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Title: Australian Researchers Warn of Global Cooling
Source: Daily Tech (Aus)
URL Source: http://www.dailytech.com/Australian ... lobal+Cooling/article12250.htm
Published: Jul 4, 2008
Author: Michael Asher
Post Date: 2008-07-04 01:00:25 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Global, cooling, warming
Views: 787
Comments: 86

"Spin-orbit coupling" to blame; effects could last decades.

A new paper published by the Astronomical Society of Australia is warning of upcoming global cooling due to lessened solar activity. The study, written by three Australian researchers, has identified what is known as a "spin-orbit coupling" affecting the rotation rate of the sun. That rotation, in turn, is linked to the intensity of the solar cycle and climate changes here on Earth.

The study's lead author, Ian Wilson, explains further, "[The paper] supports the contention that the level of activity on the Sun will significantly diminish sometime in the next decade and remain low for about 20 - 30 years."

According to Wilson, the result is a strong, rapid pulse of global cooling, "On each occasion that the Sun has done this in the past the World’s mean temperature has dropped by ~ 1 - 2 C."

A 2 C drop would be twice as large as all the warming the earth has experienced since the start of the industrial era, and would be significant enough to impact global agriculture output.

Earlier this year, astronomers from around the world noted solar activity was suspiciously low; some began predicting global cooling at that time. Since then, activity has remained far below average, with it now being over two months since a single sunspot has appeared on the surface of the sun.

In May, a team of German climatologists published research stating that, due to "natural effects", global warming would halt for up to 15 years.

The new paper appears in the June issue of PASA, Publications of the Astronomical Society of Australia.

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#24. To: RickyJ (#15)

The high temperature in Springfield yesterday was only 69 degrees. This is the coldest high temperature on record for July 3. The old record of 70 degrees was set in 1892.

ANY legitimate scientist will agree that short term weather patterns do NOT reflect long term global trends. Then again you probably already knew that, right?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   15:56:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: RickyJ (#23)

Actually that is exactly what the MAJORITY of them have to say about it.

Prove it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   15:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: RickyJ (#22)

How do YOU know it ever had oceans?

That is what planetary scientists have been able to determine. Funny how you agree with those calling themselves scientists when it suits your agenda, but claim they don't know what they're talking about when the data disagrees with your position.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   15:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: RickyJ (#22)

are you just parroting the global warming scientists who are funded by the government and the elite?

It is YOU who parrots what Exxon scientists funded by the elite have to say.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   15:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: FormerLurker (#26)

That is what planetary scientists have been able to determine.

Wrong! That's the opinion of some of them. They have not determined it ever had oceans.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   16:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FormerLurker (#25)

http://www.petitionproject.org/index.html

31,072 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,021 with PhDs

How many SCIENTISTS are on the government elite global warming scam side? Hint: Al Gore doesn't count.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   16:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: RickyJ (#28)

Wrong! That's the opinion of some of them. They have not determined it ever had oceans.

No, YOU are wrong. It is the most widely accepted theory. We of course can not know for SURE what was there millions of years ago, we have to rely on geological features and other data to determine how the planet may have been back then.

Early Venus Had Oceans, May Have Been Habitable

Did Venus's ancient oceans incubate life?

How Venus Lost Its Oceans

Venus


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   16:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: FormerLurker (#30) (Edited)

No, YOU are wrong.

No you are wrong. I am threw with this nonsense from you. Learn what the word determined means and then get back to me.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   16:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: RickyJ (#29)

http://www.petitionproject.org/index.html

31,072 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,021 with PhDs

Well it's certainly a large list, but since there isn't any contact info for any of the individuals listed, for all I know they either made up the names or ran a webcrawler that found anyone with the Phd next to their name and inserted it into their list.

I'll see if I can actually verify if any of those people did in fact sign the list.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   16:28:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: RickyJ, Former Lurker (#22)

are you just parroting the global warming scientists who are funded by the government and the elite?

