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Title: Australian Researchers Warn of Global Cooling
Source: Daily Tech (Aus)
URL Source: http://www.dailytech.com/Australian ... lobal+Cooling/article12250.htm
Published: Jul 4, 2008
Author: Michael Asher
Post Date: 2008-07-04 01:00:25 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Global, cooling, warming
Views: 1636
Comments: 86

"Spin-orbit coupling" to blame; effects could last decades.

A new paper published by the Astronomical Society of Australia is warning of upcoming global cooling due to lessened solar activity. The study, written by three Australian researchers, has identified what is known as a "spin-orbit coupling" affecting the rotation rate of the sun. That rotation, in turn, is linked to the intensity of the solar cycle and climate changes here on Earth.

The study's lead author, Ian Wilson, explains further, "[The paper] supports the contention that the level of activity on the Sun will significantly diminish sometime in the next decade and remain low for about 20 - 30 years."

According to Wilson, the result is a strong, rapid pulse of global cooling, "On each occasion that the Sun has done this in the past the World’s mean temperature has dropped by ~ 1 - 2 C."

A 2 C drop would be twice as large as all the warming the earth has experienced since the start of the industrial era, and would be significant enough to impact global agriculture output.

Earlier this year, astronomers from around the world noted solar activity was suspiciously low; some began predicting global cooling at that time. Since then, activity has remained far below average, with it now being over two months since a single sunspot has appeared on the surface of the sun.

In May, a team of German climatologists published research stating that, due to "natural effects", global warming would halt for up to 15 years.

The new paper appears in the June issue of PASA, Publications of the Astronomical Society of Australia.

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#1. To: farmfriend, FormerLurker, christine, Ferret Mike, angle, Chicken Little, Algore, all (#0)

(((((The Sky is "falling" Ping or Global One or the Other Ping)))))

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-07-04   1:03:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent, *Agriculture-Environment* (#1)

Landscheidt minimum here we come.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-04   1:14:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: farmfriend (#2)

Think Down Coat.

However, the Global Warming scare has been so thoroughly sold that there will still be people who insist we are experiencing Global Warming with an overall decline in Global temperatures.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-07-04   1:22:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#3) (Edited)

However, the Global Warming scare has been so thoroughly sold that there will still be people who insist we are experiencing Global Warming with an overall decline in Global temperatures.

Those same people understand very little about how the greenhouse gas CO2 actually warms the Earth. It does it in two narrow bands, one of which is insignificant because very little IR radiation form Earth is radiated in that band, the other one is already mostly covered by water vapor now. Water vapor is the number one greenhouse gas by far on Earth. If runaway greenhouse gasses were possible on Earth then it would have already occurred by now. The Earth does not have a relatively static atmosphere like Venus has, its constant winds at the jet stream level ensure that most heat from Earth leaves through convection. The Global warming scam never was about concern for the Earth and its people, but rather a way to control people and reduce population.

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   15:09:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: RickyJ (#11)

If runaway greenhouse gasses were possible on Earth then it would have already occurred by now.

Really? That's not what physicists and various researchers who study the Earth's climate have to say on the subject. What evidence can you provide, that you, RickyJ, an anonymous poster on an Internet forum, are correct and they are wrong?

The Earth does not have a relatively static atmosphere like Venus has, its constant winds at the jet stream level ensure that most heat from Earth leaves through convection.

How do YOU know what the Venusian atmosphere was like prior to its oceans evaporating, or how it was millions of years ago? Are you a planetary scientist who has studied the data, or are you just giving us your uneducated opinion?

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   15:44:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: FormerLurker (#21)

Really? That's not what physicists and various researchers who study the Earth's climate have to say on the subject.

Actually that is exactly what the MAJORITY of them have to say about it.

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   15:53:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: RickyJ (#23)

Actually that is exactly what the MAJORITY of them have to say about it.

Prove it.

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   15:57:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FormerLurker (#25)

http://www.petitionproject.org/index.html

31,072 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,021 with PhDs

How many SCIENTISTS are on the government elite global warming scam side? Hint: Al Gore doesn't count.

