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Title: Australian Researchers Warn of Global Cooling
Source: Daily Tech (Aus)
URL Source: http://www.dailytech.com/Australian ... lobal+Cooling/article12250.htm
Published: Jul 4, 2008
Author: Michael Asher
Post Date: 2008-07-04 01:00:25 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Global, cooling, warming
Views: 692
Comments: 86

"Spin-orbit coupling" to blame; effects could last decades.

A new paper published by the Astronomical Society of Australia is warning of upcoming global cooling due to lessened solar activity. The study, written by three Australian researchers, has identified what is known as a "spin-orbit coupling" affecting the rotation rate of the sun. That rotation, in turn, is linked to the intensity of the solar cycle and climate changes here on Earth.

The study's lead author, Ian Wilson, explains further, "[The paper] supports the contention that the level of activity on the Sun will significantly diminish sometime in the next decade and remain low for about 20 - 30 years."

According to Wilson, the result is a strong, rapid pulse of global cooling, "On each occasion that the Sun has done this in the past the World’s mean temperature has dropped by ~ 1 - 2 C."

A 2 C drop would be twice as large as all the warming the earth has experienced since the start of the industrial era, and would be significant enough to impact global agriculture output.

Earlier this year, astronomers from around the world noted solar activity was suspiciously low; some began predicting global cooling at that time. Since then, activity has remained far below average, with it now being over two months since a single sunspot has appeared on the surface of the sun.

In May, a team of German climatologists published research stating that, due to "natural effects", global warming would halt for up to 15 years.

The new paper appears in the June issue of PASA, Publications of the Astronomical Society of Australia.

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#16. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ, who knows what evil, Sam Houston, DWornock (#13)

The situation with sunspots from July 2007 to June 2008.

The cycle 23 that began already in 1996 still reigns superior. There was no cycle 24 spots in June.

From cycle 24 there are three tiny signatures: one in January (1 day), one in April (2 days) and one in May (2 days).

In 2008 there has been 16 groups from cycle 23 lasting together 91 days, and 3 groups from cycle 24 lasting together 5 days.

From July 2007 to December 2007
month
year
spotless days
days with below 10 Wolfs (1 sunspot group)
days with below 20 Wolfs (most probable 2 groups)
days between 20-30 Wolfs (3-4 groups)
07 2007 08 10 09 04
08 2007 08 22 01
09 2007 22 07 01
10 2007 28 02 01
11 2007 24 04 02
12 2007 12 05 05 08

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January 2008
spotless days 20
one spot group from cycle 23 (southern hemisphere) on 11 days
one spot group from cycle 24 (northern hemisphere) on 1 day (4.1.)
4.1. there were two spot groups at the same time, one from cycle 23
and one from cycle 24
Sunspot number 3.4 (3.1 from cycle 23 0.3 from cycle 24)

-------------------------------------------------------------------

February 2008
spotless days 21
one spot group from cycle 23 (southern hemisphere) on 8 days
none spots from cycle 24
Sunspot number 2.1 (all from cycle 23)

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March 2008 (some ending in April)
spotless days 16
one sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 2 days (5.-6.3.) max size 30 per mil
one sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 1 day (10.3.) max size 90 pm
one sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 3 days (15.-17.3.) max size 20 pm
a triplet (3 at the same time 25.3.-31.3.):
first sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 12 days (23.3.-31.3.)
second sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 13 days (24.3.-2.4.)
third sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 13 days (25.3.-3.4.)
max size together 520 pm (26.3.), above 100 from 24.3.-2.4.
none spots from cycle 24
Sunspot number 9.3 (all from cycle 23)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

April 2008
spotless days 20
remnants from sp-gr from cycle 23 1.4.-3.4. (see March)
one sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 2 days (19.-20.4.) max size 20 pm
one sp-gr from cycle 23 (NH) on 3 days (22.-24.4.) max size 40 pm
one sp-gr from cycle 24 (NH) on 2 days (14.-15.4.) max size 10 pm
this is number 2 cycle 24 spot 102 days after the first in January
Sunspot number 2.9 (2.45 from cycle 23 and 0.45 from cycle 24)