All the false fear, BS re global warming is being propagated by and for Pols and one-worlders.

It's manna from state sponsored leeches for them.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-04   16:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: RickyJ (#31)

I am threw with this nonsense from you. Learn what the word determined means and then get back to me.

Learn how to spell the word THROUGH and look up what it means prior to using it in a sentence. You might not look like such an ignorant ass next time.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   16:29:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: iconoclast (#33)

All the false fear, BS re global warming is being propagated by and for Pols and one-worlders.

It's manna from state sponsored leeches for them.

The oil companies are siding with the ANTI global warming people. What's that tell you?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   16:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: iconoclast (#33)

Do you or do you not agree that the article posted here is a pile of dog dung, and that it lies about the current solar activity in order to make people think we are in danger of experiencing global cooling?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   16:32:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: RickyJ (#29)

31,072 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,021 with PhDs

Yeah, they've got the petition in one pocket and a submission for a gubmint grant in the other.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-04   16:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: iconoclast (#37)

Yeah, they've got the petition in one pocket and a submission for a gubmint grant in the other.

I think I'll have to agree with you on that...

Those who have signed such a petition are dismissing global warming out of hand, and I can't see how a neutral scientist can do that in regards to the subject, when those with the resources and backgrounds to study such things have said the opposite.

If anything, a neutral person would advise caution on the matter, even if they may not totally agree on the chance that we are in danger of major climate changes if the current trend is not stopped.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   16:37:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: FormerLurker (#36)

dung?

Maybe, but, then again, maybe these Australians are the embodiment of that guy Diogenes was lookin' for.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-04   16:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: FormerLurker (#38)

I think I'll have to agree with you on that...

Sorry, but we don't agree .... I thought the petition in question was the one from the other team side of the issue.

I bad.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-04   16:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: FormerLurker (#38) (Edited)

when those with the resources and backgrounds to study such things have said the opposite.

The resources? Yeah, those government checks! LOL! CO2 caused Global warming on Earth is not SCIENCE you nut, it is total BS.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   16:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: iconoclast, RickyJ (#37)


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:00:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: (#42)


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:01:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: christine (#0)

I must have missed a tag in post 42. Tried to fix it in post 43 but it didn't work.

Can you please delete 42 and 43, I'll repost it after I fix the HTML.

Thanks.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: FormerLurker (#44)

done

christine  posted on  2008-07-04   17:13:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: christine (#45)

Thanks.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:15:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: iconoclast, RickyJ (#37) (Edited)

It appears that the author of the petition simply made up the listed names on his "petition" in many cases.

700 Club anchor touted global warming skeptics' petition reportedly signed by non-scientists, fictitious characters


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: RickyJ, iconoclast, All (#41)

The resources? Yeah, those government checks!

Speaking of governement checks, did you know that Frederick Seitz, the author of the petition you tried to pass off as legitimate, used to be a paid consultant for RJ Reynolds, and that he is known to be friends with those who side with the oil companies as well?

From Frederick Seitz

 
Classification: Tobacco Science Advisor

Frederick Seitz
"Not Sufficiently Rational"

Frederick Seitz and the Tobacco Industry

Seitz is the former principal scientific advisor to the RJ Reynolds medical research program.

A May, 2006 Vanity Fair article by Mark Hertsgaard outlines the central role Seitz in a $45 million "medical research" program in the 1970's and 80' for tobacco-giant RJ Reynolds:

'They didn't want us looking at the health effects of cigarette smoking,' says Seitz, who is now 94— but it nevertheless served the tobacco industry's purposes. Throughout those years, the industry frequently ran ads in newspapers and magazines citing its multi-million-dollar research program as proof of its commitment to science—and arguing that the evidence on the health effects of smoking was mixed."

Last year, DeSmogBlog uncovered a 1989 internal memo from tobacco company Philip Morris explaining that Seitz "is quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice."

