact."(4) "In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law. It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President’s ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions."(4) The Signing of the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2007 What 'Rights' Have Been Taken From You? "On September 28, by a vote of 65-34, the Senate formally passed S. 3930, the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (MCA). The next day, the House of Representatives followed suit, passing the act by a vote of 250-170, . . . [whereby] "alien unlawful enemy combatants ... [to be] subject to trial by military commissions" without the constitutional safeguards American citizens possess against illegal detainment and judicial railroading."(5) As far as an American citizen is concerned the definition of the term 'unlawful enemy combatant' has ominous import for them. The law states the following: "(1) UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT - (A) The term 'unlawful enemy combatant' means--"(6) "(i) a person who has engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents who is not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who is part of the Taliban, al-Qaeda, or associated forces); or "(6) "Notice that this definition contains no exception for Americans; it throws the blanket over citizen and alien alike by using the word 'person' rather than 'alien'."(5) Gonzales: ‘There Is No Express Grant of Habeas Corpus In The Constitution’ Yesterday, [1/18/07] during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales . . . was debating Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) about whether the Supreme Court’s ruling on Guantanamo detainees last year cited the constitutional right to habeas corpus. Gonzales claimed the Court did not cite such a right, [Specter disagreed] then [Gonzales] added, “There is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution.” Specter pushed back. “Wait a minute. The constitution says you can’t take it away, except in the case of rebellion or invasion. Doesn’t that mean you have the right of habeas corpus, unless there is an invasion or rebellion?” You MUST watch this EXTREMELY DISTURBING video: http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/videos/GonzalesOnHabeas.html#Title Ominously, the full text of the 'Military Commissions Act of 2006' was published by the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations). The fact that the CFR published the 'Act' would appear to be prima facie evidence of the Shadow Government's support for its genesis!(6) The Center for Constitutional Rights commented that the: "Congress is now rubber-stamping a bill that was written by the President which gives the President expansive power to detain without judicial oversight. If the Military Commissions Act is passed, it will grant the President the privilege of kings, allowing him to imprison any critics as alleged ‘enemy combatants,’ never to see the inside of a court room or to have the chance to challenge their detention or their treatment. What would we say if another country passed a law making it legal to snatch U.S. citizens and detain them indefinitely?”(7) Sadly, the American Forces Press Service, propagandized the signing by utilizing the most common form of deception . . . omission. Read how they announced the signing but uttered not one peep about the potentially devastating future it has unleashed.(8) Senator John Warner Martial Law Now Stalks America . . . On October 17, 2006, "Public Law 109-364, or the 'John Warner National Defense Authorization Act of 2007' (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a 'public emergency' and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to 'suppress public disorder'.”(5) What the National Defense Authorization Act does is end the Posse Comitatus Act of 1787. Posse Comitatus is Latin for 'power of the country.' It WAS a "law, [that] was championed by far-sighted Southern lawmakers in 1878. They had experienced a fifteen year military occupation by the US Army in post-Civil War law enforcement. They understood the heel of a jackboot."(9) "In a nutshell, this act bans the Army, Navy, Airforce and Marines from participating in arrest, searches, seizure of evidence and other police-type activity on U.S. soil. The Coast Guard and National Guard troops under the control of state governors are excluded from the act."(9) All these new tyrannical laws have been created obsessively to combat the amorphous concept of 'fighting terrorism' . . . an undefined and ever present boogey man. So not only is the military now permitted to be used around the country, the president can take over the National Guard and the Coast Guard too. It can happen under ANY pretext, at which time the president will become the dictator-in-chief. According to Gen. Tommy Franks, martial law will replace the Constitution after the next terror attack. In an interview with Cigar Aficionado he said: “It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world – it may be in the United States of America – that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important.”(10) Written Dissent to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2007: No matter your opinion of Cynthia McKinney, her 26 page dissent of the NDAA of 2007 is very compelling and highlights the damage and erosion, of tasks and performance, taking place between the police and the military in direct contradiction of our Constitution. The following excerpt is from the section concerning the issue of Posse Comitatus [pp. 30-31 .pdf (pp. 528-529)] which can be found here: (11) This Authorization should also have reaffirmed the principle of Posse Comitatus for military forces, police and contracted security or combat forces. This Constitutional principle creates a bright line between military and police functions. In the wake of the attacks on September 11, 2001, the Bush administration has continued to make widespread and unnecessary changes in laws and administrative powers that undermine the most basic Constitutional principles and protected rights of citizens in a democracy Recently, both President Bush and Senator Mark Warner (VA) have renewed calls to undermine or reverse the Posse Comitatus Act of 1867 [sic - i.e.,1878], which re-established the Constitutional principle and practice of separating military and police functions in a democracy [ours is a Constitutional Republic]. The experience of the founding fathers with the British model that combined the functions was enough to cause them to set that division sharply in administrative powers and civilian command of the military. The principles began to be eroded in the period following the end of the Civil War, and the effective occupation of areas of the south by federal troops who were holding military tribunals, carrying out executions of citizens and usurping local police and judicial control. Their excesses came to the attention of the post-war Congress and they passed the Posse Comitatus Act to forbid the military being used to enforce laws. Further erosion followed the end of the Vietnam War, when police departments were increasingly militarized in training and equipment as well as employing a large number of returning war veterans. SWAT teams were created, a clearly militarized police function, getting training on military bases with advanced weapons. When President George H.W. Bush came into office in the 1980s, his programs made increased use of military troops and equipment in the war against drugs, supporting police and collecting intelligence in regard to civilian crimes. Joint Military Task Forces were created that combined DoD, FBI, SWAT, ATF and local police in sieges at Wounded Knee, Waco, Texas and against MOVE in Philadelphia, using tanks and military explosives.:, President Bush has ample authority under provisions of existing laws on disaster response to mobilize and command any and all federal assets, including military forces. State directed National Guard units have always worked in conjunction with federal troops without being put under federal control themselves. Both National Guard and regular military forces are authorized under federal and state laws to use force to protect lives, property and public safety during a declared emergency. Police functions have been wisely left to local police and state National Guard forces, except when the situation was so dire they could not function. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Incredible - thanks.