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May 2008
spotless days 23
three simultaneous sp-groups from cycle 23 (SH) on 1 day (16.5) ms 45
two sim. sp-groups from cycle 23 (SH) on 4 days (17.5.-20.5.) ms 80
one sp-gr from cycle 23 (SH) on 1 day (26.5.) ms 10
one sp-gr from cycle 24 (SH!) on 2 days (4.-5.5.) ms 20
sunspot number 2.9 (2.5 from cycle 23 and 0.4 from cycle 24)

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June 2008
spotless days 19
one sunspot group from cycle 23 (SH) on 4 days (10.-13.5.) msize 40
one sunspot group from cycle 23 (SH) on 7 days (16.-22.5.) msize 20
no sunpot groups from cycle 24
sunspot number 3.1

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The 12-monthly best fit gives around the year 1797. The Dalton minimum reigned 1798-1823. It's anybody's guess what happens next. At least the Earth is already cooling.
Sunspot number from Jan to June = 3, 2, 9, 3, 3, 3 = 23.7 = 22.55(from 23) + 1.15(from 24).
Spotless days Jan to June = 20, 21, 16, 20, 23, 19 = 65%.
Can Sun continue this way for long? Yes, it can. The lack of cycle 24 spots, the almost ghost-like 23-spot in 16.-22.6. really had only one spot, and at the same time radio flux of 10.7 cm was amazing 65. What is lacking? Wholly spotless months. Whatever perspective one has, my educated guess is that either July or August will be wholly spotless. Almost all solar parameters are so low, that at least it would not be surprising.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-04   15:31:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: FormerLurker (#14)

with nothing but hot air to back up your arguments.

If you can refute what I am posting then do so.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   15:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#16)

Sorry didn't get you included in the above post.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-04   15:31:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent, farmfriend, christine, Ferret Mike, angle, Chicken Little (#0)

Since then, activity has remained far below average, with it now being over two months since a single sunspot has appeared on the surface of the sun.

The above quote from the article is an absolute lie. Below is the number of sunspots per day up through the end of June 2008. Apparently the author doesn't count very well, or doesn't know where to look up sunspot data.

Note: The values at the bottom row of the table below indicate the average number of sunspots per day for that month. One person here had to tried to say those were the actual number of sunspots for the month, where it is quite obvious that is not the case.

From ftp://ftp.ngd c.noaa.gov/STP/SOLAR_DATA/SUNSPOT_NUMBERS/2008

                          DAILY SUNSPOT NUMBERS 2008
===============================================================================
 Jan   Feb   Mar   Apr   May   Jun   Jul   Aug   Sep   Oct   Nov   Dec   Yr Day
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   7    11     0    16     0     0                                      2008 01
   7     9     0     9     0     0                                      2008 02
   7     9     7     9     0     0                                      2008 03
  12     8     0     7     7     0                                      2008 04
  10     0     0     0     8     9                                      2008 05
  11     0     8     0     0     0                                      2008 06
  11     0     0     0     0     0                                      2008 07
   9     0     0     0     0     0                                      2008 08
   0     0     0     0     0     0                                      2008 09
   8     0     9     0     0     9                                      2008 10
   8     0     0     0     0     8                                      2008 11
   0     0     0     0     0     0                                      2008 12
   0     0     0     7     8     8                                      2008 13
   0     0     0     7     0     0                                      2008 14
   0     0     7     0     9     7                                      2008 15
   0     0     7     0    14     7                                      2008 16
   0     0     7     0    12     7                                      2008 17
   0     0     0     0    15     8                                      2008 18
   0     0     0     8    11     7                                      2008 19
   0     0     0     0     7     8                                      2008 20
   0     0     0     0     0     8                                      2008 21
   0     0     0     8     0     8                                      2008 22
   0     0     0     8     0     0                                      2008 23
   0     0    19     7     0     0                                      2008 24
   0     8    32     0     0     0                                      2008 25
   0     8    36     0     0     0                                      2008 26
   0     8    35     0     0     0                                      2008 27
   0     0    34     0     0     0                                      2008 28
   0     0    30     0     0     0                                      2008 29
   8          31     0     0     0                                      2008 30
   8          25           0                                            2008 31
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   3.4   2.1   9.3   2.9   2.9   3.1
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Values are preliminary after Dec 07.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   15:36:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: farmfriend (#16) (Edited)

You're quite good at posting meaningless gobblygook in an attempt to confuse the subject. There have been MANY more than just one sunspot this year, unlike what you were trying to say on another thread.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   15:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: RickyJ (#11)

If runaway greenhouse gasses were possible on Earth then it would have already occurred by now.

