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Title: Australian Researchers Warn of Global Cooling
Source: Daily Tech (Aus)
URL Source: http://www.dailytech.com/Australian ... lobal+Cooling/article12250.htm
Published: Jul 4, 2008
Author: Michael Asher
Post Date: 2008-07-04 01:00:25 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Global, cooling, warming
Views: 828
Comments: 86

"Spin-orbit coupling" to blame; effects could last decades.

A new paper published by the Astronomical Society of Australia is warning of upcoming global cooling due to lessened solar activity. The study, written by three Australian researchers, has identified what is known as a "spin-orbit coupling" affecting the rotation rate of the sun. That rotation, in turn, is linked to the intensity of the solar cycle and climate changes here on Earth.

The study's lead author, Ian Wilson, explains further, "[The paper] supports the contention that the level of activity on the Sun will significantly diminish sometime in the next decade and remain low for about 20 - 30 years."

According to Wilson, the result is a strong, rapid pulse of global cooling, "On each occasion that the Sun has done this in the past the World’s mean temperature has dropped by ~ 1 - 2 C."

A 2 C drop would be twice as large as all the warming the earth has experienced since the start of the industrial era, and would be significant enough to impact global agriculture output.

Earlier this year, astronomers from around the world noted solar activity was suspiciously low; some began predicting global cooling at that time. Since then, activity has remained far below average, with it now being over two months since a single sunspot has appeared on the surface of the sun.

In May, a team of German climatologists published research stating that, due to "natural effects", global warming would halt for up to 15 years.

The new paper appears in the June issue of PASA, Publications of the Astronomical Society of Australia.

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#47. To: iconoclast, RickyJ (#37) (Edited)

It appears that the author of the petition simply made up the listed names on his "petition" in many cases.

700 Club anchor touted global warming skeptics' petition reportedly signed by non-scientists, fictitious characters


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: RickyJ, iconoclast, All (#41)

The resources? Yeah, those government checks!

Speaking of governement checks, did you know that Frederick Seitz, the author of the petition you tried to pass off as legitimate, used to be a paid consultant for RJ Reynolds, and that he is known to be friends with those who side with the oil companies as well?

From Frederick Seitz

 
Classification: Tobacco Science Advisor

Frederick Seitz
"Not Sufficiently Rational"

Frederick Seitz and the Tobacco Industry

Seitz is the former principal scientific advisor to the RJ Reynolds medical research program.

A May, 2006 Vanity Fair article by Mark Hertsgaard outlines the central role Seitz in a $45 million "medical research" program in the 1970's and 80' for tobacco-giant RJ Reynolds:

'They didn't want us looking at the health effects of cigarette smoking,' says Seitz, who is now 94— but it nevertheless served the tobacco industry's purposes. Throughout those years, the industry frequently ran ads in newspapers and magazines citing its multi-million-dollar research program as proof of its commitment to science—and arguing that the evidence on the health effects of smoking was mixed."

Last year, DeSmogBlog uncovered a 1989 internal memo from tobacco company Philip Morris explaining that Seitz "is quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice."

To quote: "I spoke with Bill Hobbs [RJ Reynolds] about arranging an appointment for you with Dr. Fred Seitz, former head of Rockerfeller University and the principal scientific advisor to the RJ Reynolds medical research program. Bill told me that Dr. Seitz is quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice."

Seitz and Global Warming

Seitz is listed as the Chair of an organization called the Science and Environment Policy Project (SEPP) . The founder of SEPP is Fred Singer, a very well-known climate change denier. Singer is also well-known for his willingness to take money from the oil industry.

Seitz and the Oregon Petition

In 1998, an initiative called the "Oregon Petition" was organized by Fred Seitz and another individual named Art Robinson.

The Oregon Petition has been used by climate change deniers as proof that there is no scientific consensus, however they fail to note the controversy surrounding the petition itself. In April 1998, Robinson’s Oregon Institute, along with the Exxon- backed George C. Marshall Institute, co-published the infamous “Oregon Petition” claiming to have collected 17,000 signatories to a document arguing against the realities of global warming.