To quote: "I spoke with Bill Hobbs [RJ Reynolds] about arranging an appointment for you with Dr. Fred Seitz, former head of Rockerfeller University and the principal scientific advisor to the RJ Reynolds medical research program. Bill told me that Dr. Seitz is quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice."

Seitz and Global Warming

Seitz is listed as the Chair of an organization called the Science and Environment Policy Project (SEPP) . The founder of SEPP is Fred Singer, a very well-known climate change denier. Singer is also well-known for his willingness to take money from the oil industry.

Seitz and the Oregon Petition

In 1998, an initiative called the "Oregon Petition" was organized by Fred Seitz and another individual named Art Robinson.

The Oregon Petition has been used by climate change deniers as proof that there is no scientific consensus, however they fail to note the controversy surrounding the petition itself. In April 1998, Robinson’s Oregon Institute, along with the Exxon- backed George C. Marshall Institute, co-published the infamous “Oregon Petition” claiming to have collected 17,000 signatories to a document arguing against the realities of global warming.

The petition and the documents included were all made to look like official papers from the prestigious National Academy of Science. They weren’t, and this attempt to mislead has been well- documented.

Along with the petition there was a cover letter from Seitz. Also attached to the petition was an apparent “research paper” titled: Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide. The paper was made to mimic what a research paper would look like in the National Academy’s prestigious Proceedings of the National Academy journal. The authors of the paper were Robinson, Sallie Baliunas, Willie Soon (both oil-backed scientists) and Robinson’s son Zachary.

The petition was so misleading that the National Academy issued a news release stating that:

"The petition project was a deliberate attempt to mislead scientists and to rally them in an attempt to undermine support for the Kyoto Protocol. The petition was not based on a review of the science of global climate change, nor were its signers experts in the field of climate science."

 


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:27:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: RickyJ (#41)

Looks like you're a pro at posting false info there bud. I wonder why you would do that here on the 4um?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: FormerLurker (#26)

Another major theory that contradicts the Venus had oceans theory is held by some planetary scientists.

Water in the Universe


The second major model is referred to as the "steady-state model." According to this theory, the ratio results from a balance between sources of water and fractionation losses, with the total abundance of water remaining constant over time. This theory basically states that Venus' total amount of water has remained constant through the ages and the source of the D/H ratio is terrestrial-like (likely volcanic).

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   17:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: FormerLurker (#20)

There have been MANY more than just one sunspot this year, unlike what you were trying to say on another thread.

I said no such thing.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-04   17:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: RickyJ (#50)

Nice try pal, but you apparently overlooked the MAJORITY of what your link refered to...

From your link;

Measurements made by the Pioneer Venus Orbiter during the latter stages of its fourteen-year exploration of Venus (which ended in late 1992) suggest that the planet very well could have been relatively wet in the distant past. This spacecraft found that the ratio of deuterium (hydrogen with an added neutron) to plain hydrogen is some 150 times greater than on Earth. This excess is likely due to the escape of the lighter isotope (plain hydrogen) over the ages. If this is the case, then Venus may have had 150 times as much water as it does today.

Current models assume that Venus initially had an Earth-like deuterium to hydrogen ratio (D/H) which has risen due to atmospheric evolution. With the results of these D/H tests in hand, two predominant theories exist as to the reasoning for this alarming ratio. The first is the "primordial-ocean model", which interprets the high D/H ratio as the result of the fractionation loss from a large initial ocean-like body of water. This theory argues that Venus once had reservoirs of water (or even oceans), but lost it as the water vapor in its upper atmosphere was broken into its components, and the lighter hydrogen escaped into the solar system. Supporters of this model believe that Venus started off wet because it could not avoid receiving some of the same volatile-rich material that formed on Earth (because of its similar size and proximity). The abundance of deuterium in comparison with hydrogen represents the notion of this theory's followers that the water's ordinary hydrogen escaped, while the much heavier form of hydrogen (deuterium) stayed behind because of its weight. Supporters of this theory are enthusiastic about the possibility that Venus once had large quantities of water.