Really? That's not what physicists and various researchers who study the Earth's climate have to say on the subject. What evidence can you provide, that you, RickyJ, an anonymous poster on an Internet forum, are correct and they are wrong?

The Earth does not have a relatively static atmosphere like Venus has, its constant winds at the jet stream level ensure that most heat from Earth leaves through convection.

How do YOU know what the Venusian atmosphere was like prior to its oceans evaporating, or how it was millions of years ago? Are you a planetary scientist who has studied the data, or are you just giving us your uneducated opinion?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   15:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: FormerLurker (#21)

How do YOU know what the Venusian atmosphere was like prior to its oceans evaporating

How do YOU know it ever had oceans?

Are you just giving us your uneducated opinion, or are you just parroting the global warming scientists who are funded by the government and the elite?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   15:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: FormerLurker (#21)

Really? That's not what physicists and various researchers who study the Earth's climate have to say on the subject.

Actually that is exactly what the MAJORITY of them have to say about it.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   15:53:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: RickyJ (#15)

The high temperature in Springfield yesterday was only 69 degrees. This is the coldest high temperature on record for July 3. The old record of 70 degrees was set in 1892.

ANY legitimate scientist will agree that short term weather patterns do NOT reflect long term global trends. Then again you probably already knew that, right?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   15:56:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: RickyJ (#23)

Actually that is exactly what the MAJORITY of them have to say about it.

Prove it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   15:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: RickyJ (#22)

How do YOU know it ever had oceans?

That is what planetary scientists have been able to determine. Funny how you agree with those calling themselves scientists when it suits your agenda, but claim they don't know what they're talking about when the data disagrees with your position.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   15:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: RickyJ (#22)

are you just parroting the global warming scientists who are funded by the government and the elite?

It is YOU who parrots what Exxon scientists funded by the elite have to say.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   15:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: FormerLurker (#26)

That is what planetary scientists have been able to determine.

Wrong! That's the opinion of some of them. They have not determined it ever had oceans.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   16:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FormerLurker (#25)

http://www.petitionproject.org/index.html

31,072 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,021 with PhDs

How many SCIENTISTS are on the government elite global warming scam side? Hint: Al Gore doesn't count.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   16:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: RickyJ (#28)

Wrong! That's the opinion of some of them. They have not determined it ever had oceans.

No, YOU are wrong. It is the most widely accepted theory. We of course can not know for SURE what was there millions of years ago, we have to rely on geological features and other data to determine how the planet may have been back then.

Early Venus Had Oceans, May Have Been Habitable

Did Venus's ancient oceans incubate life?

How Venus Lost Its Oceans

Venus


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   16:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: FormerLurker (#30) (Edited)

No, YOU are wrong.

No you are wrong. I am threw with this nonsense from you. Learn what the word determined means and then get back to me.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   16:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: RickyJ (#29)

http://www.petitionproject.org/index.html

31,072 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,021 with PhDs

Well it's certainly a large list, but since there isn't any contact info for any of the individuals listed, for all I know they either made up the names or ran a webcrawler that found anyone with the Phd next to their name and inserted it into their list.

I'll see if I can actually verify if any of those people did in fact sign the list.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   16:28:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: RickyJ, Former Lurker (#22)

are you just parroting the global warming scientists who are funded by the government and the elite?

All the false fear, BS re global warming is being propagated by and for Pols and one-worlders.

It's manna from state sponsored leeches for them.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-04   16:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: RickyJ (#31)

I am threw with this nonsense from you. Learn what the word determined means and then get back to me.

Learn how to spell the word THROUGH and look up what it means prior to using it in a sentence. You might not look like such an ignorant ass next time.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   16:29:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: iconoclast (#33)

All the false fear, BS re global warming is being propagated by and for Pols and one-worlders.

It's manna from state sponsored leeches for them.

The oil companies are siding with the ANTI global warming people. What's that tell you?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   16:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: iconoclast (#33)

Do you or do you not agree that the article posted here is a pile of dog dung, and that it lies about the current solar activity in order to make people think we are in danger of experiencing global cooling?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   16:32:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: RickyJ (#29)

31,072 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,021 with PhDs

Yeah, they've got the petition in one pocket and a submission for a gubmint grant in the other.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-04   16:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: iconoclast (#37)

Yeah, they've got the petition in one pocket and a submission for a gubmint grant in the other.