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   16:21:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: RickyJ (#29)

31,072 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,021 with PhDs

Yeah, they've got the petition in one pocket and a submission for a gubmint grant in the other.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-04   16:32:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: iconoclast (#37)

Yeah, they've got the petition in one pocket and a submission for a gubmint grant in the other.

I think I'll have to agree with you on that...

Those who have signed such a petition are dismissing global warming out of hand, and I can't see how a neutral scientist can do that in regards to the subject, when those with the resources and backgrounds to study such things have said the opposite.

If anything, a neutral person would advise caution on the matter, even if they may not totally agree on the chance that we are in danger of major climate changes if the current trend is not stopped.

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   16:37:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: FormerLurker (#38) (Edited)

when those with the resources and backgrounds to study such things have said the opposite.

The resources? Yeah, those government checks! LOL! CO2 caused Global warming on Earth is not SCIENCE you nut, it is total BS.

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   16:50:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#48. To: RickyJ, iconoclast, All (#41)

The resources? Yeah, those government checks!

Speaking of governement checks, did you know that Frederick Seitz, the author of the petition you tried to pass off as legitimate, used to be a paid consultant for RJ Reynolds, and that he is known to be friends with those who side with the oil companies as well?

From Frederick Seitz

 
Classification: Tobacco Science Advisor

Frederick Seitz
"Not Sufficiently Rational"

Frederick Seitz and the Tobacco Industry

Seitz is the former principal scientific advisor to the RJ Reynolds medical research program.

A May, 2006 Vanity Fair article by Mark Hertsgaard outlines the central role Seitz in a $45 million "medical research" program in the 1970's and 80' for tobacco-giant RJ Reynolds:

'They didn't want us looking at the health effects of cigarette smoking,' says Seitz, who is now 94— but it nevertheless served the tobacco industry's purposes. Throughout those years, the industry frequently ran ads in newspapers and magazines citing its multi-million-dollar research program as proof of its commitment to science—and arguing that the evidence on the health effects of smoking was mixed."

Last year, DeSmogBlog uncovered a 1989 internal memo from tobacco company Philip Morris explaining that Seitz "is quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice."

To quote: "I spoke with Bill Hobbs [RJ Reynolds] about arranging an appointment for you with Dr. Fred Seitz, former head of Rockerfeller University and the principal scientific advisor to the RJ Reynolds medical research program. Bill told me that Dr. Seitz is quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice."

Seitz and Global Warming

Seitz is listed as the Chair of an organization called the Science and Environment Policy Project (SEPP) . The founder of SEPP is Fred Singer, a very well-known climate change denier. Singer is also well-known for his willingness to take money from the oil industry.

Seitz and the Oregon Petition

In 1998, an initiative called the "Oregon Petition" was organized by Fred Seitz and another individual named Art Robinson.

The Oregon Petition has been used by climate change deniers as proof that there is no scientific consensus, however they fail to note the controversy surrounding the petition itself. In April 1998, Robinson’s Oregon Institute, along with the Exxon- backed George C. Marshall Institute, co-published the infamous “Oregon Petition” claiming to have collected 17,000 signatories to a document arguing against the realities of global warming.

The petition and the documents included were all made to look like official papers from the prestigious National Academy of Science. They weren’t, and this attempt to mislead has been well- documented.

Along with the petition there was a cover letter from Seitz. Also attached to the petition was an apparent “research paper” titled: Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide. The paper was made to mimic what a research paper would look like in the National Academy’s prestigious Proceedings of the National Academy journal. The authors of the paper were Robinson, Sallie Baliunas, Willie Soon (both oil-backed scientists) and Robinson’s son Zachary.

The petition was so misleading that the National Academy issued a news release stating that:

"The petition project was a deliberate attempt to mislead scientists and to rally them in an attempt to undermine support for the Kyoto Protocol. The petition was not based on a review of the science of global climate change, nor were its signers experts in the field of climate science."

 

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04 17:27:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: RickyJ (#41)

Looks like you're a pro at posting false info there bud. I wonder why you would do that here on the 4um?

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04 17:29:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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