The second major model is referred to as the "steady-state model." According to this theory, the ratio results from a balance between sources of water and fractionation losses, with the total abundance of water remaining constant over time. This theory basically states that Venus' total amount of water has remained constant through the ages and the source of the D/H ratio is terrestrial-like (likely volcanic).

If Venus did in fact have oceans at some point in time, then the implications of this could be remarkable. Although these oceans would have likely existed at near boiling temperatures for much of the time, the possibility still exists that life could have arisen in these bodies of water.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: FormerLurker (#47)

You can believe the government Jew sponsored lies about CO2 causing global warming on Earth if you want to, but you can't do so based on science.

You have demonstrated that you are a irrational nut, devoid of even simple logic and common sense.

If runaway greenhouse gasses were possible one Earth then it would have already occurred. Only a moron can't see that.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   17:42:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: FormerLurker (#35)

The oil companies are siding with the ANTI global warming people. What's that tell you?

About the same thing that James Hansen's lifetime career as a gubmint bureaucrat tells me.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-04   17:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: farmfriend (#51)

I said no such thing.

You implied it by posting material that simply confused the subject when I attempted to show that there were a good number of sunspots thus far this year, and you kept hopping on the fact that there had only been one in January for this solar cycle, where it must have taken about a hundred posts for you to concede that there were MANY more than that one from the PREVIOUS solar cycle, which were STILL occuring.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:44:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: iconoclast (#54)

About the same thing that James Hansen's lifetime career as a gubmint bureaucrat tells me.

Do you also disbelieve the EPA scientists that were trying to warn the public about the dangers of water fluoridation, or the FDA scientists that determined that Aspartame is toxic and unfit for human consumption?

Would you rather believe a petition that has been shown to be fraudulent?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: RickyJ (#53)

You can believe the government Jew sponsored lies about CO2

There you go again blaming the Jews for everything that's wrong with society.

I bet you listen to Hagee and drool like a retard when you watch him on your television, don't you...

You obviously swallow the shit that's been proven to be fraudulent, such as that "petition" you linked to earlier.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: FormerLurker (#55)

You implied it

No I didn't. There was only one in Jan for cycle 24 and you have a weird way of twisting what happened. I never conceded anything. The posts are there for anyone to verify what was said and done. Now if you are done with your personal attacks, I'll be moving on.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-04   17:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: farmfriend (#58)

The posts are there for anyone to verify what was said and done. Now if you are done with your personal attacks, I'll be moving on.

"A" for effort. And you work cheap! ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-04   17:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: farmfriend (#58)

Oh boo hoo, I stated a fact you didn't like and now you're going to cry. Nice act, farmgirl...

As far as what you DID concede to, you DID admit that there were more than just one damn sunspot in January, as you CAN NOT DENY the number listed by NOAA.

Yes, you DID state that it was a cycle 24 sunspot, but did not admit that cycle 23 sunspots were STILL occuring for quite some time. IN fact, you tried to say the monthly averages were the actual total number of sunspots for that month at one point.

And yes, ANYONE can go back to that thread and see exactly what was said.

Keep it up, and I'll link and post your very words from that thread. I DO have better things to do with my 4th of July, but I will get around to it if I need to.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:53:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: FormerLurker, Rotara (#60)

I DO have better things to do with my 4th of July,

I spent my morning walking a parade route passing out JBS literature on the NAU.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-04   18:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: FormerLurker (#20)

You're quite good at posting meaningless gobblygook in an attempt to confuse the subject.

There's another one as well.

angle  posted on  2008-07-04   19:07:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: farmfriend (#61)

I spent my morning walking a parade route passing out JBS literature on the NAU

You're a damn fine woman! ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-04   19:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: FormerLurker (#47)

700 Club experts? I think I'll go with science and common sense.

angle  posted on  2008-07-04   19:11:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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