I think I'll have to agree with you on that...

Those who have signed such a petition are dismissing global warming out of hand, and I can't see how a neutral scientist can do that in regards to the subject, when those with the resources and backgrounds to study such things have said the opposite.

If anything, a neutral person would advise caution on the matter, even if they may not totally agree on the chance that we are in danger of major climate changes if the current trend is not stopped.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   16:37:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: FormerLurker (#36)

dung?

Maybe, but, then again, maybe these Australians are the embodiment of that guy Diogenes was lookin' for.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-04   16:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: FormerLurker (#38)

I think I'll have to agree with you on that...

Sorry, but we don't agree .... I thought the petition in question was the one from the other team side of the issue.

I bad.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-04   16:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: FormerLurker (#38) (Edited)

when those with the resources and backgrounds to study such things have said the opposite.

The resources? Yeah, those government checks! LOL! CO2 caused Global warming on Earth is not SCIENCE you nut, it is total BS.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   16:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: iconoclast, RickyJ (#37)


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:00:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: (#42)


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:01:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: christine (#0)

I must have missed a tag in post 42. Tried to fix it in post 43 but it didn't work.

Can you please delete 42 and 43, I'll repost it after I fix the HTML.

Thanks.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: FormerLurker (#44)

done

christine  posted on  2008-07-04   17:13:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: christine (#45)

Thanks.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:15:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: iconoclast, RickyJ (#37) (Edited)

It appears that the author of the petition simply made up the listed names on his "petition" in many cases.

700 Club anchor touted global warming skeptics' petition reportedly signed by non-scientists, fictitious characters


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: RickyJ, iconoclast, All (#41)

The resources? Yeah, those government checks!

Speaking of governement checks, did you know that Frederick Seitz, the author of the petition you tried to pass off as legitimate, used to be a paid consultant for RJ Reynolds, and that he is known to be friends with those who side with the oil companies as well?

From Frederick Seitz

 
Classification: Tobacco Science Advisor

Frederick Seitz
"Not Sufficiently Rational"

Frederick Seitz and the Tobacco Industry

Seitz is the former principal scientific advisor to the RJ Reynolds medical research program.

A May, 2006 Vanity Fair article by Mark Hertsgaard outlines the central role Seitz in a $45 million "medical research" program in the 1970's and 80' for tobacco-giant RJ Reynolds:

'They didn't want us looking at the health effects of cigarette smoking,' says Seitz, who is now 94— but it nevertheless served the tobacco industry's purposes. Throughout those years, the industry frequently ran ads in newspapers and magazines citing its multi-million-dollar research program as proof of its commitment to science—and arguing that the evidence on the health effects of smoking was mixed."

Last year, DeSmogBlog uncovered a 1989 internal memo from tobacco company Philip Morris explaining that Seitz "is quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice."

To quote: "I spoke with Bill Hobbs [RJ Reynolds] about arranging an appointment for you with Dr. Fred Seitz, former head of Rockerfeller University and the principal scientific advisor to the RJ Reynolds medical research program. Bill told me that Dr. Seitz is quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice."

Seitz and Global Warming

Seitz is listed as the Chair of an organization called the Science and Environment Policy Project (SEPP) . The founder of SEPP is Fred Singer, a very well-known climate change denier. Singer is also well-known for his willingness to take money from the oil industry.

Seitz and the Oregon Petition

In 1998, an initiative called the "Oregon Petition" was organized by Fred Seitz and another individual named Art Robinson.

The Oregon Petition has been used by climate change deniers as proof that there is no scientific consensus, however they fail to note the controversy surrounding the petition itself. In April 1998, Robinson’s Oregon Institute, along with the Exxon- backed George C. Marshall Institute, co-published the infamous “Oregon Petition” claiming to have collected 17,000 signatories to a document arguing against the realities of global warming.

The petition and the documents included were all made to look like official papers from the prestigious National Academy of Science. They weren’t, and this attempt to mislead has been well- documented.

Along with the petition there was a cover letter from Seitz. Also attached to the petition was an apparent “research paper” titled: Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide. The paper was made to mimic what a research paper would look like in the National Academy’s prestigious Proceedings of the National Academy journal. The authors of the paper were Robinson, Sallie Baliunas, Willie Soon (both oil-backed scientists) and Robinson’s son Zachary.