The petition and the documents included were all made to look like official papers from the prestigious National Academy of Science. They weren’t, and this attempt to mislead has been well- documented.

Along with the petition there was a cover letter from Seitz. Also attached to the petition was an apparent “research paper” titled: Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide. The paper was made to mimic what a research paper would look like in the National Academy’s prestigious Proceedings of the National Academy journal. The authors of the paper were Robinson, Sallie Baliunas, Willie Soon (both oil-backed scientists) and Robinson’s son Zachary.

The petition was so misleading that the National Academy issued a news release stating that:

"The petition project was a deliberate attempt to mislead scientists and to rally them in an attempt to undermine support for the Kyoto Protocol. The petition was not based on a review of the science of global climate change, nor were its signers experts in the field of climate science."

 


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:27:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: RickyJ (#41)

Looks like you're a pro at posting false info there bud. I wonder why you would do that here on the 4um?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: FormerLurker (#26)

Another major theory that contradicts the Venus had oceans theory is held by some planetary scientists.

Water in the Universe


The second major model is referred to as the "steady-state model." According to this theory, the ratio results from a balance between sources of water and fractionation losses, with the total abundance of water remaining constant over time. This theory basically states that Venus' total amount of water has remained constant through the ages and the source of the D/H ratio is terrestrial-like (likely volcanic).

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   17:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: FormerLurker (#20)

There have been MANY more than just one sunspot this year, unlike what you were trying to say on another thread.

I said no such thing.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-04   17:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: RickyJ (#50)

Nice try pal, but you apparently overlooked the MAJORITY of what your link refered to...

From your link;

Measurements made by the Pioneer Venus Orbiter during the latter stages of its fourteen-year exploration of Venus (which ended in late 1992) suggest that the planet very well could have been relatively wet in the distant past. This spacecraft found that the ratio of deuterium (hydrogen with an added neutron) to plain hydrogen is some 150 times greater than on Earth. This excess is likely due to the escape of the lighter isotope (plain hydrogen) over the ages. If this is the case, then Venus may have had 150 times as much water as it does today.

Current models assume that Venus initially had an Earth-like deuterium to hydrogen ratio (D/H) which has risen due to atmospheric evolution. With the results of these D/H tests in hand, two predominant theories exist as to the reasoning for this alarming ratio. The first is the "primordial-ocean model", which interprets the high D/H ratio as the result of the fractionation loss from a large initial ocean-like body of water. This theory argues that Venus once had reservoirs of water (or even oceans), but lost it as the water vapor in its upper atmosphere was broken into its components, and the lighter hydrogen escaped into the solar system. Supporters of this model believe that Venus started off wet because it could not avoid receiving some of the same volatile-rich material that formed on Earth (because of its similar size and proximity). The abundance of deuterium in comparison with hydrogen represents the notion of this theory's followers that the water's ordinary hydrogen escaped, while the much heavier form of hydrogen (deuterium) stayed behind because of its weight. Supporters of this theory are enthusiastic about the possibility that Venus once had large quantities of water.

The second major model is referred to as the "steady-state model." According to this theory, the ratio results from a balance between sources of water and fractionation losses, with the total abundance of water remaining constant over time. This theory basically states that Venus' total amount of water has remained constant through the ages and the source of the D/H ratio is terrestrial-like (likely volcanic).

If Venus did in fact have oceans at some point in time, then the implications of this could be remarkable. Although these oceans would have likely existed at near boiling temperatures for much of the time, the possibility still exists that life could have arisen in these bodies of water.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: FormerLurker (#47)

You can believe the government Jew sponsored lies about CO2 causing global warming on Earth if you want to, but you can't do so based on science.

You have demonstrated that you are a irrational nut, devoid of even simple logic and common sense.

If runaway greenhouse gasses were possible one Earth then it would have already occurred. Only a moron can't see that.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-04   17:42:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: FormerLurker (#35)

The oil companies are siding with the ANTI global warming people. What's that tell you?

About the same thing that James Hansen's lifetime career as a gubmint bureaucrat tells me.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-04   17:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: farmfriend (#51)

I said no such thing.