Well that may work for you individually but for many people, time is money. In a large metropolitan setting everyone commutes from the 'burbs on large multi-laned freeways at varied high speeds. Varied high speeds is what keeps traffic moving. If some jack-hat senile politician tinkers with varying high speed limits allowed in that game plan ( which has worked pretty well for umpteen years), commerce will be negatively affected as traffic will slow down to a crawl. No one is going to be happy saving a few dollars in chump change by wasting precious work/play time sitting in gridlock.
Thanks for reminding me about sleep-walking Warner voting for those God awful jack-boot-enabling laws. That proves Warner needs his head examined.
I agree. I was only offering my own observations. No discredit to your particularly good rants.
Thanks for the compliment...I think....chuckle...I do love ranting...
that's a great clip. big Sur is one of my favorite places in the world. what a shame that a forest fire has engulfed over 60,000 acres up there last i heard. driving up PCH you see all sorts of little what look like abandoned shacks and tiny houses on green pastures and cliffs overlooking the ocean. (not far from hearst castle). I cant help but think, good grief where the hell are the owners of those houses and why arent they living there? Imagine where they must live to pass up an opportunity to live there. I think big sur is one of the most beautiful places in the world., although perhaps if i travelled more i'd come to a different conclusion. ;-)
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." Dick and Liz bought property there on an impulse and never even stayed there. It's a bit of a snooty status symbol for people who pretend to be above and beyond conspicuous consumption and ostentatious displays of wealth. Of course, for artists who go there to "live in seclusion" it's about the fastest way to get their work in a Paris gallery, or a Hollywood flick. Here's the Nepenthe Restaurant webcam looking from their deck to the coast. Last time I checked the smoke had the visibility down to about 10 feet. Sculptor Edmund Kara's PHOENIX BIRD is also on display at the restaurant. It's still dark in CA right now. It usually looks like this: EDIT at 5:09 Pacific-it's still as smokey as before there I see.
I've already said too much.
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#5. To: MUDDOG (#1)
#6. To: Esso (#2)
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
I've already said too much.
#8. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Senator asks if nation's drivers should slow down
I've already said too much.
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
You better listen up.
#10. To: Cynicom (#9)
extinguished gentlemen..
I've already said too much.
#11. To: Cynicom (#4)
I think 50 would be a prudent and safe speed.
#12. To: orangedog (#11)
Troublemaker
#13. To: MUDDOG (#10)
Slip Mahoney also used that in a Bowery Boys movie. I was impressed.
#14. To: Cynicom (#12)
I was hoping Jethro or someone would take the bait, but alas.
#15. To: Cynicom (#13)
I think Warner is the only one LIVING....hehehehehehe
I've already said too much.
#16. To: MUDDOG, orangedog (#10)
extinguished gentlemen..
#17. To: MUDDOG, orangedog (#15)
#18. To: Cynicom (#17)
I've already said too much.
#19. To: Cynicom (#17)
Either of you two ...GENTLEMEN... recall seeing a full length photo of Taylor when she was 16???????? Shorts and peasant blouse?????
#20. To: orangedog (#19)
But now...not so much. Kinda the same with Liz. Everything has a shelf life.
#21. To: Rotara (#3)
What a scam!!
Lord Acton
#22. To: Cynicom (#17)
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#24. To: angle (#22)
#25. To: Cynicom (#24)
#26. To: christine (#25)
this one's nice
#27. To: Cynicom, christine, lodwick (#26)
#28. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
(Edited)
An influential Republican senator suggested Thursday that Congress might want to consider reimposing a national speed limit to save gasoline and, in turn possibly ease fuel prices.
#29. To: scrapper2 (#28)
#30. To: angle (#29)
#31. To: James Deffenbach (#21)
#32. To: scrapper2 (#28)
An influential Republican senator suggested Thursday that Congress might want to consider reimposing a national speed limit to save gasoline and, in turn possibly ease fuel prices.
"(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the president or the secretary of defense ."(6)
All Americans should know that the suspension of the 'writ of habeas corpus' by the 'Military Commissions Act of 2006' is a violation of Article 1, Section 9 of the U. S.Constitution which states: "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."
#33. To: HOUNDDAWG (#27)
#34. To: angle (#29)
Driving the olds back and forth to work at 55-60, one tank lasts 5 days. Driving at a strict 50, one tank lasts 8 days. So, I'm driving 50.
#35. To: Rotara (#32)
#36. To: scrapper2 (#34)
Well that may work for you individually but for many people, time is money.
#37. To: angle (#36)
I agree. I was only offering my own observations. No discredit to your particularly good rants.
#38. To: HOUNDDAWG (#27)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#39. To: Artisan (#38)
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