The petition was so misleading that the National Academy issued a news release stating that:

"The petition project was a deliberate attempt to mislead scientists and to rally them in an attempt to undermine support for the Kyoto Protocol. The petition was not based on a review of the science of global climate change, nor were its signers experts in the field of climate science."

 


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:27:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: RickyJ (#41)

Looks like you're a pro at posting false info there bud. I wonder why you would do that here on the 4um?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: FormerLurker (#26)

Another major theory that contradicts the Venus had oceans theory is held by some planetary scientists.

Water in the Universe


The second major model is referred to as the "steady-state model." According to this theory, the ratio results from a balance between sources of water and fractionation losses, with the total abundance of water remaining constant over time. This theory basically states that Venus' total amount of water has remained constant through the ages and the source of the D/H ratio is terrestrial-like (likely volcanic).

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   17:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: FormerLurker (#20)

There have been MANY more than just one sunspot this year, unlike what you were trying to say on another thread.

I said no such thing.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-04   17:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: RickyJ (#50)

Nice try pal, but you apparently overlooked the MAJORITY of what your link refered to...

From your link;

Measurements made by the Pioneer Venus Orbiter during the latter stages of its fourteen-year exploration of Venus (which ended in late 1992) suggest that the planet very well could have been relatively wet in the distant past. This spacecraft found that the ratio of deuterium (hydrogen with an added neutron) to plain hydrogen is some 150 times greater than on Earth. This excess is likely due to the escape of the lighter isotope (plain hydrogen) over the ages. If this is the case, then Venus may have had 150 times as much water as it does today.

Current models assume that Venus initially had an Earth-like deuterium to hydrogen ratio (D/H) which has risen due to atmospheric evolution. With the results of these D/H tests in hand, two predominant theories exist as to the reasoning for this alarming ratio. The first is the "primordial-ocean model", which interprets the high D/H ratio as the result of the fractionation loss from a large initial ocean-like body of water. This theory argues that Venus once had reservoirs of water (or even oceans), but lost it as the water vapor in its upper atmosphere was broken into its components, and the lighter hydrogen escaped into the solar system. Supporters of this model believe that Venus started off wet because it could not avoid receiving some of the same volatile-rich material that formed on Earth (because of its similar size and proximity). The abundance of deuterium in comparison with hydrogen represents the notion of this theory's followers that the water's ordinary hydrogen escaped, while the much heavier form of hydrogen (deuterium) stayed behind because of its weight. Supporters of this theory are enthusiastic about the possibility that Venus once had large quantities of water.

The second major model is referred to as the "steady-state model." According to this theory, the ratio results from a balance between sources of water and fractionation losses, with the total abundance of water remaining constant over time. This theory basically states that Venus' total amount of water has remained constant through the ages and the source of the D/H ratio is terrestrial-like (likely volcanic).

If Venus did in fact have oceans at some point in time, then the implications of this could be remarkable. Although these oceans would have likely existed at near boiling temperatures for much of the time, the possibility still exists that life could have arisen in these bodies of water.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: FormerLurker (#47)

You can believe the government Jew sponsored lies about CO2 causing global warming on Earth if you want to, but you can't do so based on science.

You have demonstrated that you are a irrational nut, devoid of even simple logic and common sense.

If runaway greenhouse gasses were possible one Earth then it would have already occurred. Only a moron can't see that.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   17:42:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: FormerLurker (#35)

The oil companies are siding with the ANTI global warming people. What's that tell you?

About the same thing that James Hansen's lifetime career as a gubmint bureaucrat tells me.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-04   17:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: farmfriend (#51)

I said no such thing.

You implied it by posting material that simply confused the subject when I attempted to show that there were a good number of sunspots thus far this year, and you kept hopping on the fact that there had only been one in January for this solar cycle, where it must have taken about a hundred posts for you to concede that there were MANY more than that one from the PREVIOUS solar cycle, which were STILL occuring.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:44:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: iconoclast (#54)

About the same thing that James Hansen's lifetime career as a gubmint bureaucrat tells me.

Do you also disbelieve the EPA scientists that were trying to warn the public about the dangers of water fluoridation, or the FDA scientists that determined that Aspartame is toxic and unfit for human consumption?

Would you rather believe a petition that has been shown to be fraudulent?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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