You implied it by posting material that simply confused the subject when I attempted to show that there were a good number of sunspots thus far this year, and you kept hopping on the fact that there had only been one in January for this solar cycle, where it must have taken about a hundred posts for you to concede that there were MANY more than that one from the PREVIOUS solar cycle, which were STILL occuring.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:44:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: iconoclast (#54)

About the same thing that James Hansen's lifetime career as a gubmint bureaucrat tells me.

Do you also disbelieve the EPA scientists that were trying to warn the public about the dangers of water fluoridation, or the FDA scientists that determined that Aspartame is toxic and unfit for human consumption?

Would you rather believe a petition that has been shown to be fraudulent?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: RickyJ (#53)

You can believe the government Jew sponsored lies about CO2

There you go again blaming the Jews for everything that's wrong with society.

I bet you listen to Hagee and drool like a retard when you watch him on your television, don't you...

You obviously swallow the shit that's been proven to be fraudulent, such as that "petition" you linked to earlier.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: FormerLurker (#55)

You implied it

No I didn't. There was only one in Jan for cycle 24 and you have a weird way of twisting what happened. I never conceded anything. The posts are there for anyone to verify what was said and done. Now if you are done with your personal attacks, I'll be moving on.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-04   17:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: farmfriend (#58)

The posts are there for anyone to verify what was said and done. Now if you are done with your personal attacks, I'll be moving on.

"A" for effort. And you work cheap! ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-04   17:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: farmfriend (#58)

Oh boo hoo, I stated a fact you didn't like and now you're going to cry. Nice act, farmgirl...

As far as what you DID concede to, you DID admit that there were more than just one damn sunspot in January, as you CAN NOT DENY the number listed by NOAA.

Yes, you DID state that it was a cycle 24 sunspot, but did not admit that cycle 23 sunspots were STILL occuring for quite some time. IN fact, you tried to say the monthly averages were the actual total number of sunspots for that month at one point.

And yes, ANYONE can go back to that thread and see exactly what was said.

Keep it up, and I'll link and post your very words from that thread. I DO have better things to do with my 4th of July, but I will get around to it if I need to.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-04   17:53:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: FormerLurker, Rotara (#60)

I DO have better things to do with my 4th of July,

I spent my morning walking a parade route passing out JBS literature on the NAU.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-04   18:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: FormerLurker (#20)

You're quite good at posting meaningless gobblygook in an attempt to confuse the subject.

There's another one as well.

angle  posted on  2008-07-04   19:07:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: farmfriend (#61)

I spent my morning walking a parade route passing out JBS literature on the NAU

You're a damn fine woman! ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-04   19:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: FormerLurker (#47)

700 Club experts? I think I'll go with science and common sense.

angle  posted on  2008-07-04   19:11:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: RickyJ (#53)

Only a moron can't see that.

Your debating technique needs work.

angle  posted on  2008-07-04   19:13:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Rotara (#63)

You're a damn fine woman! ;-)

Thank you my dear.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-04   19:27:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: farmfriend (#16)

From cycle 24 there are three tiny signatures: one in January (1 day), one in April (2 days) and one in May (2 days).

And it is questionable whether spots like these would have even been detectable in the past.

She's got stars in her eyes & knots on her knees now
Her crazy grass shift really sways in the breeze now

Tauzero  posted on  2008-07-05   0:57:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Original_Intent (#0)

with it now being over two months since a single sunspot has appeared on the surface of the sun.

Not true.. but...

She's got stars in her eyes & knots on her knees now
Her crazy grass shift really sways in the breeze now

Tauzero  posted on  2008-07-05   1:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: FormerLurker (#20)

There have been MANY more than just one sunspot this year

How many?

She's got stars in her eyes & knots on her knees now
Her crazy grass shift really sways in the breeze now

Tauzero  posted on  2008-07-05   1:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: angle (#65) (Edited)

Your debating technique needs work.

I suppose you can't see that then.

According to the global warming "scientists" runaway greenhouse gasses are suppose to occur when the Earth gets warmer. Their argument goes something like this. The Earth gets warmer thus more water vapor is released into the atmosphere which then causes the Earth to get still warmer which then causes yet more water vapor to be released and the Earth gets even warmer. If runaway greenhouse gasses were possible then we would have already fried by now. You can see that right? You do also understand that the Earth loses the majority of its heat through convection, right? Comparing Venus to Earth and saying, becasue we think this happened on Venus it could happen on Earth, is not good science since Venus has very little winds compared to Earth. Not good science at all.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-05   1:17:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Tauzero (#69) (Edited)

With sunspots I think it matters a lot more just how big they are and how long they last than how many there were for any month or year.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-05   1:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Tauzero (#67)

And it is questionable whether spots like these would have even been detectable in the past.

They more than likely weren't detectable in the 1800s.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-05   1:43:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Original_Intent (#0)

July in Ohio...and today the high temp was a sweltering 70 degrees. Just one degree shy of the all time recorded low temp record for this day. Fuck you, Al Gore, and all the "global warming" I had to shovel out of my driveway during this past winter.

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5

orangedog  posted on  2008-07-05   1:51:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Tauzero (#67)

And it is questionable whether spots like these would have even been detectable in the past.

This is true. SOHO make detection much easier.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-05   3:35:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: orangedog (#73)

July in Ohio...and today the high temp was a sweltering 70 degrees.

Yep, my AC's off and my doors and windows are open.

With Bush in the White House and Gore leading the crusade du jour, clearly the alarming message is the disappearance of commonsense in America, not the disappearance of Polar Bears.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-05   8:39:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Tauzero (#69)

How many?

Do you see the table in post 20?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-05   16:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: orangedog (#73)

July in Ohio...and today the high temp was a sweltering 70 degrees. Just one degree shy of the all time recorded low temp record for this day. Fuck you, Al Gore, and all the "global warming" I had to shovel out of my driveway during this past winter.

One year of cooler temperatures in one part of the world does not make for a long term global trend.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-05   16:14:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: RickyJ (#72)

They more than likely weren't detectable in the 1800s.

Obviously you don't read too well, or even understand what the following graphs mean.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-05   16:17:44 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: RickyJ (#71)

With sunspots I think it matters a lot more just how big they are and how long they last than how many there were for any month or year.

Uh huh, you're a real solar expert now, right? Too bad you don't know the first thing about what you're talking about.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-05   16:17:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Original_Intent, *Agriculture-Environment* (#1)

Globally, the Earth is a bit warmer than last month with the anomalies for June 2008: Global -0.317 C, NH +0.004 C, and SH -0.232 C. 2007 figures were 0.203 C, 0.375 C and 0.03 C repectively. The CO2 concentration [Mauna Loa] has gone down from 388.49 ppmv in May 2008 to 388.0 ppmv in June 2008. Comapared with June 2007 [385.98 ppmv] the CO2 concentration has risen to 388.0 ppmv, an increase of 2 ppmv over the year.

It was expected in certain circles that CO2 totals would start to drop as cooling set in.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-05   22:56:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: FormerLurker (#79)

Uh huh, you're a real solar expert now, right?

Yes, much more than a irrational person like you.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-05   23:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: FormerLurker (#78)

Obviously you are a moron, I was talking about better detection of sun spots now vs. then, DUH!

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-05   23:28:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: RickyJ (#81)

Yes, much more than a irrational person like you.

Right. I'm irrational because I post facts and valid information, whereas you post discredited bullshit such as a fraudulent petition that has been shown to contain people that don't exist.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-05   23:43:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: RickyJ (#82)

Obviously you are a moron, I was talking about better detection of sun spots now vs. then, DUH!

They apparently were able to count them pretty well all the way back to the year 1760. If the methodology would have affected the actual numbers, then the numbers should have skyrocketed when SOHO began observing the Sun.

As you can see from the graphs, that did not happen.

Of course, any sort of logical reasoning is beyond your understanding, so I don't expect you to "get it".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-05   23:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Sam Houston (#6)

Whatever will be will be. As of now man cannot control the weather.

DWornock  posted on  2008-07-06   4:18:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: FormerLurker (#84)

Hey, are you going to the Revolution March Saturday?

Or are you too scared you will pollute the atmosphere by going?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-07-09   2:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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